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Title: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: bbcoach on March 29, 2018, 08:04:06 AM
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,3417.0.html   As the weather starts to warm and seasons start everywhere, I wanted to bring this to everyone's attention.  Lyme disease isn't something to turn your nose up to.  So grab some, via mix your own or Sawyers, and spray down ALL your clothing.  GREAT insurance to prevent Lyme disease.  GOOD HUNTING to ALL. 
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Gobspur on March 29, 2018, 08:09:22 AM
Yep, just treated every piece of clothing I'll be wearing this spring/summer in the woods.  Covered my whole patio with multiple shirts, pants, socks, hats, etc.  I mix my own in a 1 gallon sprayer, like for roundup.  Started doing this 5 years ago and have not seen a tick since!
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Double B on March 29, 2018, 08:21:48 AM
Great reminder.  Got my juice out and ready to apply, now just need some good weather!
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Cut N Run on March 29, 2018, 08:22:18 AM
Treating my hunting clothes is on my list of things to do today, especially since we got a warm, dry, breezy day and Winter has finally left us.  Maybe fishing tomorrow! I love this time of year.

Jim
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: mightyjoeyoung on March 29, 2018, 08:33:10 AM
Having had lyme that literally put me in the hospital and on my back for over a month,  I can tell you treating your hunting clothing,  boots, and accessories that can be treated is the absolute best thing you can do.  I treat mine every 2 weeks whether they need it or not now.  I use the livestock concentrate from tractor supply and mix it from 10% to 0.5% in a half gallon pump sprayer.  Soak everything down, including inside waist bands, cuffs and collars and let dry.  I do at least 2 sets and after they're dry I keep them bagged.  The odor goes almost completely away in a few days.  Also, don't be afraid of permethrine.   Its only dangerous to felines (AND bugs) and even when damp and it gets on your skin and is absorbed,  it passes harmlessly through your urine within a day or so.  It can irritate your skin so if it does, don't use it.  Be wary of concentrates that contain petroleum distillates as they actually can be toxic and can damage your plastic gear, stocks and paint.  I ALWAYS treat my clothes and have done so for yesrs.  The year I got lyme was very wet and I missed retreating my clothes and hunted in the rain, soaking my camo multiple times.  I ended up with and spot on the middle of my back that resembled a back pimple, but itched like crazy and didn't go away for about a month.  I had no classic "bullseye".  When it finally manifested,  I had every classic symptom from all over body pain to urinary symptoms.   I was treated with STRONG antibiotics for a solid month successfully,  but even 2 years later, I have random joint pain and swelling in my elbows knees and wrists and my his will hurt like they have railroad spikes in them.  Take this stuff seriously guys.  Those little bastards can ruin you.  Be proactive...
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: zelmo1 on March 29, 2018, 09:41:22 AM
Gamehide makes " Elimitick" clothing that is good for 75 washes( so they say) that works well also. I sprung for 3 sets for my girls and I. Better safe than sorry. Be safe, Al Baker
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: pabossie255 on March 29, 2018, 10:06:39 AM
Yeah just dont stand into the wind when spraying it or you will end up breathing it in be carful on that end. And I know most are smart enough not to do it but winds change directions I try to wait till a calm day to spray.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Gobspur on March 29, 2018, 10:17:41 AM
And if it helps anybody out, here is the amazon link to the concentrate for making your own.  This one doesn't have any of the petroleum distillates in it:  https://www.amazon.com/Martins-Permethrin-10-32oz-Quart/dp/B00061MSS0/ref=sr_1_7?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1522331377&sr=1-7&keywords=permethrin&th=1

Instructions for diluting are in the previous thread linked above by OP.  Basically you mix 1 part 10% concentrate to 19 parts water (6.7 oz per gallon of water) to get 0.5% solution, which is what Sawyers is.  It's ALOT cheaper to mix your own.  Example: 12 oz of the Sawyers is roughly $10.  For $10 I can make 320 oz.  That's about 83 cents an ounce vs .03 cents per ounce.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: tha bugman on March 29, 2018, 11:09:43 AM
yep been pulling them off of us since first of season
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: bbcoach on March 29, 2018, 12:16:26 PM
10% permethrin can be obtained via E-bay, Farm and Seed stores, Agri-supply, some pet stores and as stated Amazon carry it.  Very cheap insurance IMO.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: KentuckyHeadhunter on March 29, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
I overuse it if possible.  The chiggers in south GA seem to really adore me.  We have a tick, the lone star tick, that can give you a disease that makes you allergic to red meat for the rest of your life.  Meanwhile I always end up sitting in a pile of ants and they don't make spray for that.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: SteelerFan on March 29, 2018, 07:02:34 PM
Quote from: Gobspur on March 29, 2018, 08:09:22 AM
Yep, just treated every piece of clothing I'll be wearing this spring/summer in the woods.  Covered my whole patio with multiple shirts, pants, socks, hats, etc.  I mix my own in a 1 gallon sprayer, like for roundup.  Started doing this 5 years ago and have not seen a tick since!

Love that idea! I'll be heading to the store to pick up a dedicated gallon tick sprayer.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: nyhunter on March 30, 2018, 05:52:31 AM
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on March 29, 2018, 08:33:10 AM
Having had lyme that literally put me in the hospital and on my back for over a month,  I can tell you treating your hunting clothing,  boots, and accessories that can be treated is the absolute best thing you can do.  I treat mine every 2 weeks whether they need it or not now.  I use the livestock concentrate from tractor supply and mix it from 10% to 0.5% in a half gallon pump sprayer.  Soak everything down, including inside waist bands, cuffs and collars and let dry.  I do at least 2 sets and after they're dry I keep them bagged.  The odor goes almost completely away in a few days.  Also, don't be afraid of permethrine.   Its only dangerous to felines (AND bugs) and even when damp and it gets on your skin and is absorbed,  it passes harmlessly through your urine within a day or so.  It can irritate your skin so if it does, don't use it.  Be wary of concentrates that contain petroleum distillates as they actually can be toxic and can damage your plastic gear, stocks and paint.  I ALWAYS treat my clothes and have done so for yesrs.  The year I got lyme was very wet and I missed retreating my clothes and hunted in the rain, soaking my camo multiple times.  I ended up with and spot on the middle of my back that resembled a back pimple, but itched like crazy and didn't go away for about a month.  I had no classic "bullseye".  When it finally manifested,  I had every classic symptom from all over body pain to urinary symptoms.   I was treated with STRONG antibiotics for a solid month successfully,  but even 2 years later, I have random joint pain and swelling in my elbows knees and wrists and my his will hurt like they have railroad spikes in them.  Take this stuff seriously guys.  Those little bastards can ruin you.  Be proactive...


What is the Name, Band, container look like etc etc... from Tractor Supply that you use??? I been mixing my own for a couple years but i have so much camo I almost need a 50 gallon drum of it ;D

Thank you,
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: bbcoach on March 30, 2018, 07:26:46 AM
Here's a link to Tractor Supply  https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/control-solutions-permethrin-10-1-pt?cm_vc=-10005    Martin's is the brand that I use as well.  It can be obtained, as I stated, from E-bay, local farm and seed stores, some pet stores (dog flea and tick dip) and Amazon.  If you use it in a spray bottle a pint will make 16 20 oz bottles.  A quart will go a long way, so share it with a buddy.  DO NOT GET IT AROUND YOUR CATS, it will kill them.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: mightyjoeyoung on March 30, 2018, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: bbcoach on March 30, 2018, 07:26:46 AM
Here's a link to Tractor Supply  https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/control-solutions-permethrin-10-1-pt?cm_vc=-10005    Martin's is the brand that I use as well.  It can be obtained, as I stated, from E-bay, local farm and seed stores, some pet stores (dog flea and tick dip) and Amazon.  If you use it in a spray bottle a pint will make 16 20 oz bottles.  A quart will go a long way, so share it with a buddy.  DO NOT GET IT AROUND YOUR CATS, it will kill them.
That's the stuff nyhunter.   Makes A LOT.   Enough to treat your clothes and still have enough to spray around the house or camp.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: chasinbirds on March 31, 2018, 03:42:14 PM
Just sprayed all my clothes and gear today. Thanks for the tip using a larger sprayer.  I've been mixing batches in a 24 oz Sawyer spray bottle I bought years ago, and refilling gets a bit tedious.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: sasquatch1 on April 01, 2018, 07:38:12 AM
i just make a 3 gal batch in a bucket and soak my clothes in it, then hang dry, then wash on one short cycle afterwards for any residue. works great.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: captpete on April 01, 2018, 09:11:30 AM
I roll up my clothes and put them in a big(2-3gal.) ziplock bag. I mix up the Martin's concetrate that was mentioned above. I get it on Amazon...a quart costs roughly $23 and lasts me 2-3 yrs. I pour the mix into the bag....it takes about a quart of the mix to saturate a T-shirt, pants and sweatshirt. I let it set and soak for a couple of hours, then hang it out to dry. It doesn't seem to be as messy to me doing it this way.

Like it has mention...Permethrin is EXTREMELY toxic to cats.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: mightyjoeyoung on April 01, 2018, 10:29:18 AM
Quote from: sasquatch1 on April 01, 2018, 07:38:12 AM
i just make a 3 gal batch in a bucket and soak my clothes in it, then hang dry, then wash on one short cycle afterwards for any residue. works great.

Im a nurse and have applied the MUCH stronger concentrated creams to patients for differnt conditions and the residue is completely harmless unless you're allergic to permethrine and you're honestly diminishing the effectiveness of the treatment washing it immediately after.  When not washed or soaked, it SHOULD last about 28 days. That is greatly reduced when you wash your clothes. 
Title: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: sasquatch1 on April 01, 2018, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on April 01, 2018, 10:29:18 AM
Quote from: sasquatch1 on April 01, 2018, 07:38:12 AM
i just make a 3 gal batch in a bucket and soak my clothes in it, then hang dry, then wash on one short cycle afterwards for any residue. works great.

Im a nurse and have applied the MUCH stronger concentrated creams to patients for differnt conditions and the residue is completely harmless unless you're allergic to permethrine and you're honestly diminishing the effectiveness of the treatment washing it immediately after.  When not washed or soaked, it SHOULD last about 28 days. That is greatly reduced when you wash your clothes.


Oh I dnt doubt it weakens it. But I've still hunted in some tick infested areas, that Ik from going pre permathrin trips. And I've watched them literally crawl on my pants legs and fall off dead in a second! Not one tick on me in 5 yrs since doing this method, last my whole season even with washing. I also don't like the way clothes feel when they just hang dry, kinda stiff.


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Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: fallhnt on April 01, 2018, 03:38:00 PM
Just sprayed my boots and cloths. Ready to roll.

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Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: bbcoach on April 05, 2018, 08:07:49 AM
Just wanted to bring this BTT one time.  Ticks aren't anything to scoff at.  Every year, many people get the diseases associated with ticks.  Don't be one of those people that says it won't happen to me.  Several people that frequent this site will tell you Otherwise.  An ounce of Prevention is worth a ton of Cure.  Good Hunting to All.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Cut N Run on April 05, 2018, 08:59:50 AM
http://tic-nc.org/ <-----This is a good source of information about Tick-borne diseases and infections in the southeastern part of the country. The state of North Carolina publishes and maintains this site to increase awareness of what those little pests can do to people.  It can assist in identifying different species of ticks and the diseases they may carry.  I hope this helps.

Permethrin is definitely your friend.

Jim
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: taylorjones20 on April 05, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
Just soaked all of my gear in permethrin last night.  Stuff has really worked the past few years for me!
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: POk3s on April 05, 2018, 11:28:34 AM
Had one try and bury into me last weekend in Nebraska. Even though it was cold the ticks were still out I saw 5 and have never treated anything with permethrin. Never even heard of it until joining this site. Going to be nice being stress free!
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: stinkpickle on April 05, 2018, 12:02:48 PM
Good reminder!  I need to pick up another bottle of Sawyers next week.  I used to mix my own and soak, but a 24oz spray bottle of Sawyers seems to cover everything I use anyway.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: chadly on April 05, 2018, 01:13:28 PM
I've never heard of it until now.  I just ordered a bottle.  I'm curious for those of you that have cats how you handle that.  I do have a cat.  When I come home after wearing the clothes do I need to shower before coming in contact with the cat?  Just make sure the cat does not come near the clothes?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: MickT on April 05, 2018, 05:31:38 PM
Quote from: chadly on April 05, 2018, 01:13:28 PM
I've never heard of it until now.  I just ordered a bottle.  I'm curious for those of you that have cats how you handle that.  I do have a cat.  When I come home after wearing the clothes do I need to shower before coming in contact with the cat?  Just make sure the cat does not come near the clothes?  Thanks.

I keep mine off the clothes until it's dry then put them in the tub. I don't worry about it otherwise.


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Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: captpete on April 05, 2018, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: chadly on April 05, 2018, 01:13:28 PM
I've never heard of it until now.  I just ordered a bottle.  I'm curious for those of you that have cats how you handle that.  I do have a cat.  When I come home after wearing the clothes do I need to shower before coming in contact with the cat?  Just make sure the cat does not come near the clothes?  Thanks.

We have 2 cats. I make sure that the clothes are dry after I treat them before they get brought into the house. I change my clothes and shower pretty soon after I get home from hunting. The shower is basically for a tic check. This stuff works very well, but does NOT work 100%. I have seen my cats laying on my clothes after I change them and they have not had any effects from it....YET. I always try to put my clothes in a tub so the cats can't get to them. From what I have read, most cats get poisioned from tic and flea treatments that are for dogs. Those treatments are usually 45-65% concentrations. We are using a much lower concertration, but you still need to very careful with it...especially when it is wet.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: RichieD on April 09, 2018, 10:42:06 AM
Don't hunt without treating everything.   Heading to Kentucky for opening day this Friday.  Spayed down and dried my stuff yesterday.  All set!  Last year guys were coming back loaded with ticks after hunting.... i believe i saw one tick crawling on me not attached all 3 days with the Permethrin.   
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Quackwacker NC on April 11, 2018, 11:48:12 AM
So I guess your not supposed to use the one with petroleum in it?
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: stinkpickle on April 11, 2018, 12:19:56 PM
Quote from: Quackwacker NC on April 11, 2018, 11:48:12 AM
So I guess your not supposed to use the one with petroleum in it?

You can...BUT the smell never comes out of your clothes.  Don't ask me how I know.   :(
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: crow on April 14, 2018, 09:04:26 AM
bump to the top
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: ddturkeyhunter on April 14, 2018, 11:27:31 AM
Quote from: bbcoach on March 30, 2018, 07:26:46 AM
Here's a link to Tractor Supply  https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/control-solutions-permethrin-10-1-pt?cm_vc=-10005    Martin's is the brand that I use as well.  It can be obtained, as I stated, from E-bay, local farm and seed stores, some pet stores (dog flea and tick dip) and Amazon.  If you use it in a spray bottle a pint will make 16 20 oz bottles.  A quart will go a long way, so share it with a buddy.  DO NOT GET IT AROUND YOUR CATS, it will kill them.

Thanks for the Idea, my neighbor has to MANY STRAY cats that just dont stay home. I now know I must treat my cloth by my shop and not in my house garage.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: mightyjoeyoung on April 14, 2018, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: ddturkeyhunter on April 14, 2018, 11:27:31 AM
Quote from: bbcoach on March 30, 2018, 07:26:46 AM
Here's a link to Tractor Supply  https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/control-solutions-permethrin-10-1-pt?cm_vc=-10005    Martin's is the brand that I use as well.  It can be obtained, as I stated, from E-bay, local farm and seed stores, some pet stores (dog flea and tick dip) and Amazon.  If you use it in a spray bottle a pint will make 16 20 oz bottles.  A quart will go a long way, so share it with a buddy.  DO NOT GET IT AROUND YOUR CATS, it will kill them.

Thanks for the Idea, my neighbor has to MANY STRAY cats that just dont stay home. I now know I must treat my cloth by my shop and not in my house garage.

It's only lethal to cats in concentrationconcentrations MUCH higher than what we're treating out clothes with.  Also, who'd miss a few cats anyways?   ;D
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Tail Feathers on April 14, 2018, 05:28:01 PM
I forgot to treat my camo before a trip to KS and OK one year.  I think I had two dozen or so tick bites on the trip.  I will NOT forget again.

TTT.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Twowithone on April 14, 2018, 06:05:42 PM
bbcoach I have Martins also but on the ingreidents it says it has petroleum in it. Reading up on this people are saying dont use if it has petroleum product in it.  :OGturkeyhead:
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Twowithone on April 14, 2018, 06:18:57 PM
This is a Q/A on Martins. Its confusing dont use petrulium products this stuff is water based and it says no spraying on cloths.

Can Martins Permethrin 10% be used to spray clothing?
A
Martins Permethrin 10% should NOT be applied to clothing. We do carry Tick Block which is specifically formulated for use on clothing. While both products do contain permethrin, the formulation of Martins Permethrin 10% contains materials that should not come into contact with your skin.

Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: bbcoach on April 14, 2018, 08:11:33 PM
A couple of things here: 1. Do your best to keep the liquid off your skin, once it dries I have never had a problem, hang your clothes on a clothes line or on hangers and spray away, let dry.  2. This concentration is only .5% when mixed one ounce to 20 ounces of water, it is a low concentration but it definitely does the job  3. The Martins is all I've used.  It does have a slight odor when dry but we aren't worried about fooling a turkeys nostrils.  So you guys be the judge, as for me I don't want the diseases associated with ticks.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: captpete on April 14, 2018, 08:20:47 PM
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on April 14, 2018, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: ddturkeyhunter on April 14, 2018, 11:27:31 AM
Quote from: bbcoach on March 30, 2018, 07:26:46 AM
Here's a link to Tractor Supply  https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/control-solutions-permethrin-10-1-pt?cm_vc=-10005    Martin's is the brand that I use as well.  It can be obtained, as I stated, from E-bay, local farm and seed stores, some pet stores (dog flea and tick dip) and Amazon.  If you use it in a spray bottle a pint will make 16 20 oz bottles.  A quart will go a long way, so share it with a buddy.  DO NOT GET IT AROUND YOUR CATS, it will kill them.

Thanks for the Idea, my neighbor has to MANY STRAY cats that just dont stay home. I now know I must treat my cloth by my shop and not in my house garage.

It's only lethal to cats in concentrationconcentrations MUCH higher than what we're treating out clothes with. 
Also, who'd miss a few cats anyways?   ;D


I would my 2 cats WAY more than I would the 4-5 barking dogs that live around me. 8)
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: fallhnt on April 14, 2018, 08:25:44 PM
Just got back from KS. Tics are bad this year.

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Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: captpete on April 14, 2018, 08:58:31 PM
Quote from: Quackwacker NC on April 11, 2018, 11:48:12 AM
So I guess your not supposed to use the one with petroleum in it?

I know the Martin's does have and I have used it without problems. Here is a permethrin product that is EPA approved for use on clothes. It was the first stuff I bought. It said right on the package that it contains petroleum distillates....so you be the judge.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001MA7KPU/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: mightyjoeyoung on April 15, 2018, 07:38:26 AM
Guys, just go to tractor supply and get the small livestock permethrine concentrate for about 10 bucks.  It's enough to treat an entire wardrobe of hunting clothes twice a year for 10 years, it's petroleum distillate free and dries with minimal to no odor. You guys are making this harder than it needs to be. 
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: maddog3355 on April 15, 2018, 06:23:02 PM
I was diagnosed 3 springs ago with tick borne disease. Still have headaches and joint pain at least once a week. Bought a small jug of permethrin off of amazon and mix up 3 gallons at a time in a five gallon bucket. Throw my clothes in there and put a big rock on top of them to hold them down. Let them soak for an hour and pull them out and let them air out for at least a week. Always wear rubber gloves when mixing and handling wet clothes. Haven't had a tick yet when wearing treated clothes. Permethrin don't seem to repel mosquitoes so you will have to have a thermacell or two!!!
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: bbcoach on April 15, 2018, 08:09:37 PM
Gentlemen here's my take on this treatment.  Permethrin is a chemical that treats dogs for fleas and ticks.  It is also a treatment for scabies, as JoeYoung can attest at a 5% concentration.  We are using this at a .5% concentration to keep ticks from crawling on our clothes and imbedding into our skin.  Tick borne illnesses aren't anything to ignore.  These illnesses carry long term effects even if you respond to the antibiotics.  Only you can except or reject this treatment but I believe the rewards far outweigh any risk associated with low concentrations of permethrin.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: mightyjoeyoung on April 16, 2018, 03:28:07 AM
Quote from: bbcoach on April 15, 2018, 08:09:37 PM
Gentlemen here's my take on this treatment.  Permethrin is a chemical that treats dogs for fleas and ticks.  It is also a treatment for scabies, as JoeYoung can attest at a 5% concentration.  We are using this at a .5% concentration to keep ticks from crawling on our clothes and imbedding into our skin.  Tick borne illnesses aren't anything to ignore.  These illnesses carry long term effects even if you respond to the antibiotics.  Only you can except or reject this treatment but I believe the rewards far outweigh any risk associated with low concentrations of permethrin.

No doubt!  Permethrine decomposes basically into water as it's metabolized in the subcutaneous fat layer and flushed out in your urine. It really isn't THAT effective on dogs either as it really does tend to metabolize fast and dog treatment uses an oil base to keep it on the skin longer than its half life.   It IS LETHAL TO FISH so DO NOT dispose on any excess in creeks that might have fish or run into a body of water that does.   
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Twowithone on April 16, 2018, 06:49:53 PM
So is this a good mixture at 10%.1 ounce per 16 oz of water or if you wanted more juice you could use 8 oz. to a gallon of water.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: bbcoach on April 16, 2018, 07:05:06 PM
Quote from: Twowithone on April 16, 2018, 06:49:53 PM
So is this a good mixture at 10%.1 ounce per 16 oz of water or if you wanted more juice you could use 8 oz. to a gallon of water.
You only need .5% solution (1 oz of 10% permethrin to 19 ozs of water) and ticks may crawl on you but you can watch them shake and fall right off your clothes.  To make a gallon (128 ozs) you would need 6.5 ozs of 10% permethrin with 121.5 ozs of water.  Your percentage with the mixtures you stated would be a little higher than .5% but should work just fine.   
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Twowithone on April 16, 2018, 07:57:33 PM
Thx bbcoach. :firefighter:
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Sir-diealot on March 09, 2019, 12:42:23 AM
So was one ever found without petroleum? My turkey hunting clothes are also my deer hunting clothes so I am very worried about odor. If somebody has a link to one without petroleum that works it would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: captpete on March 09, 2019, 02:48:21 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on March 09, 2019, 12:42:23 AM
So was one ever found without petroleum? My turkey hunting clothes are also my deer hunting clothes so I am very worried about odor. If somebody has a link to one without petroleum that works it would be greatly appreciated.

I use the Martin and yes, it has a very slight order to it when it is dry. When I'm done hunting in the spring my camo get washed(can still smell it a little after being washed), lined dried and stored in a plastic tote until next spring. When I open the tote, there is no smell...at least not what I can detect. I think if you hung your cloths outside they would be aired out when deer season rolls around.

I also use a couple of piece of camo for deer hunting that I treat for spring turkey and have not had any issues with being picked off because of that. I have been winded, but that has happened when I wasn't wearing those treated items also.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Sir-diealot on March 09, 2019, 02:55:00 PM
Quote from: captpete on March 09, 2019, 02:48:21 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on March 09, 2019, 12:42:23 AM
So was one ever found without petroleum? My turkey hunting clothes are also my deer hunting clothes so I am very worried about odor. If somebody has a link to one without petroleum that works it would be greatly appreciated.

I use the Martin and yes, it has a very slight order to it when it is dry. When I'm done hunting in the spring my camo get washed(can still smell it a little after being washed), lined dried and stored in a plastic tote until next spring. When I open the tote, there is no smell...at least not what I can detect. I think if you hung your cloths outside they would be aired out when deer season rolls around.

I also use a couple of piece of camo for deer hunting that I treat for spring turkey and have not had any issues with being picked off because of that. I have been winded, but that has happened when I wasn't wearing those treated items also.
Thank you for the reply captpete.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: LaLongbeard on March 09, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on March 09, 2019, 12:42:23 AM
So was one ever found without petroleum? My turkey hunting clothes are also my deer hunting clothes so I am very worried about odor. If somebody has a link to one without petroleum that works it would be greatly appreciated.
A deers nose can detect multiple smells at the same time. If there close enough or the wind is wrong they WILL smell the permethrin, your human scent, or anything else you have on. Worrying about  thermocells, bug spray or permethrin is a waste of time.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: yelpy on March 23, 2019, 06:08:39 AM


Quote from: LaLongbeard on March 09, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on March 09, 2019, 12:42:23 AM
So was one ever found without petroleum? My turkey hunting clothes are also my deer hunting clothes so I am very worried about odor. If somebody has a link to one without petroleum that works it would be greatly appreciated.
A deers nose can detect multiple smells at the same time. If there close enough or the wind is wrong they WILL smell the permethrin, your human scent, or anything else you have on. Worrying about  thermocells, bug spray or permethrin is a waste of time.

Agreed.

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Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Extendo Clip on March 24, 2019, 08:46:46 PM
Does the spray stay on rubber boots effectively? Or only cloth materials?
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: LaLongbeard on March 25, 2019, 08:39:16 AM
Quote from: Extendo Clip on March 24, 2019, 08:46:46 PM
Does the spray stay on rubber boots effectively? Or only cloth materials?
It's not going to soak into the rubber boot like clothing, it will probably stay on for a little while but walking thru wet grass, brush or water and it will get wiped off pretty quick. Just make sure your pants are sprayed well and when the tick gets off the boot onto pants he's done. Permethrin is not a repellent like deet, it kills them.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Gobble! on March 25, 2019, 09:27:22 AM
Something I havn't taken seriously in the past and its cost me. Ordered some just now.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Dtrkyman on March 25, 2019, 09:59:06 AM
I use Sawyer on all clothes, not gloves though.

I have some socks that are pre treated somehow I got on amazon that are tight and tall, seem to work.

I also use top secret 3 in 1 I thinks it's called that has natural repellent in it, I have the body and hair soap as well as the clothes wash, I like the smell of it anyway.

I don't wash outerwear very often so I just apply Sawyer every couple weeks regardless!


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Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: yelpy on March 25, 2019, 10:03:12 AM
Quote from: Dtrkyman on March 25, 2019, 09:59:06 AM
I use Sawyer on all clothes, not gloves though.

I have some socks that are pre treated somehow I got on amazon that are tight and tall, seem to work.

I also use top secret 3 in 1 I thinks it's called that has natural repellent in it, I have the body and hair soap as well as the clothes wash, I like the smell of it anyway.

I don't wash outerwear very often so I just apply Sawyer every couple weeks regardless!


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I tried that top secret stuff. No go for me. It has rose geranium oil in it. Burns my nose and skin.


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Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: uk.turkey.hunter on March 25, 2019, 11:30:45 AM
So which Permethrin to use without the petroleum? I guess I'm either lost or don't see the  permethrin that is recommended.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: LaLongbeard on March 25, 2019, 12:16:02 PM
Quote from: uk.turkey.hunter on March 25, 2019, 11:30:45 AM
So which Permethrin to use without the petroleum? I guess I'm either lost or don't see the  permethrin that is recommended.
Martins is one water based brand you mix with water and is a lot cheaper than the premixed brands and has almost no odor.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Brian Fahs on March 25, 2019, 05:19:49 PM
Quote from: bbcoach on March 30, 2018, 07:26:46 AM
Here's a link to Tractor Supply  https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/control-solutions-permethrin-10-1-pt?cm_vc=-10005    Martin's is the brand that I use as well.  It can be obtained, as I stated, from E-bay, local farm and seed stores, some pet stores (dog flea and tick dip) and Amazon.  If you use it in a spray bottle a pint will make 16 20 oz bottles.  A quart will go a long way, so share it with a buddy.  DO NOT GET IT AROUND YOUR CATS, it will kill them.

Very good info here. I never did like my wife's cat.......just kidding!
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Drycreek on March 26, 2019, 03:08:13 PM
Quote from: uk.turkey.hunter on March 25, 2019, 11:30:45 AM
So which Permethrin to use without the petroleum? I guess I'm either lost or don't see the  permethrin that is recommended.

Duration

https://www.amazon.com/DurationTM-Permethrin-10-Concentrate/dp/B001MA7KPU
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: captpete on March 26, 2019, 06:15:41 PM
Quote from: Drycreek on March 26, 2019, 03:08:13 PM
Quote from: uk.turkey.hunter on March 25, 2019, 11:30:45 AM
So which Permethrin to use without the petroleum? I guess I'm either lost or don't see the  permethrin that is recommended.

Duration

https://www.amazon.com/DurationTM-Permethrin-10-Concentrate/dp/B001MA7KPU

I think if you look at the bottle it does contain petroleum distilates....at least the bottle I used did.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: bbcoach on March 26, 2019, 06:49:53 PM
Guys don't get wrapped around the axles with the oil vs water debate.  You are using 1 ounce of permethrin in a 20 ounce bottle of water.  Shake it up and spray it.  I have been using it for years and don't see a problem on my clothes.  It smells when you put it on initially but the smell goes away when it dries.  Can deer smell it, probably, but I don't care in the spring.  Use it and prevent the possibility of having LOOOOOONG term effects of what a tick can do to your body.  PERIOD!  Just saying.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Drycreek on March 27, 2019, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: bbcoach on March 26, 2019, 06:49:53 PM
Guys don't get wrapped around the axles with the oil vs water debate.  You are using 1 ounce of permethrin in a 20 ounce bottle of water.  Shake it up and spray it.  I have been using it for years and don't see a problem on my clothes.  It smells when you put it on initially but the smell goes away when it dries.  Can deer smell it, probably, but I don't care in the spring.  Use it and prevent the possibility of having LOOOOOONG term effects of what a tick can do to your body.  PERIOD!  Just saying.

I agree, I am currently using some that I picked up at Tractor Supply.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Fullfan on March 27, 2019, 08:54:26 AM
Quote from: Drycreek on March 27, 2019, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: bbcoach on March 26, 2019, 06:49:53 PM
Guys don't get wrapped around the axles with the oil vs water debate.  You are using 1 ounce of permethrin in a 20 ounce bottle of water.  Shake it up and spray it.  I have been using it for years and don't see a problem on my clothes.  It smells when you put it on initially but the smell goes away when it dries.  Can deer smell it, probably, but I don't care in the spring.  Use it and prevent the possibility of having LOOOOOONG term effects of what a tick can do to your body.  PERIOD!  Just saying.

I agree, I am currently using some that I picked up at Tractor Supply.

X3.....
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: turkey_slayer on March 27, 2019, 12:10:02 PM
Did anybody get any off them this winter? Two friends got several off them when the temps were in the teens. They were small suckers to. We've never had tick problems and never seen that kind
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: mduncan on March 27, 2019, 01:00:18 PM
I will not step foot in the turkey woods without a can of Permanone (Permethrin) in the truck.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: NCL on March 28, 2019, 11:36:09 AM
The other thread about permethrin said to avoid getting the wet solution on your skin. Is there any harmful effects on humans from  dried spray? I have not seen any cautions on the bottle or in any of the threads on the topics other than the one mentioned and cats. Just curious.
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: zombiewoof on April 16, 2019, 11:49:18 PM
Quote from: zelmo1 on March 29, 2018, 09:41:22 AM
Gamehide makes " Elimitick" clothing that is good for 75 washes( so they say) that works well also. I sprung for 3 sets for my girls and I. Better safe than sorry. Be safe, Al Baker

I have some of the Elimitick line and it's great! Then i found out you can send your clothes directly to the company in Greensboro NC that treats their clothes (and the US military) for permanent protection. And it's a lot cheaper. Something along the lines of $8 per + shipping and it last the life of the garment. Company is called Insect Shield - google em and don't look back!


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Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: Sir-diealot on April 17, 2019, 02:58:12 PM
Quote from: zombiewoof on April 16, 2019, 11:49:18 PM
Quote from: zelmo1 on March 29, 2018, 09:41:22 AM
Gamehide makes " Elimitick" clothing that is good for 75 washes( so they say) that works well also. I sprung for 3 sets for my girls and I. Better safe than sorry. Be safe, Al Baker

I have some of the Elimitick line and it's great! Then i found out you can send your clothes directly to the company in Greensboro NC that treats their clothes (and the US military) for permanent protection. And it's a lot cheaper. Something along the lines of $8 per + shipping and it last the life of the garment. Company is called Insect Shield - google em and don't look back!


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Good information, thanks. Here is the link to the page that tells how to go about it. They have different forms for if you send in one items or multiple items. https://www.insectshield.com/ISYOC.aspx
Title: Re: Time for the Permethrin!
Post by: zombiewoof on April 17, 2019, 11:09:41 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on April 17, 2019, 02:58:12 PM
Quote from: zombiewoof on April 16, 2019, 11:49:18 PM
Quote from: zelmo1 on March 29, 2018, 09:41:22 AM
Gamehide makes " Elimitick" clothing that is good for 75 washes( so they say) that works well also. I sprung for 3 sets for my girls and I. Better safe than sorry. Be safe, Al Baker

I have some of the Elimitick line and it's great! Then i found out you can send your clothes directly to the company in Greensboro NC that treats their clothes (and the US military) for permanent protection. And it's a lot cheaper. Something along the lines of $8 per + shipping and it last the life of the garment. Company is called Insect Shield - google em and don't look back!


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Good information, thanks. Here is the link to the page that tells how to go about it. They have different forms for if you send in one items or multiple items. https://www.insectshield.com/ISYOC.aspx
I can attest to Insect Shields quick turnaround. I've always had my treated clothes back within 5 days of sending them. These orders went to NC and Georgia, so it may be a couple of days difference for anyone outside the south, but it won't be bc IS didn't get them out. Knock on wood, but I have 100% success in the five years since I've used them to treat my camo.


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