THP / Fine / Warden

[Greg Massey]

look at the number of views this post has already received almost 2000 so in my opinion that's really good. So everyone let's not let a few others try and make this a train wreck. We have shared some really good opinions and content / information... thank you for the ones who have shared DRAMA FREE content... It's all about making everyone aware of this law .... 


Again I do appreciate it.... The long poster ...

[sasquatch1]

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[sasquatch1]

Ark, I get that but kids have to be with a Licensed hunter.

I'm in the same boat as you, been hunting a specific forest for almost twenty years in a row have now been locked out until April.

Last year I just went to Florida, this year I joined several clubs to give me acreage to hunt.

It sucks, but the last thing I'll do is come to any THP defense


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[sasquatch1]

Bb, he was not out filming the leaves

He  Specifically went to partake in a Hunt! Otherwise he would not have been there and you know it. 

He also did it for monetary gain, so he can shell out some for the ability to make money off the resource that was being HUNTED


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[arkrem870]

I'm most definitely not defending thp. Them and others have done irreparable damage to turkey hunters/hunting.

I am point out that the current system is broken in the south east when youth hunts take a hit. And youth hunts are have no bearing on populations. The harvest is biologically insignificant. It's just another tit for tat rule to restrict.

The whole south east needs an overhaul. And these states need to get on the same page. Heck when I worked at the Arkansas game and fish years ago we had coop meetings regularly

[sasquatch1]

There's an old thread on here somewhere where it was alarming how many people supported not  even having youth seasons at all.


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[joey46]

I made the post and everyone so far has been mostly respectful... Lots of good posts have been made about this topic / conversation and I don't see it as a train wreck at all. 

Now if you want to take it down that rabbit hole i'm sure we can, lets not act crazy and cause drama while enjoying and sharing good honest opinions with other members about the law / laws and how we feel, its all about bring awareness to the new Law in Mississippi and other states that have similar,

To answer your question, I'm the long time poster who started this post and as long as we act like adults, I don't see it being a train wreck... NOW if you feel the need to make it a train wreck kind of post then just move on and don't post. People have a right to opinions as long as they are within the drama free zone of this forum and OG ...

You knew exactly what you were going to get when you started it.  Who's kidding who?  Even the mention of THP sets some in a frenzy.  It was inevitable. 

[sasquatch1]

Maybe some will be happy when there's no money for conservation, no lands to hunt unless you own, and or no game left to hunt or catch.

We all want things for free until there's nothing there.

Let's be real, most of us hunt public because there's a lot more land available to us for very cheap, a lot cheaper than trying to own, on top of overall having more game due to more land.

Most could likely at max own small acreage, good luck hunting turkeys on your 40 acres or whatever it may be.

I am fortunate enough to be able to afford a decent chuck of land in MS if I chose to want to spend the money there, and I still realize, 2-300 acres wouldn't provide me what I get out of the millions of acres of public land available to me.

Therefore that money sits there just trying to generate more money.

Things ain't cheap, go try and manage a 30k acre WMA and let me know if those WMA permit fees are enough for much more than maybe some bush hogged roads.

When people drive $60k vehicles with $2-4k e-bikes in the back to the national forest gates, I tend not to feel sorry that they may have to buy a license to go enjoy land they could never afford to own.


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[arkrem870]

Maybe some will be happy when there's no money for conservation, no lands to hunt unless you own, and or no game left to hunt or catch.

We all want things for free until there's nothing there.

Let's be real, most of us hunt public because there's a lot more land available to us for very cheap, a lot cheaper than trying to own, on top of overall having more game due to more land.

Most could likely at max own small acreage, good luck hunting turkeys on your 40 acres or whatever it may be.

I am fortunate enough to be able to afford a decent chuck of land in MS if I chose to want to spend the money there, and I still realize, 2-300 acres wouldn't provide me what I get out of the millions of acres of public land available to me.

Therefore that money sits there just trying to generate more money.

Things ain't cheap, go try and manage a 30k acre WMA and let me know if those WMA permit fees are enough for much more than maybe some bush hogged roads.

When people drive $60k vehicles with $2-4k e-bikes in the back to the national forest gates, I tend not to feel sorry that they may have to buy a license to go enjoy land they could never afford to own.


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Heck I bought a 300 + acre property in Kansas and they eliminated the non resident hunt own land turkey tag two years later . I have to draw in the lottery to hunt my own property (which I failed to draw). So buying property isn't safe at this point either. Now Kansas residents are trying to do away with the non resident hunt own land deer tags.

What I'm saying is as hunters we've got to find some ways to spread out the pressure. Our current trajectory of lost opportunity sucks big time.

[sasquatch1]

I agree Ark. idk how to solve the deer as it's a bit diff. Everyone wants those giants that don't live everywhere

But turkeys are kind of season driven. I thing regional areas need to be more aligned on their openers but it can't be done without give and take

Also, funding to secure more public lands from turning into housing. But that takes money and we don't like paying

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[runngun]

MS could come up with an easy solution then BB,

Only those who draw the dates for the WMA can be on said WMA. Honestly I'd like that better myself I think.

I think ALOT of you are mixing this up with someone on an open National forest etc etc.


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I think that is exactly what they have done. Since the violator is a NON RESIDENT, it's draw only for NON RESIDENT for the 1st two weeks of the season in Mississippi.  He can have a whole stack of licenses but if he did not draw he is in VIOLATION.  He kept saying that he read the laws before season but he missed THAT PART!!! BOLD LETTERS. Must be a reading comprehension issue.

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[GobbleNut]

To preface, I have no dog in this fight, but here is my take (again):
Okay, so I just went to the MS site to see what it says about having a "guest".  Here is the exact quote I found:

"Guests
The drawn hunter may have one non-permitted, licensed guest 16 years of age or older. This guest is not allowed to harvest deer or turkey, but may participate in the hunt (i.e. calling, etc.).

YOUTH: For selected hunters 21 years old or older, one youth aged 15 years old or younger may accompany or hunt with the permitted adult hunter. The adult and youth combined harvest shall not exceed the permit bag limit."

If I was planning on being a guest (which I am not), I would look at that statement and my first inclination would be to call the agency and get a clarification on that.  I am certain that their response would be that the statement means that the guest must have purchased a nonresident turkey license to participate. 

Now, if I was stubborn and had lots of time and money, I might decide I was going to assume that a "licensed guest" meant I simply had to have some sort of "license" of any sort on my person. I would go along with the full intent to stir the pot and challenge the regulation if I was "caught" and ticketed.  In my particular case, if I decided to do that (which I would not), I would do so just because of the wording of the regulation.

I would go before the "judge" in the case and say "Your honor, I thought the regulation meant that I only had to have a "license" of some sort to verify my identity. I would have thought the if I was required to have a hunting license, the regulation would have clearly (and simply} stated that for me to go along I had to have a "valid turkey hunting license". Don't you think that adding those three simple words "valid turkey hunting" would have cleared this entire thing up in the regulations?"

Now, he might have decided that I was a moron for not concluding that the regulation inferred those three words...but on the other hand, he might conclude that whoever wrote the regulation was more of a moron for not putting those three simple words in the statement. ...We would have to see which side he chose, I guess...      

[Bedge7767]

I knew when i first saw this posted that it would cause a stink and all the crybabies would show up. I was right again. Social media has ruined hunting as they post on social media.

[Dtrkyman]

I would assume "licensed" means hunting license IE small game general hunting type license.  Is a turkey "permit" listed as a license there?

Most places list specific species as permits or tags not a license and your small game general hunting license as you license!

I have no dog in the fight either as I have no plans to ever hunt Mississippi public land, however traveling around to multiple states to hunt every year clear regs are important!

A state I hunt yearly changed their system twice in a few years, went to Walmart and purchased my tag/license and the system would not allow them to print it, cost me a morning hunt as I had to wait for game and fish to open on a Monday morning to get it straight!

They still took my money of course!


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[Mossyguy]

I would go before the "judge" in the case and say "Your honor, I thought the regulation meant that I only had to have a "license" of some sort to verify my identity. 

I'd say you'd have a pretty good argument..it's all there in black and white