So I am always taking some kids out turkey hunting, or introducing it a "New" adult hunter and passing on the tradition. Well on the opener of our WI Youth Season I have a dad & son team come out with me for the boy's first turkey hunt. I have been scouting the area for a week, set a pair of blinds up for us 2 days ahead of opener and on private land. Get up early, park the truck and hike our way in only to walk up to a truck parked 30ft from my blinds, this is at 5:00am and the now what do I do...
Well we setup anyway and held to the game plan, about 8:00am here comes a guy out with a young girl hunter in tow, we get out of the blinds to talk with him and he said he didn't know anyone else was hunting here and this is their easement. Well I talked to the land owner and he had no idea who the guy was, but knew the property owner, who does not own the easement but the land owner I am on owns it. I would have really liked to explain a little about ethics to this "hunter" and hate to use this term to describe him... because this guy purposely parked there and walked by the blinds going in by 4 ft. I guess my story ends good on one detail. Ryan still got his bird!
MK M GOBL
and here's the boys longbeard!
MK M GOBL
Some people have no brains or respect for other hunters, trespassing fine is a sure good way for some to learn, I bet he parked there to try and spook any birds coming to the blinds I would have moved them right in front of the truck to conceal it...
Nice bird.
I guess I do not understand. Did the guy have permission from someone to be there?
If he did, I can honestly say, at O'dark thirty, I might not see a turkey blind blind off the road either. On those little dirt roads in the morning, I am looking for some little marker on the road where to park, and not really paying attention as to what is off to the side (cause I cannot see it anyways).
If he had permission, I can honestly say, I would be capable of the same mistake.
Now, if he did not have permission, or saw the blind and still parked there... Well, I would use a specific part of the human anatomy (which generally has an unpleasant odor) to describe his behavior... (rhymes with a good place to go fishing).
Quote from: Marc on April 12, 2016, 12:01:17 AM
I guess I do not understand. Did the guy have permission from someone to be there?
If he did, I can honestly say, at O'dark thirty, I might not see a turkey blind blind off the road either. On those little dirt roads in the morning, I am looking for some little marker on the road where to park, and not really paying attention as to what is off to the side (cause I cannot see it anyways).
If he had permission, I can honestly say, I would be capable of the same mistake.
Now, if he did not have permission, or saw the blind and still parked there... Well, I would use a specific part of the human anatomy (which generally has an unpleasant odor) to describe his behavior... (rhymes with a good place to go fishing).
He does have use of the easement to get to the property behind the property I hunt, what he did not have was permission to park there, he should drove through and parked it on the adjoining land owners property.
My thoughts were they same he parked it there to keep any birds from coming in to us... he left empty handed, we did not :)
MK M GOBL
Quote from: MK M GOBL on April 12, 2016, 12:16:46 AM
Quote from: Marc on April 12, 2016, 12:01:17 AM
I guess I do not understand. Did the guy have permission from someone to be there?
If he did, I can honestly say, at O'dark thirty, I might not see a turkey blind blind off the road either. On those little dirt roads in the morning, I am looking for some little marker on the road where to park, and not really paying attention as to what is off to the side (cause I cannot see it anyways).
If he had permission, I can honestly say, I would be capable of the same mistake.
Now, if he did not have permission, or saw the blind and still parked there... Well, I would use a specific part of the human anatomy (which generally has an unpleasant odor) to describe his behavior... (rhymes with a good place to go fishing).
He does have use of the easement to get to the property behind the property I hunt, what he did not have was permission to park there, he should drove through and parked it on the adjoining land owners property.
My thoughts were they same he parked it there to keep any birds from coming in to us... he left empty handed, we did not :)
MK M GOBL
Karma is a wonderful thing idiot leaves empty handed and you leave with a bird. Well maybe I would have let him leave with a bird too (middle finger)
Quote from: MK M GOBL on April 12, 2016, 12:16:46 AM
He does have use of the easement to get to the property behind the property I hunt, what he did not have was permission to park there, he should drove through and parked it on the adjoining land owners property.
My thoughts were they same he parked it there to keep any birds from coming in to us... he left empty handed, we did not :)
MK M GOBL
I suppose he is somewhat lucky that the bird was not in between you and the truck when the boy got his shot... ;D
While duck hunting(public area with limited reservations to get in), someone once parked his car on the boat ramp blocking everyone else from launching, and took off in his boat (thinking he had prevented anyone else from hunting). Someone else unhitched their boat, and used their truck to push his out of the way... Oddly nobody else at the boat ramp complained about the manner in which the vehicle was moved...
As
NYlogbeards points out,
Karma has a way of showing up in some interesting ways...
MK M GOBL, Glad to hear that the youngster still got his bird. Congrats to you both....
Here is my experience with how lost ethics have become with some people: Ethics are becoming few and far between in some of the areas that I hunt here in NY. Last year I had permission to hunt a track of land that bordered pipeline that I didn't have permission to hunt. At the beginning of the season I was hunting inside the track of land where I had permission only to get back to my truck and find a note on it from the pipeline land owners stating that they didn't want me next to their property line at all. I called them and told them that I was not on their land and that I only hunt within my boundaries. This made things worse because every time they would see my truck on the no winter maintenance road, they would run atv's up and down the pipeline (they lived close by so this turned into an everyday occurrence) as to scare any birds that were close by. Needless to say, I had to stop hunting there before my temper got the best of me (come to find out from a DEC friend of mine and the landowner, these two individuals have been arrested before for trespassing on the land that I had permission to hunt and many game and fish violations including hunting out of season when they were hunting on youth weekend without any youths present). I would say that these individuals lack any morals or ethics and that there are many more like them out there.
An 0500 sabotage attempt during a youth hunt might be a stretch. I'm going with the "he had no idea" you had blinds set up there, or at least figured nobody would be there for youth season. You talked with him on his way out with the little girl...was that the impression you got, that he purposely tried to mess up another youth hunt? I'm thinking the guy gets a little credit - he was out there taking a kid hunting? (I could be totally wrong, but...)
Anyway, CONGRATS to your young gun on a successful hunt!
Quote from: SteelerFan on April 12, 2016, 06:03:54 AM
An 0500 sabotage attempt during a youth hunt might be a stretch. I'm going with the "he had no idea" you had blinds set up there, or at least figured nobody would be there for youth season. You talked with him on his way out with the little girl...was that the impression you got, that he purposely tried to mess up another youth hunt? I'm thinking the guy gets a little credit - he was out there taking a kid hunting? (I could be totally wrong, but...)
Anyway, CONGRATS to your young gun on a successful hunt!
This is my thought exactly.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on April 12, 2016, 06:15:33 AM
Quote from: SteelerFan on April 12, 2016, 06:03:54 AM
An 0500 sabotage attempt during a youth hunt might be a stretch. I'm going with the "he had no idea" you had blinds set up there, or at least figured nobody would be there for youth season. You talked with him on his way out with the little girl...was that the impression you got, that he purposely tried to mess up another youth hunt? I'm thinking the guy gets a little credit - he was out there taking a kid hunting? (I could be totally wrong, but...)
Anyway, CONGRATS to your young gun on a successful hunt!
This is my thought exactly.
That's the feeling I get as well.
It's a shame that in the most civilized country people can't act civilized.
Congrats and great job.
Congrats on the hunt, and I have had similar experiences with other hunters as well. I agree, what happened to hunter ethics?
WTG.... :icon_thumright:
Some times, you just have to adapt and overcome... ;)
We have our fair share of one way knuckleheads here in PA., too....
Continued success.....
There are lots of clear-cut cases of unethical behavior,...and then there are those that only appear that way at first glance. This particular case might just be due to a combination of circumstances that make something look like poor ethics but, in reality was just an inadvertent mistake. As others have already noted, this may well have been one of those cases.
I'm not defending the guy for what happened, but I would be hesitant to condemn him without having some internal doubt based on your description of what took place.
Congrats on the bird!
Quote from: SteelerFan on April 12, 2016, 06:03:54 AM
An 0500 sabotage attempt during a youth hunt might be a stretch. I'm going with the "he had no idea" you had blinds set up there, or at least figured nobody would be there for youth season. You talked with him on his way out with the little girl...was that the impression you got, that he purposely tried to mess up another youth hunt? I'm thinking the guy gets a little credit - he was out there taking a kid hunting? (I could be totally wrong, but...)
Anyway, CONGRATS to your young gun on a successful hunt!
Just because you dont want to believe it doesnt mean it was not the intent. I have seen isiots do stuff like this before.
I tend to be with those who question if there was true intent. I assume talking to him helped determine if he really meant to be a jerk or it was simply an accident.
Quote from: warrent423 on April 12, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
Personally don't have much respect for someone who would "teach" a kid to turkey hunt from a blind. Bet his kid learned more from being out of the blind then yours did being in it, even though they never killed a gobbler ;) Being a traditional, old school turkey hunter who was taught to use woodsmanship and knowledge of turkeys habits to kill them, this is just my opinion.
What a male member thing to say. Rather than praise a man for taking his kid huntin, you bash him because he used a blind. Well guess what, I let my girl sit in a blind this past weekend. We also sat out in the open. It is buttholes like you that are ruining this sport. It might be your opinion, but bashing other hunters make you a jerk. Keep that type of opinion to your self. There is no place for it here.
I can't say what the man's intent was, but he should have pulled his truck down inside the property line he had permission to hunt. That easement doesn't give parking rights, they are for ingress and egress!!
Congrats on a nice bird!
Quote from: warrent423 on April 12, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
Personally don't have much respect for someone who would "teach" a kid to turkey hunt from a blind. Bet his kid learned more from being out of the blind then yours did being in it, even though they never killed a gobbler ;) Being a traditional, old school turkey hunter who was taught to use woodsmanship and knowledge of turkeys habits to kill them, this is just my opinion.
Really man, like really??? I cant say I don't personally like to hunt inside blinds myself as it drives me crazy to feel like I can't hear or see anything even if that's not the case but to bash someone for using one with a kid simply because you're old "school" and they weren't invented yet when you started hunting is a little wait no extremely harsh, narrow-minded, and short sighted.
Are you against treestands for deer, how about modern bows (gotta be recurve right?), bet you can't stand ppl that drive to their hunting spot... The nerve, in your day you had to walk everywhere
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TauntoHawk, :agreed:
Uncalled-for opinion in this particular thread.
To the OP: I would hope that someone wouldn't purposely attempt to spoil a youth's hunt, but who know's? There is something about hunting that makes people act illogical, and often immoral.
There's a few decent guys left out there. Couple deer seasons ago I left my climber locked to a tree. Next time I showed up, there was a nice note on it from a guy who had permission to hunt the adjoining property. Note explained I was trespassing and had a copy of the plat map and his phone # with it. He also offered to let me hunt that property if I needed ground to hunt! Long story made short, I texted him an apology and thanked him for not damaging my gear. We ended up becoming friends and share scouting reports on the deer and turkeys. Turns out, he was the one on the wrong side of the property line but that's a different story!
I'm just glad the young man still got his bird.
Congrats on getting the youth his bird, despite the circumstances.
WarrenT423, we see very clearly that you have zero respect, move on man, unbelievable.
Quote from: warrent423 on April 12, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
Personally don't have much respect for someone who would "teach" a kid to turkey hunt from a blind. Bet his kid learned more from being out of the blind then yours did being in it, even though they never killed a gobbler ;) Being a traditional, old school turkey hunter who was taught to use woodsmanship and knowledge of turkeys habits to kill them, this is just my opinion.
Really? i dont like hunting from blinds either,and dont
unless my boys(age 9 and 6)are with me. To me the quickest way to turn away a kid from something new is to make it hard and/or not fun. Taking a first time hunter,especially a kid and telling them "sit here against this tree and dont move at all" for a few hours is going to turn away a lot of future hunters. Kind of like teaching your kid to play baseball but having the local high school ace coming over and throwing him pitches. According to your way of thinking they're going to learn a lot more facing 70mph heaters than they will hitting soft toss or off a tee right?
My 6 year old shot his first gobbler last saturday during the MO youth season at 15 yds,over decoys and out of a blind. I can tell you with 100% certainty that that bird would not have meant anymore to me if we had done it "the real way". My 9 year old is starting to want to hunt more and more without the blind and i'm happy to show him how.
So please get off your high and mighty high horse and keep your incredibly rude comments to
yourself. Rant over :angry9:
Quote from: warrent423 on April 12, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
Personally don't have much respect for someone who would "teach" a kid to turkey hunt from a blind. Bet his kid learned more from being out of the blind then yours did being in it, even though they never killed a gobbler ;) Being a traditional, old school turkey hunter who was taught to use woodsmanship and knowledge of turkeys habits to kill them, this is just my opinion.
That is certainly your prerogative with your own children. That is an awful tall horse you are sittin' on though.
However, speaking for myself and taking kids out, my goal is to make it fun for them, and some degree of success certainly adds to the entertainment value.
At 3 and 5 years old, when I do not take my daughters fishing, I take them catching. I take them somewhere where they are going to catch a lot of fish easily... I also know we will be collecting pine cones and picking flowers.
When I take the kids dove or duck hunting, I do so on days I expect some action, and when the weather is cooperating. I do not take them out on a tough day and say "this is how it is, if you don't like it stay home."
With turkey hunting, it is tough for a child to sit still long enough for a bird to come in good range. When they cannot hold still and birds won't come in, it will not be fun for them (especially when dad is visibly angry about the child not sitting still).
A blind provides a situation where the child can move around a bit, be more likely to turn and see the birds, and allows the child to eat some snacks, take a nap, use the camera to take some pictures (as in my case)... It affords a higher degree of success with less frustration both on the parent and the child's part.
And then you have to consider the situation and bird population... I think many of you are hunting far higher bird populations than some of us. For some of you, if the first bird bumps off, there is likely another one that might show, or at least another one close by to move in on. Generally, I have a bird (or maybe two) that is active on any property I hunt. I mess that bird up, and we are pretty much done.
It has been my experience, that as the child develops (both emotionally and in skill level) that they themselves will want to hunt more "like daddy does." The key is to get them out, have some fun, and show them some degree of success, and allow for that experience so that there knowledge and experience can grow along with their desire to go out.
I know I will be using a blind when I take my kids turkey hunting at first. I want them to have fun, and have a better chance of experiencing a successful hunt.
Quote from: warrent423 on April 12, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
Personally don't have much respect for someone who would "teach" a kid to turkey hunt from a blind. Bet his kid learned more from being out of the blind then yours did being in it, even though they never killed a gobbler ;) Being a traditional, old school turkey hunter who was taught to use woodsmanship and knowledge of turkeys habits to kill them, this is just my opinion.
It wasn't a question of whether or not you have respect for someone who chooses to hunt with their child the way they see fit, that's your opinion and you could have kept it to yourself but instead you choosed to disrespect the OP and any other person who uses legal ethics while hunting. I myself can not have much respect for someone who would criticize another hunter or someone who would condone ruining another hunters hunt because of something they don't like.
Quote from: warrent423 on April 12, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
Personally don't have much respect for someone who would "teach" a kid to turkey hunt from a blind. Bet his kid learned more from being out of the blind then yours did being in it, even though they never killed a gobbler ;) Being a traditional, old school turkey hunter who was taught to use woodsmanship and knowledge of turkeys habits to kill them, this is just my opinion.
Summer's Eve.
I let my son water whack Wood Ducks for the first few years I took him hunting. No apology from me. We got to eat food he had provided for the family. They look prettier when they are water whacked for the table too. As he has grown in to a man, he shoots his birds flying now. And is dang good at it. I like to think a little early success kept him interested. Goodness gracious there are plenty of other things pulling kids away from the outdoors. If you wait until they are old enough to "hunt like a (wo)man" they are not gonna want to hunt with you anyways.
Also let my son shoot a jake when he was 12. First bird. No blind, but I had cut some limbs and stuff to make a ground blind. Had never seen a commercial one back then. If I had, I might have used it. The really awesome thing is I raised my kids the way I wanted and could not give two (morning constitutionals) what some internet "expert" thinks.
Sorry, forgot the OP thanks to the "expert".
I am off a like mind it was just a mistake, but you talked to him and would know better.
Quote from: warrent423 on April 12, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
Personally don't have much respect for someone who would "teach" a kid to turkey hunt from a blind. Bet his kid learned more from being out of the blind then yours did being in it, even though they never killed a gobbler ;) Being a traditional, old school turkey hunter who was taught to use woodsmanship and knowledge of turkeys habits to kill them, this is just my opinion.
Sometimes we pull the trigger to soon...
Here's the rest of the story
So after the other "hunter" left our set we did a little run & gun, spotted a couple of birds and moved in. First set on them we had 3 jakes come in but from behind us and no shot opportunity. I said we need to move in on them, made the move and I hit the Cody, bird hammers back, hit it again and he's on his way. Set out a couple of DSD's quick and set down, this was Ryan's first hunt and here we are on the ground tucked up tight to a tree. Hit the call again and the bird is almost on us, I hear him spit-n-drum give him a couple of soft purrs and he is in the field and hammers it again. Ryan held still as the gobbler came in strutting, danced his last dance around the jake decoy and Ryan put him down at 15 yards. 1st bird for this young man!
I have mentored many youths throughout my time spent turkey hunting, and have taught these kids and adults many aspects of turkey hunting. Fault me if you will but I will "start" hunters out in a blind until they learn the keen eyesight of a wild turkey. I have taught them the use of a decoy (another fault of mine). I would rather have them see success and learn to love the hunt and then once they have acquired the skills to be one on one with a longbeard in the timber and face the challenge of calling a bird in range.
I take the time to teach them the biology of the wild turkey, calling skills, scouting and stewardship of the land. I also teach woodsmanship, ethics, sportsmanship and respect of our natural world. I talk about how once in Wisconsin you could not hunt a wild turkey (like when I was a kid) and due to hunters, conservationist and our state agencies and the NWTF we now have the Wild Turkey roaming the ridges and valleys of lands where I live. And I have seen these same kids grow up to become outdoorsmen and women and take the time to teach others these values and pass on the tradition.
Yes fault me if you will...
MK M GOBL
Here's the Wisconsin Learn to Hunt Program I have been mentoring with for the last 14 years...
Had some snow, got a bit windy and a little cold... but Rachel got her bird! At the 2016 Gays Mills Sportsmans Club Learn to Hunt Program
We had a few birds talking to us early this morning, heard the flydown and went quiet on us for a bit. Then this guy answered the "Cody Turkey Calls" and started working, we heard him strutting in and then her dad Peter seen him making his way down off a timber road and then made his way into the Dave Smith Decoys / DSD's. Rachel put him down at 14 yards! all on video.
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,63680.0.html
MK M GOBL
One more from the 2nd Day of our Youth Hunt and goes down with a Double!! Wyatt & Abbey scored on these gobblers!
Was a pretty quiet morning and about 8:15 Wyatt hears a bird gobble during my calling, I asked are you sure? Yup. I hit the Cody again and there is an answer but pretty far off. Called sparingly for a bit and at one point we could hear it sounded like more than one bird. Next thing I see is 2 birds coming fast, stop strut and hit the gas again, did that all the way to the DSD's. I had Wyatt in the Double Bull with me (righty) and Abbey (lefty) in the Bale Blind with her dad Rob. I was between the two kids and we got them on the birds, the birds crossed paths and both kids did great staying on right bird / left bird. I whispered out the "are you ready" two yeses came back and 1,2,3 and DOUBLE DOWN! Birds were at 15 yards and got it filmed, great weekend!
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,63814.0.html
MK M GOBL
MK M GOBL, I've got mad respect for you... Awesome to see guys taking out young hunters to expierence the woods and be able to take a bird, success is the key to get a youngster to enjoy everything about hunting. And no need to justify why you used a blind. :icon_thumright:
Quote from: warrent423 on April 12, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
Personally don't have much respect for someone who would "teach" a kid to turkey hunt from a blind. Bet his kid learned more from being out of the blind then yours did being in it, even though they never killed a gobbler ;) Being a traditional, old school turkey hunter who was taught to use woodsmanship and knowledge of turkeys habits to kill them, this is just my opinion.
Man what the heck?
You the guy in the truck
Great job Mk m
and congrats to you and all those kids :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
Quote from: owlhoot on April 12, 2016, 10:49:13 PM
Quote from: warrent423 on April 12, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
Personally don't have much respect for someone who would "teach" a kid to turkey hunt from a blind. Bet his kid learned more from being out of the blind then yours did being in it, even though they never killed a gobbler ;) Being a traditional, old school turkey hunter who was taught to use woodsmanship and knowledge of turkeys habits to kill them, this is just my opinion.
Man what the heck?
You the guy in the truck
Exactly what i thought (scratches head and wonders)
Quote from: NYlogbeards on April 12, 2016, 10:16:03 PM
MK M GOBL, I've got mad respect for you... Awesome to see guys taking out young hunters to expierence the woods and be able to take a bird, success is the key to get a youngster to enjoy everything about hunting. And no need to justify why you used a blind. :icon_thumright:
Thank you! & Yes can sure tell by those kids smiles that they had fun and were out hunting!
MK M GOBL
Quote from: owlhoot on April 12, 2016, 10:52:09 PM
Great job Mk m
and congrats to you and all those kids :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
:agreed: Great thing your doing with those youngsters
MK M GOBL, I think what you are doing is great. Most people won't even tell a sole where they hunt in fear someone may find out about their spot. You sir are doing the scouting and then taking these youngsters and parent out for an experience they will not soon forget. I also agree with you that a level of success is needed with young kids. Teaching them the woods, sportsmanship, and respect for the birds are all important. But lets be a little honest. Hearing, seeing, and even harvesting a bird is what gets them excited and makes them want to learn more and work harder for the next hunt. My nine year old shot a bird on last Saturday on the Iowa youth opener. I was going to post pictures as he was so excited he could not see straight. But the bird was jake, shot out of a blind, and we used a decoy. I was not up for the flaming so we just kept the gloating to ourselves. Keep on doing what you are doing and the turkey hunters of the future will benefit.
MK M GOBL- You sound like a real gentleman. Wish you had been around when I was a kid. Congratulations on your youth hunts. What you put in is what you get out.
Quote from: chadly on April 13, 2016, 08:05:06 AM
My nine year old shot a bird on last Saturday on the Iowa youth opener. I was going to post pictures as he was so excited he could not see straight. But the bird was jake, shot out of a blind, and we used a decoy. I was not up for the flaming so we just kept the gloating to ourselves.
Chadly: Post those pics. Its not gloating when it comes to kids. Instead its letting all of us see the youths smiles and happiness which I think the majority of us love to see including MK M GOBL.
I'm not a "blind guy," but I don't have an issue with folks using blinds if they wish. Some circumstances make it a wise choice, and that's especially true with kids. The popup blinds weren't around when my oldest started hunting, and my youngest said "if we have to sit in a blind I don't want to go" when he started tagging along at age four. So, I've never messed with them, and I don't enjoy "deer hunting for turkeys." Hope no one takes that as a shot because it isn't meant to be. It's simply a preference.
Good job on getting kids out. My youngest killed his last youth hunt longbeard on the TN youth opener. Kid had a lot of luck on youth hunts as he killed a longbeard on every youth hunt. Also killed each one before the sun cleared the trees. Last year he said "I don't see how anyone can miss a turkey," and it was said despite his having seen me miss a couple before he was old enough to shoot. Well, he missed his first shot this year. Luckily, the birds didn't panic (three two-year-olds) and he was able to shuck a fresh shell in the chamber and kill his bird.
This thread could be renamed as "What happened to forum ethics..."
As for me, I'll use a blind if the situation calls for it, regardless of whether my kids are with me or if I am by myself.
Chris
This happened this morning me and a buddy are on public land we hear one on the roost and set up for him. After he comes down he shuts up. We had another turkey that was on the opposite side of the field we had set up on answering. He was gobbling his head off searching and slowly closing the distance. Well as we were deciding on how to make our move we hear a truck start up drive between us and the turkey then go a little farther down the road and stop. About the time we were about to set up and really start working him we heard the guy shoot get back in his truck and leave. We didn't hear any calls coming from that direction. It's pathetic what some people will do to kill a turkey. They can't call so they decide to cut someone off that can call.
Quote from: warrent423 on April 13, 2016, 10:54:21 AM
I commend the original poster on his willingness to take young 'uns turkey "shooting". I too believe they all must start somewhere. However, I believe better than 75% of those who start out with instant success from a tent blind, over looking a flock of decoys in a field will end up loosing interest early on in life. But then again, that is just society in general these days, instant success, with no ambition to learn. And by the way, that was not me in the truck. If it had been, I would have ran over the tent, than backed up over it, and than ran it over again. Assuming there was nobody in it, of course. ;D Good luck to all the young'uns this season. Teach them right boys. Leave the tents and decoys at home and take them kids "into" the woods, where they may learn something useful about turkey hunting ;) Headed to the woods. Warrent out.
I disagree. Get them interested in hunting and THEN work on the woodsmanship. Just my opinion.
:popcorn:
Quote from: renegade19 on April 13, 2016, 11:14:55 AM
Quote from: warrent423 on April 13, 2016, 10:54:21 AM
I commend the original poster on his willingness to take young 'uns turkey "shooting". I too believe they all must start somewhere. However, I believe better than 75% of those who start out with instant success from a tent blind, over looking a flock of decoys in a field will end up loosing interest early on in life. But then again, that is just society in general these days, instant success, with no ambition to learn. And by the way, that was not me in the truck. If it had been, I would have ran over the tent, than backed up over it, and than ran it over again. Assuming there was nobody in it, of course. ;D Good luck to all the young'uns this season. Teach them right boys. Leave the tents and decoys at home and take them kids "into" the woods, where they may learn something useful about turkey hunting ;) Headed to the woods. Warrent out.
I disagree. Get them interested in hunting and THEN work on the woodsmanship. Just my opinion.
:popcorn:
This ^^^
Im wondering if warrent423 is buddies with our old friend LF Cox? Same opinion on blinds and da'coys, as he always put it.
Quote from: jakesdad on April 13, 2016, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: renegade19 on April 13, 2016, 11:14:55 AM
Quote from: warrent423 on April 13, 2016, 10:54:21 AM
I commend the original poster on his willingness to take young 'uns turkey "shooting". I too believe they all must start somewhere. However, I believe better than 75% of those who start out with instant success from a tent blind, over looking a flock of decoys in a field will end up loosing interest early on in life. But then again, that is just society in general these days, instant success, with no ambition to learn. And by the way, that was not me in the truck. If it had been, I would have ran over the tent, than backed up over it, and than ran it over again. Assuming there was nobody in it, of course. ;D Good luck to all the young'uns this season. Teach them right boys. Leave the tents and decoys at home and take them kids "into" the woods, where they may learn something useful about turkey hunting ;) Headed to the woods. Warrent out.
I disagree. Get them interested in hunting and THEN work on the woodsmanship. Just my opinion.
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This ^^^
Im wondering if warrent423 is buddies with our old friend LF Cox? Same opinion on blinds and da'coys, as he always put it.
Same winning personality too.
It must be a terribly heavy burden to be such a prophet of turkey hunting and no one cares what you think.
Making sure a kid is comfortable and doing what you can to ensure success will go a long way toward their having a pleasant experience. That said, I honestly think kids are either going to love it or not. Certainly they have to be given the opportunity to find out, and there's no reason not to make it as much fun as possible, but most will either get into it in a big way or migrate to other things eventually.
I've seen too many kids from the same family and raised the same way where one loves it and the other rarely hunts after leaving home. With my oldest, I was fairly young, and I didn't change anything about the way I hunted or fished for him, and he loved it with every fiber of his being. With my youngest, I tried hard to make it about him having fun. He enjoys hunting and hates fishing, but he doesn't love it like his brother. I've seen the same with a ton of siblings.
Key is, take the kids and let them decide no matter how you go about it.
Quote from: g8rvet on April 13, 2016, 04:15:02 PM
Same winning personality too.
It must be a terribly heavy burden to be such a prophet of turkey hunting and no one cares what you think.
I do not know who you guys are referring to, but here is my take...
It is a valid discussion. He makes a valid point, he just has a terrible way of doing so, which removes any merit from his discussion... I happen to disagree with his point of view (even if it were made with some degree of tact), but the manner in which I introduce my children to the outdoors is a conscious thought process for me.
Looking at his second post, he is fishing... Trolling if you will for some sort of reaction, and he got it. His first post was a tad rude, his second post was absurd. If these posts are sincere, I am certain he has a giant trophy of a rectum on his mantel... Cause he would win that contest for sure.
I tend to align myself more with the old school way of doing things. I happen to agree with a lot of points that have been made by the some of the more outspoken people of this style. However I believe everyone has to be able to be civil and and able to withhold emotion in order to have an honest discussion. We get nowhere bickering and fighting. I don't labor under the illusion that everyone is going to see it my way all the time or even half the time. I have my personal beliefs and others have theirs. My biggest issue with some of the old school style of hunting is the eletist, snob attitude that sometimes is portrayed with it. If I have ever come across that way I apologize. There are plenty of people who are better at this game than i. I guess for me it's just about work and the desire to meet a challenge and play the game on what I deem to be a fair playing ground. I loose more often than I win and I wouldn't have it any other way. Others may not agree and that's fine, they don't have to. Kudos for the gentleman for taking kids out and getting them involved in the outdoors. He is obviously very giving of his time and effort. In that respect many of us should do the same. I have nothing but respect for that.
Quote from: Marc on April 13, 2016, 04:40:01 PM
Quote from: g8rvet on April 13, 2016, 04:15:02 PM
Same winning personality too.
It must be a terribly heavy burden to be such a prophet of turkey hunting and no one cares what you think.
I do not know who you guys are referring to, but here is my take...
It is a valid discussion. He makes a valid point, he just has a terrible way of doing so, which removes any merit from his discussion... I happen to disagree with his point of view (even if it were made with some degree of tact), but the manner in which I introduce my children to the outdoors is a conscious thought process for me.
Looking at his second post, he is fishing... Trolling if you will for some sort of reaction, and he got it. His first post was a tad rude, his second post was absurd. If these posts are sincere, I am certain he has a giant trophy of a rectum on his mantel... Cause he would win that contest for sure.
It is a valid discussion if the topic of the thread is "how should I raise my kids to turkey hunt?". The topic was hunter ethics. The know it all poster implied that what the OP did was not ethical and that offended some folks, me included.
It is the difference between the guy that told me (and I do not know him well) that "You need to be raising my kids in Church" (to which I told him I am, just not YOUR church) and someone saying "we would love to have you worship with us. One is constructive and welcome, the other is judgemental and offputting.
There are a million different ways to raise a young un and lots of them result in totally functional adults and yet they are very different.
This is all too common! Just yesterday, I reread an old article in Turkey Call mag from the 1990s-- The Mourning. A young man was set-up with a tom that was gobbling good and a large turkey hunter was moving in towards the roost. The young man whistled and the large man looked at him and continued on to the roost hoping to take him off of there. A shot rang out and the large man tossed his hat to the ground and said to the young man--what are you shooting at! The young man said -nothing. The large man approached very fast and the young man knocked his shotgun out of his hands and pressed his forearm tightly under the large mans neck and pushed him against a tree. The large man was very passive after that! The young man told him to go home.---Sounds like something I might do if it happened to me!
Quote from: g8rvet on April 14, 2016, 12:14:10 PM
It is a valid discussion if the topic of the thread is "how should I raise my kids to turkey hunt?". The topic was hunter ethics. The know it all poster implied that what the OP did was not ethical and that offended some folks, me included.
It is the difference between the guy that told me (and I do not know him well) that "You need to be raising my kids in Church" (to which I told him I am, just not YOUR church) and someone saying "we would love to have you worship with us. One is constructive and welcome, the other is judgemental and offputting.
There are a million different ways to raise a young un and lots of them result in totally functional adults and yet they are very different.
I agree with everything you said...
I still think the guy was fishing (especially reading his second post)... And the discussion is valid (but probably as you say for a different thread).
When taking my children into the field, I certainly ask others who have done so successfully, and unsuccessfully (I want to know what NOT to do as much as I want to know what to do).
No doubt that this thread has gone sideways, but under a different thread, could be an interesting discussion.
Quote from: MK M GOBL on April 11, 2016, 11:42:38 PM
and here's the boys longbeard!
MK M GOBL
Glad you were able to overcome his lack of consideration and ethics. Unfortunately, it's gotten to be that way, on both public and private land. Due to the surge in the popularity of turkey hunting, you have deal with more and more people. Sadly, not all of them are either ethical or considerate.
Good job on getting the boy his bird!! :icon_thumright:
First off, congrats to you guys on a nice one!! :icon_thumright:
As far as the other guys goes, I have no way of knowing what happened, but If he parked there knowing you were already set up where you were, then that's pretty low.
My opinion regarding hunting from blinds really doesn't matter. Personally I don't use them, but I can't fault anybody else for using one and I sure wouldn't when it involved getting kids into the sport. In my opinion, whatever tools you chose to use and how you choose to hunt is a personal thing and I hope everybody else gets as much enjoyment out of the sport as I do, however you choose to go about it.
Bob