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Can't be real.
Anything for some thumbs up and likes from a stranger.
"6 people like this". Can't fix stupid. I'm waiting for the first fanner to get blasted in the face by TSS at about 35 yards.
And if it is real that's a perfect picture for hunter safety course teachers to use and show everyone how stupid people are that share the woods with us.
And just like that First Lite erases the photo. Instead they replace it with this...
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But yeah, these folks DO appear to be that stupid.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210515/c747ede49b8cea683bd3be06f79429fc.jpg)
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47 people liked us. I feel so much better now that I've been validated by
complete and total strangers.
What a screwed up world we live in.
Sooner the better that hunters quit supportimg the rape and pillage of turkey hunting via YouTube and social media. They ALL are a 100% detriment to our sport.
If this is real, This young man SHOULD NOT reproduce!
Sad seeing this this kind of stupid.....
I mean come on, "they've got numerous years experience," and when it comes to turkey hunting they, "seem to have figured it out."
Really sad to to see First Lite promoting and embracing this garbage. They make good stuff, and likely the best merino layers on the market. They seem to be a solid company but, Lord!, this is bad for the sport. Especially in a time when so many new turkey hunters are looking for guidance and this is what they see.
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World's full of idiots
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Stupidity at it's best. What gripes me about this is that it's allowed & legal. But not wearing hunter orange is illegal. So which do you think is the most dangerous?
I have a very uneasy feeling sitting near my DSD jake decoy sometimes. I couldn't imagine doing this.
Only thing might save that boy's life is how tight the chokes are nowadays.
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on May 14, 2021, 08:42:41 PM
I mean come on, "they've got numerous years experience," and when it comes to turkey hunting they, "seem to have figured it out."
Really sad to to see First Lite promoting and embracing this garbage. They make good stuff, and likely the best merino layers on the market. They seem to be a solid company but, Lord!, this is bad for the sport. Especially in a time when so many new turkey hunters are looking for guidance and this is what they see.
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Feel the same.. I've always liked their fusion camo and their stuff seems pretty nice quality. This though.. ugh.
It looks like something you'd see in an Ernest movie for laughs. In real life a stunt like this is beyond dangerous, especially on public land.
Give it time. Things will sort themselves out.
I think they're probably out of touch with most of the turkey hunting culture.
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Makes me sick. Cant fix stupid.
Hope they don't vote.....
Too much soy, not enough dairy.
Things like this usually sort themselves out. Survival of the fittest... Both physically and mentally.
Quote from: mikejd on May 14, 2021, 09:14:19 PM
Give it time. Things will sort themselves out.
i hope so. i just get the feeling that guys who hunt like this don't actually like turkey hunting. they just like killing things and like that tickle in their pants when they get a social media like
hopefully these trends pass and they go on to squirrel hunting
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I feel sorry for the person that accidently shoots one of these idiots.
Brain of an ice cube.
Ok Ill be "that guy."
Before I begin, I just want to clarify, you would NEVER catch me doing that.
BUT..
There is ZERO difference between wearing a strutter on your head, and standing behind a reaping fan.
None.
I will finish by saying, that I have never reaped a turkey. But, on private ground, Id be willing to give it a try once.
So. What is the difference, other than just looking like a dweeb?
Quote from: Pluffmud on May 15, 2021, 08:10:06 AM
Ok Ill be "that guy."
Before I begin, I just want to clarify, you would NEVER catch me doing that.
BUT..
There is ZERO difference between wearing a strutter on your head, and standing behind a reaping fan.
None.
I will finish by saying, that I have never reaped a turkey. But, on private ground, Id be willing to give it a try once.
So. What is the difference, other than just looking like a dweeb?
The contraption he's wearing on his head provides a great aiming point.
A fan provides no aiming point. But you're right - there's no difference.
I want to see how states react after somebody gets blasted in the face.
Turkey hunting used to be about the turkey. It's sad, but for many people today it's all about me, me, me!
Quote from: guesswho on May 15, 2021, 08:31:13 AM
Turkey hunting used to be about the turkey. It's sad, but for many people today it's all about me, me, me!
Yesterday afternoon I was sitting with the man who has really become a great mentor for me the last few years. He's sort of a living legend around here, just a hell of a woodsman and a hell of a turkey hunter. He'd never say that, of course, but anyone from this place knows him, knows of him, and knows that fact. Anyhow, I'd often wondered why he took me under his wing (and to be clear I'd killed a good number of birds for years before he started taking me along). But he got to talking about why he didn't like taking people anymore. And what it boiled down to is exactly what you're saying. It's the me, me, me, kill, kill, kill, post a picture online before I tote my bird and check my likes at the truck mentality that has infected so many. It's a cancerous mentality and it stretches much farther than things like turkey hunting. When I go with him most times I won't even tote a gun. I just want to watch him and learn. I just want to bear witness to the game being played. Now, I love killing them things, don't get me wrong, but the ones that I love the most, the ones that keep me up at night, are the ones that beat hell out of me time and time again. I think he sees that and respects it, and lucky for me it means I get to tag along.
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All it's going to take is one poacher and that guy will be a statistic!
Quote from: MISSISSIPPI Double beard on May 15, 2021, 09:54:19 AM
All it's going to take is one poacher and that guy will be a statistic!
100%. People like to act like this is okay on private land, but there's trespassers out there using rifles. Just because you're doing something "legal" does not mean it's smart, and even on your own private land you can't assume what others are doing, especially if they're illegally trespassing.
Hopefully more states follow suit to Alabama, Michigan and a couple others and make this totally illegal.
Play silly games = get silly prizes!
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In case any of you don't know, Jake Huebschman is "Jake" from "The Hunting Public" YouTube channel. This young man is probably over the moon since Jake liked his photo. I don't know for sure whether this is a stunt, or if he really used that head decoy. It doesn't matter because some idiot will make one himself in order to get a couple likes on Fakebook.
I'm embarrassed to be lumped in with them as a "turkey hunter".
Definitely a candidate for the Darwin Awards
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Quote from: MISSISSIPPI Double beard on May 15, 2021, 09:54:19 AM
All it's going to take is one poacher and that guy will be a statistic!
100%. People like to act like this is okay on private land, but there's trespassers out there using rifles. Just because you're doing something "legal" does not mean it's smart, and even on your own private land you can't assume what others are doing, especially if they're illegally trespassing.
Hopefully more states follow suit to Alabama, Michigan and a couple others and make this totally illegal.
It is ok on private land. Likes on Instagram is a culture issue in the hunting and fishing community right now for sure. What is also an issue, is government over reach, disguised as care and compassion, with intentions to widdle away at the Bill of Rights. If you think likes on Instagram is bad, Ill raise you one and argue that our future generations are softening as men and women due to being handed everything and protected from everything.
You are correct. Poachers poach, and you are not 100 percent safe on your own land. But quite frankly, if its not your land, its really not any of your business. Im assuming a risk when I reap on private land. That's MY decision. No one else should be on my land. They are breaking the law. If I am shot, thats unfortunate. I assumed that risk. It matters nothing to you, and you have no say regarding the matter, as it does not affect you. It is absolutely asanine for the govt to regulate me on my own property. If I want to pour gasoline on myself and try jumping through a burning tire while rolling on MY property, thats MY business. Is it stupid? Yes. Do others think its safe? No. Is it there business? Absolutely not, and they dang sure aint gonna tell me I cant. Same goes for anything else.
By all means. On public land, where it is for public use, and others safety are in danger, these things should be regulated. Not on private ground. I am responsible for my own safety, and I assume that liabilty. Id rather die a free man at a young age, than an old man who has had his liberties stripped from him.
decoys...
what a joke...
great for kids though...
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Quote from: MISSISSIPPI Double beard on May 15, 2021, 09:54:19 AM
All it's going to take is one poacher and that guy will be a statistic!
100%. People like to act like this is okay on private land, but there's trespassers out there using rifles. Just because you're doing something "legal" does not mean it's smart, and even on your own private land you can't assume what others are doing, especially if they're illegally trespassing.
Hopefully more states follow suit to Alabama, Michigan and a couple others and make this totally illegal.
It is ok on private land. Likes on Instagram is a culture issue in the hunting and fishing community right now for sure. What is also an issue, is government over reach, disguised as care and compassion, with intentions to widdle away at the Bill of Rights. If you think likes on Instagram is bad, Ill raise you one and argue that our future generations are softening as men and women due to being handed everything and protected from everything.
You are correct. Poachers poach, and you are not 100 percent safe on your own land. But quite frankly, if its not your land, its really not any of your business. Im assuming a risk when I reap on private land. That's MY decision. No one else should be on my land. They are breaking the law. If I am shot, thats unfortunate. I assumed that risk. It matters nothing to you, and you have no say regarding the matter, as it does not affect you. It is absolutely asanine for the govt to regulate me on my own property. If I want to pour gasoline on myself and try jumping through a burning tire while rolling on MY property, thats MY business. Is it stupid? Yes. Do others think its safe? No. Is it there business? Absolutely not, and they dang sure aint gonna tell me I cant. Same goes for anything else.
By all means. On public land, where it is for public use, and others safety are in danger, these things should be regulated. Not on private ground. I am responsible for my own safety, and I assume that liabilty. Id rather die a free man at a young age, than an old man who has had his liberties stripped from him.
The fact that you lament the "softening" of our culture and in the same breath equate the topic of this post with liberty and the Bill Of Rights is comical at best, flat sad at worst. "You may take my life but you will never take my strutter hat!"
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:TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
Right? Flat sad or comical, truly don't know which it is.
Enjoy getting shot in the face with a .270 from a trespasser, I guess?
Obviously there will be no intelligent conversation if you cant see past the strutter hat. The strutter hat is not the point. If you would like to live where you are regulated in every aspect of your life, feel free to pack all your belongings and move to Canada, France, or Mexico. Ill stay here with my strutter hat and have freedoms.
I reached out to First Lite Hunting to share my disapproval...as should everyone. We have to quite defending 'what is legal' and and ensure that we aspire as hunters to standards that are responsible for both the hunter and the turkey.
When he gets killed doing such a stupid thing I won't say "told you so", but I will be thinking it.
Quote from: GobbleGitr on May 15, 2021, 01:55:20 PM
I reached out to First Lite Hunting to share my disapproval...as should everyone. We have to quite defending 'what is legal' and and ensure that we aspire as hunters to standards that are responsible for both the hunter and the turkey.
Same goes for "what is illegal." New Mexico just made it "illegal" to trap on ANY public land, a knee jerk reaction to an already illegal trap set from a poacher. Now, because of one stupid person, their right to trap has been taken away. If you think for a second that pushing to outlaw reaping on private ground will stop there, you havent paid a bit of attention to your surroundings for decades. It will not stop until hunting is completely abolished. Instead of calling for more regulations, change the culture. These things eeb and flow. Calling for laws to regulate practices you dont approve of will undeniably result in collateral dammage and unintended consequences. It happens every time in the hunting world, because the people enacting these laws dont hunt. Therefore they dont understand what you are trying to do, and the majority of them really dont care, and just want to appease popular opinion. Perfect example, a turkey hunting organization recently pushed to outlaw rifles completely to turkey hunt in their state. They made it clear it was not about the right to bear arms, but personal safety in the field. Guess what? Now it has nothing to do with turkey hunting. It has turmed into a 2nd amendment debate, and all firearms are on the chopping block.
Go ahead. Push for more laws. You can blame no one but yourself when you are regulated straight to the living room couch.
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When he gets killed doing such a stupid thing I won't say "told you so", but I will be thinking it.
Before you comment, you should read the entire thread.
Quote from: Pluffmud on May 15, 2021, 01:51:03 PM
Obviously there will be no intelligent conversation if you cant see past the strutter hat. The strutter hat is not the point. If you would like to live where you are regulated in every aspect of your life, feel free to pack all your belongings and move to Canada, France, or Mexico. Ill stay here with my strutter hat and have freedoms.
I think you're missing the point. I don't really care if you get shot in the face, that's not my business. What is my business is when people are hunting in such a manner that abuses and takes advantage of the resource. That's why I don't like the strutter hat, or fanning, reaping etc.
Quote from: Pluffmud on May 15, 2021, 01:51:03 PM
Obviously there will be no intelligent conversation if you cant see past the strutter hat. The strutter hat is not the point. If you would like to live where you are regulated in every aspect of your life, feel free to pack all your belongings and move to Canada, France, or Mexico. Ill stay here with my strutter hat and have freedoms.
Yeah, I'd hate to be over there with the commies in France and Canada! Worst of all the French Canadians! You're already regulated on how you can hunt and kill turkeys. Name the state you live and I'll Google what you can and can't do. Most of those laws are in place to protect the resource and some of those laws are in place to protect people. Are all those current laws constitutional infringements? Should I be able to shoot a net gun over a winter flock, pick me out a bird flapping and flopping, and club him to death with a tire iron if that winter flock happens to be picking across my property? "People fought and died so I could club this turkey!!! What the hell is this MexEEEco?!?"
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Are you ok?
Quote from: Pluffmud on May 15, 2021, 12:12:14 PM
Quote from: HookedonHooks on May 15, 2021, 10:10:04 AM
Quote from: MISSISSIPPI Double beard on May 15, 2021, 09:54:19 AM
All it's going to take is one poacher and that guy will be a statistic!
100%. People like to act like this is okay on private land, but there's trespassers out there using rifles. Just because you're doing something "legal" does not mean it's smart, and even on your own private land you can't assume what others are doing, especially if they're illegally trespassing.
Hopefully more states follow suit to Alabama, Michigan and a couple others and make this totally illegal.
It is ok on private land. Likes on Instagram is a culture issue in the hunting and fishing community right now for sure. What is also an issue, is government over reach, disguised as care and compassion, with intentions to widdle away at the Bill of Rights. If you think likes on Instagram is bad, Ill raise you one and argue that our future generations are softening as men and women due to being handed everything and protected from everything.
You are correct. Poachers poach, and you are not 100 percent safe on your own land. But quite frankly, if its not your land, its really not any of your business. Im assuming a risk when I reap on private land. That's MY decision. No one else should be on my land. They are breaking the law. If I am shot, thats unfortunate. I assumed that risk. It matters nothing to you, and you have no say regarding the matter, as it does not affect you. It is absolutely asanine for the govt to regulate me on my own property. If I want to pour gasoline on myself and try jumping through a burning tire while rolling on MY property, thats MY business. Is it stupid? Yes. Do others think its safe? No. Is it there business? Absolutely not, and they dang sure aint gonna tell me I cant. Same goes for anything else.
By all means. On public land, where it is for public use, and others safety are in danger, these things should be regulated. Not on private ground. I am responsible for my own safety, and I assume that liabilty. Id rather die a free man at a young age, than an old man who has had his liberties stripped from him.
Wow. Started turkey hunting in the 1970's. Game laws have always been in place since i started. Always has been a season. Shooting hours. What sex and how many you can take. Had to buy or request a license/tags. Regulations on types of firearms and even shot sizes came later, no shot larger than 2's . Be safe stickers.
No baiting. Shooting from a vehicle and so on. Some of these regulations were put in place to protect the hunters safety. Still hunting in 2021 with most of those regulations still in place.
I don't believe nothing gives the antis more to use against hunting than a wounded or dead hunter shot by accident.
Never seen those laws be any different on public or private.
You may own your land but the wildlife regulations and care of it belong to the public. Believe i heard that somewhere.
I am in no means advocating for completley eliminating seasons or wildlife management practices. What I am saying is that, the answer to any issue defaults to more laws and regulations. Laws and regulations are needed. They are not always the answer, and it is a slippery slope. No rifles. No shotguns under 12 gauge. No shotguns period. No decoYs. No use of any turkey calls, whatsoever. One turkey every 5 years, only on private ground. Tags are by lottery, $2500 to enter the draw. Think it cant happen here? Take a good look at Australia. They would have laughed in your face if you told them a decade ago the regs they have now.
I am tired of being told I need to defend stupid sh*t or i'm anti this or that . This is just asinine . Stupid ,stupid and stupid !!!!
Quote from: Pluffmud on May 15, 2021, 03:45:45 PM
I am in no means advocating for completley eliminating seasons or wildlife management practices. What I am saying is that, the answer to any issue defaults to more laws and regulations. Laws and regulations are needed. They are not always the answer, and it is a slippery slope. No rifles. No shotguns under 12 gauge. No shotguns period. No decoYs. No use of any turkey calls, whatsoever. One turkey every 5 years, only on private ground. Tags are by lottery, $2500 to enter the draw. Think it cant happen here? Take a good look at Australia. They would have laughed in your face if you told them a decade ago the regs they have now.
Ok. So lets prevent all that. Maybe by preventing someone from being shot while hunting and giving the anti's something to work with.
Can only imagine what some non hunting people are saying about that pic? Look at the idiot?? What kind of nut puts on a GI helmet with a turkey decoy on it ? He is sponsored by whom?
The public eye is watching!
Quote from: tracker vi on May 15, 2021, 03:50:14 PM
I am tired of being told I need to defend stupid sh*t or i'm anti this or that . This is just asinine . Stupid ,stupid and stupid !!!!
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep! Me too!
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Quote from: Pluffmud on May 15, 2021, 03:45:45 PM
I am in no means advocating for completley eliminating seasons or wildlife management practices. What I am saying is that, the answer to any issue defaults to more laws and regulations. Laws and regulations are needed. They are not always the answer, and it is a slippery slope. No rifles. No shotguns under 12 gauge. No shotguns period. No decoYs. No use of any turkey calls, whatsoever. One turkey every 5 years, only on private ground. Tags are by lottery, $2500 to enter the draw. Think it cant happen here? Take a good look at Australia. They would have laughed in your face if you told them a decade ago the regs they have now.
Ok. So lets prevent all that. Maybe by preventing someone from being shot while hunting and giving the anti's something to work with.
Can only imagine what some non hunting people are saying about that pic? Look at the idiot?? What kind of nut puts on a GI helmet with a turkey decoy on it ? He is sponsored by whom?
The public eye is watching!
Absolutely. All it takes is one kid who doesn't know any better, who can't fathom the danger, has no mentor, but LOVES MeatEater and follows First Lite and they see them promoting this garbage so they go crawling through a field with a strutting gobbler on their head and someone shoots that kid in the face with a load of TSS at 50yds. What then?
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Then a massive can of worms opens up that we don't need
Pluffymud , I think your missing some of our points . To some of us older guys reaping etc cheapens the sport of turkey hunting ,,, period . To take a gobbler in this fashion In my eyes and most true turkey hunters I know is just despicable to put it lightly... the safety issue of it is a whole other deal .
I understand yall dont like it. I dont care for it myself. Putting a turkey on your head is stupid. Making it against the law to be stupid, is also stupid. Making blanket laws and bans to protect smart people from stupid people, is stupid. Stupid people will be stupid regardless. Hell, smart people get hurt from other smart people doing safe and legal things. Tell a man in SC he cant use a rifle and a grunt call to hunt deer on his own property because a poacher might trespass and "someone could get hurt." Same goes for turkey hunting with a fan on private ground. See how that conversation goes.
Quote from: Pluffmud on May 15, 2021, 03:45:45 PM
I am in no means advocating for completley eliminating seasons or wildlife management practices. What I am saying is that, the answer to any issue defaults to more laws and regulations. Laws and regulations are needed. They are not always the answer, and it is a slippery slope. No rifles. No shotguns under 12 gauge. No shotguns period. No decoYs. No use of any turkey calls, whatsoever. One turkey every 5 years, only on private ground. Tags are by lottery, $2500 to enter the draw. Think it cant happen here? Take a good look at Australia. They would have laughed in your face if you told them a decade ago the regs they have now.
You mention New Mexico and their knee jerk reaction to a poacher illegally trapping.
What do you suppose the knee jerk reaction to your face getting cratered in by a poacher with a .270 on your own private property while reaping? That's right, it don't matter to you it's your RIGHT to get shot in the face, and it will be the other turkeys hunters issue at hand getting their seasons taken away after you're gone. Excellent perspective to have.
You're right though. I'm just a young "softie".
Quote from: Howie g on May 15, 2021, 06:16:58 PM
Pluffymud , I think your missing some of our points . To some of us older guys reaping etc cheapens the sport of turkey hunting ,,, period . To take a gobbler in this fashion In my eyes and most true turkey hunters I know is just despicable to put it lightly... the safety issue of it is a whole other deal .
There's some young bucks that are right there with you in that train of thought, unfortunately not enough of us though. I've taken buddies first getting into the sport that I grew up with and they all ask the same thing, "can we crawl behind a Tom decoy if they hang up or something? It looks cool in videos I've seen." I simply tell them not if they're hunting with me, and not if they like living life.
Quote from: Pluffmud on May 15, 2021, 06:46:09 PM
I understand yall dont like it. I dont care for it myself. Putting a turkey on your head is stupid. Making it against the law to be stupid, is also stupid. Making blanket laws and bans to protect smart people from stupid people, is stupid. Stupid people will be stupid regardless. Hell, smart people get hurt from other smart people doing safe and legal things. Tell a man in SC he cant use a rifle and a grunt call to hunt deer on his own property because a poacher might trespass and "someone could get hurt." Same goes for turkey hunting with a fan on private ground. See how that conversation goes.
I don't like it. It's not because you or someone else might get shot in the
face. It's because it cheapens the hunt. I want it to be illegal not to save your face from being blown off, but to protect the wild turkey.
A wild turkey is extremely vulnerable to fanning, so much so that any nimrod with a fan can kill a turkey. A rule to outlaw fanning will protect the resource. Sorry you have such a hard time understanding that.
Ive never been brave enough to fan. When i was young and getting my hunters safety course the DNR officer administering the class told us all a very graphic story of man getting shot behind his decoy. Ever since then ive had a hard time understanding why anybody would want to hold a fan while calling like a turkey.
Quote from: HillclimberWV on May 15, 2021, 08:01:31 PM
Ive never been brave enough to fan. When i was young and getting my hunters safety course the DNR officer administering the class told us all a very graphic story of man getting shot behind his decoy. Ever since then ive had a hard time understanding why anybody would want to hold a fan while calling like a turkey.
It's because nowadays, it doesn't matter how you kill the turkey. It's all about whether you "got it done". The manner in which you took it means nothing anymore. Just gotta get those thumbs up and likes from people that they will never know. Makes me frickin' sick.
I think if I was that starved for attention I'd just stand in front of a Walmart naked. At least that way the most I'd get was arrested not shot in the face because I was stupid and wanted more people to see me online. I've been turkey hunting since 1974 and that tops every stupid thing I've ever seen. I agree, that kids picture with his headgear should be used nationwide in every hunter safety class. Dang, that just makes me cringe to look at it.
I just wish we could get back to the days when a man was a man. Prioritized God, family, and hard work. He stood for something, had some pride and a spine and didn't need to have his every wish granted as easily as possible. And he didn't need attention and validation from everyone. As a matter of fact he welcomed work and perseverance because he knew it made him a better person. There are still a few around and I am proud to know a few. They have a line in the sand on their principles and you aren't gonna get them to cross that line for anything. I also know a few that haven't seen the inside of church in decades but they are true men sure enough and I have a ton of respect for them. Even if I don't always agree with them. They still know right from wrong and you know where they stand. I really wish we had more like them around. I think the internet has hurt more than helped in this case.
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I think the thing I find the most funny about this is that not only did this kid think this was the greatest idea ever, but even first lite was like "oh yea, great caption to push turkey gear". And this picture is never going away hahaha it's going to be in hunter safety classes nationwide :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
Quote from: Happy on May 15, 2021, 08:58:40 PM
I just wish we could get back to the days when a man was a man. Prioritized God, family, and hard work. He stood for something, had some pride and a spine and didn't need to have his every wish granted as easily as possible. And he didn't need attention and validation from everyone. As a matter of fact he welcomed work and perseverance because he knew it made him a better person. There are still a few around and I am proud to know a few. They have a line in the sand on their principles and you aren't gonna get them to cross that line for anything. I also know a few that haven't seen the inside of church in decades but they are true men sure enough and I have a ton of respect for them. Even if I don't always agree with them. They still know right from wrong and you know where they stand. I really wish we had more like them around. I think the internet has hurt more than helped in this case.
Very poetically put friend. Those were the days no doubt when it was the norm and not the exception
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Quote from: turkeyfool on May 15, 2021, 09:19:52 PM
I think the thing I find the most funny about this is that not only did this kid think this was the greatest idea ever, but even first lite was like "oh yea, great caption to push turkey gear". And this picture is never going away hahaha it's going to be in hunter safety classes nationwide :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
what did you expect? bunch of cucks to begin with...
ARRGGGHHHH!!!
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Quote from: Pluffmud on May 15, 2021, 06:46:09 PM
I understand yall dont like it. I dont care for it myself. Putting a turkey on your head is stupid. Making it against the law to be stupid, is also stupid. Making blanket laws and bans to protect smart people from stupid people, is stupid. Stupid people will be stupid regardless. Hell, smart people get hurt from other smart people doing safe and legal things. Tell a man in SC he cant use a rifle and a grunt call to hunt deer on his own property because a poacher might trespass and "someone could get hurt." Same goes for turkey hunting with a fan on private ground. See how that conversation goes.
I don't like it. It's not because you or someone else might get shot in the
face. It's because it cheapens the hunt. I want it to be illegal not to save your face from being blown off, but to protect the wild turkey.
A wild turkey is extremely vulnerable to fanning, so much so that any nimrod with a fan can kill a turkey. A rule to outlaw fanning will protect the resource. Sorry you have such a hard time understanding that.
Make no mistake, there are plenty on this forum who have no problem with reaping. They simply dont want to put a target on their back so they are keeping quiet. Thats fine. Ill do it, because I see the hypocrisy, and Im not here to appease the mob.
The argument in this thread has not centered around the effectiveness of a fan.
You guys have been commenting more than once about "my face being cratered by a .270." You say it as if I use a fan myself (like you know anything about how I hunt or my hunting values), as if there is extensive data to show that people are being killed often from reaping, and as if you want it to hapoen to me, simply because I dont agree that it should be illegal on private ground.
If you were all so concerned about yours and others safety and bird numbers, you would all keep your turkey calls at the house. You would all cover atleast 50 percent of your body in blaze orange all the time. You would put up the shotgun and hunt only with a bow. You would have assigned stands on public and private land and you would not leave that stand. Until I see that happen among the turkey hunting community, its all just picking and choosing what you like and forcing it upon others. Its the same "me, me, me" mentality that you are accusing others of.
Ok , ok 0k pluffymudd , we get it . You've made your point . You stand for reaping gobblers , social media etc .
That's awesome that you stand for something besides watching your phone and playing silly games on computers .
Your rite , I don't know you , and don't know how you hunt gobblers ??
But , Let me issue you a challenge... next spring , go after a gobbler with just your calls , no visual aids " deeks " set down call one up to your gun without all the fans , deeks , blinds or whatever else . Call him up and watch the " wildness " of that gobbler . Get him close , real close ,,, not 60 yard close enough for tss close , I mean real close so it doesn't matter what shells your shooting will do fine . Do this , or try to do it , then report back to us and let us know how it felt ?? Oh ,and don't post it social , just enjoy it for yourself. Set there for a few , smoke a cigar , or my choice , eat a honey bun and swig black coffee ... after this , if you still want to be a social media reaper , then by all means , reap away my friend !!
Quote from: Howie g on May 16, 2021, 08:01:17 AM
Ok , ok 0k pluffymudd , we get it . You've made your point . You stand for reaping gobblers , social media etc .
That's awesome that you stand for something besides watching your phone and playing silly games on computers .
Your rite , I don't know you , and don't know how you hunt gobblers ??
But , Let me issue you a challenge... next spring , go after a gobbler with just your calls , no visual aids " deeks " set down call one up to your gun without all the fans , deeks , blinds or whatever else . Call him up and watch the " wildness " of that gobbler . Get him close , real close ,,, not 60 yard close enough for tss close , I mean real close so it doesn't matter what shells your shooting will do fine . Do this , or try to do it , then report back to us and let us know how it felt ?? Oh ,and don't post it social , just enjoy it for yourself. Set there for a few , smoke a cigar , or my choice , eat a honey bun and swig black coffee ... after this , if you still want to be a social media reaper , then by all means , reap away my friend !!
Wow. Youre right. You dont know me. And, if you have read the entire thread, you only absorbed what you wanted to. As is obvious from your post.
What I stand for is truth and freedom to live with limited government intrusion. There is not truth in suggesting that reaping is more dangerous than calling turkeys. Very few people have been shot while reaping. MANY people have been shot from using turkey calls. Yet, you all still do it, and arent calling to outlaw the use of calls over safety concerns like ive seen over reaping on this post. Its blatant hypocrisy, and just an excuse to outlaw something because its not the way you would do it, which leads to unintend consequences.
Quote from: bbcoach on May 14, 2021, 08:35:56 PM
If this is real, This young man SHOULD NOT reproduce!
Beat me to it.
Everybody has an opinion and I respect that. But comparing the safety concerns of using a turkey call versus crawling behind a fan is a bit of a stretch. There are idiots in the woods without a doubt, and you may get shot using either method. But one would require an idiot to shoot at a sound, the other would require them to shoot at a visual. Idiots ate idiots! But I think even idiots would rather have something to aim at. And statistically it would be like comparing people getting hit while riding a bike across an urban road or walking across a busy interstate. You can get hit doing either, but I like my chances crossing the urban road.
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Quote from: Howie g on May 16, 2021, 08:01:17 AM
Ok , ok 0k pluffymudd , we get it . You've made your point . You stand for reaping gobblers , social media etc .
That's awesome that you stand for something besides watching your phone and playing silly games on computers .
Your rite , I don't know you , and don't know how you hunt gobblers ??
But , Let me issue you a challenge... next spring , go after a gobbler with just your calls , no visual aids " deeks " set down call one up to your gun without all the fans , deeks , blinds or whatever else . Call him up and watch the " wildness " of that gobbler . Get him close , real close ,,, not 60 yard close enough for tss close , I mean real close so it doesn't matter what shells your shooting will do fine . Do this , or try to do it , then report back to us and let us know how it felt ?? Oh ,and don't post it social , just enjoy it for yourself. Set there for a few , smoke a cigar , or my choice , eat a honey bun and swig black coffee ... after this , if you still want to be a social media reaper , then by all means , reap away my friend !!
Wow. Youre right. You dont know me. And, if you have read the entire thread, you only absorbed what you wanted to. As is obvious from your post.
What I stand for is truth and freedom to live with limited government intrusion. There is not truth in suggesting that reaping is more dangerous than calling turkeys. Very few people have been shot while reaping. MANY people have been shot from using turkey calls. Yet, you all still do it, and arent calling to outlaw the use of calls over safety concerns like ive seen over reaping on this post. Its blatant hypocrisy, and just an excuse to outlaw something because its not the way you would do it, which leads to unintend consequences.
You're so simple minded on keeping your rights you can't see the difference in anything other than that they are both "legal freedoms".
By no means is using a turkey call against a tree to call a bird to you even remotely close to crawling behind a male turkey decoy. In both instances, if another hunter accidentally shoots the other hunter where would the liability fall? When a guy shoots camo movement behind a bush at a hen call, that's total negligence upon the person behind the trigger not identifying his target, the number one rule of hunter safety. When a guy shoots a small framed person fully hidden behind a gobbler decoy that just crested the hill, there was not total negligence of the person behind the trigger, they identified a moving male turkey and shot.
If you can't see the difference in this and understand that you're a lost cause. You say you can't argue the point with us, and you're right. I'll say it a third time, enjoy getting your face cratered in by a .270, and if not you, be it someone you know. Enjoy the following of that; turkey seasons in your state get questioned about whether they should even take place.
Hunting laws/regulations have existed a long time, assuming banning of reaping leads to total ban of turkey hunting is asinine. Someone getting shot in the face doing something stupid in the turkey woods, maybe that leading to the abolishment of turkey hunting doesn't seem as crazy.
I'm going to say this, then I'm out of this useless conversation. The reason I feel reaping should be outlawed has ZERO to do with safety ...
Quote from: Howie g on May 16, 2021, 09:38:02 AM
I'm going to say this, then I'm out of this useless conversation. The reason I feel reaping should be outlawed has ZERO to do with safety ...
My sentiments exactly!
Quote from: Howie g on May 16, 2021, 09:38:02 AM
I'm going to say this, then I'm out of this useless conversation. The reason I feel reaping should be outlawed has ZERO to do with safety ...
Well it should. While not everyone will agree it's not sporting to the turkey's, everyone should agree it is a safety issue, and that safety issue alone is a detriment to our sport. The other side of it not being ethical or sporting holds validity and is also a detriment to our sport for those that see it that way.
Pretty simple to me about why it should be banned/outlawed at least.
That's all for getting kills on video or social media posting.. nothing that i care to see or do in killing gobblers. I wish them well.. I see major problems with this kind of turkey killing.. I really wouldn't call it turkey hunting or fair chase. IMO...
Quote from: Howie g on May 16, 2021, 09:38:02 AM
I'm going to say this, then I'm out of this useless conversation. The reason I feel reaping should be outlawed has ZERO to do with safety ...
I'm about a 50/50 split. Safety/Efficacy. And with regard to safety, I could care less about any idiot in this thread, but I do genuinely worry about the kids without mentors who grow up idolizing YouTube heroes and Instagram hunters. I wish there were more solid models for them to follow.
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I won't even use decoys on public land. That scares the crap outa me.
Quote from: Jimspur on May 14, 2021, 08:10:05 PM
Anything for some thumbs up and likes from a stranger.
"6 people like this". Can't fix stupid. I'm waiting for the first fanner to get blasted in the face by TSS at about 35 yards.
And if that were to happen there's absolutely no way the "victim" could sue. Even the most rookie attorney could win that one.
Quote from: Turkeyman on May 16, 2021, 11:52:39 AM
Quote from: Jimspur on May 14, 2021, 08:10:05 PM
Anything for some thumbs up and likes from a stranger.
"6 people like this". Can't fix stupid. I'm waiting for the first fanner to get blasted in the face by TSS at about 35 yards.
And if that were to happen there's absolutely no way the "victim" could sue. Even the most rookie attorney could win that one.
I didn't think about the lawsuit implications. You're 100% right, no way
for them to win that lawsuit.
Instant gratification
Quote from: Tom Threetoes on May 16, 2021, 11:50:35 AM
I won't even use decoys on public land. That scares the crap outa me.
IMHO, you have good reason to be scared. I don`t blame folks for having to hunt on public land, but IMO there are just too many irresponsible people with firearms out there. Sure, I like to harvest a nice tom as much as the next guy, but a very important part of why I turkey hunt is to relax and enjoy the Spring woods. I don`t know at all if I could do that on public land worrying about some yahoo or 20 something year old that wasn`t raised responsibly.
My only issue with "reaping" (I hate that it's called that) is that it is such an effective method for killing turkeys. I know several hunters that tag out every single year because they can crawl at a dominant bird in a field behind a decoy. I think it probably has as much of an effect on turkey populations as anything else. I have done it before. Several years ago. And it's fun. But I grew up and realized that it's not turkey hunting. It's not what turkey hunting is really about and it requires exactly ZERO skill. With the way things are going today I honestly would like to see it made illegal. And like many have mentioned on here already it gets posted on social media and more people getting in to hunting are using it exclusively and then thinking they are turkey hunters. It's just a bad cycle and bad for the sport in my opinion
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Quote from: guesswho on May 15, 2021, 08:31:13 AM
Turkey hunting used to be about the turkey. It's sad, but for many people today it's all about me, me, me!
This is so true. Sad but true.
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If these dipshits didn't think it was so cool to be labeled a "turkey killer", these days, this crap wouldn't be so popular.
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Quote from: Chordeiles on May 18, 2021, 02:12:01 AM
If these dipshits didn't think it was so cool to be labeled a "turkey killer", these days, this crap wouldn't be so popular.
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I personally have far more respect for the birds than I do for a great many of the " hunters" pursuing them. I`ve almost reached the point that I feel that the birds need to be protected from some of these yahoos. The birds have enough going against them as it is.
Man that guy is so awesome aint he.
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Quote from: mikejd on May 14, 2021, 09:14:19 PM
Give it time. Things will sort themselves out.
:agreed: :bike2: