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Started by klemsontigers7, February 21, 2014, 09:04:05 AM
Quote from: klemsontigers7 on February 22, 2014, 09:27:12 AMClark would you like to trade boxes with me? I have 18 shells from this lot, I would prefer 7 size.
Quote from: highwaygun on February 22, 2014, 10:35:33 AMQuote from: klemsontigers7 on February 22, 2014, 09:27:12 AMClark would you like to trade boxes with me? I have 18 shells from this lot, I would prefer 7 size.that is a pretty funny statement after the conversation me and you had yesterday about penetration the other thread.
Quote from: klemsontigers7 on February 22, 2014, 10:37:40 AMQuote from: highwaygun on February 22, 2014, 10:35:33 AMQuote from: klemsontigers7 on February 22, 2014, 09:27:12 AMClark would you like to trade boxes with me? I have 18 shells from this lot, I would prefer 7 size.that is a pretty funny statement after the conversation me and you had yesterday about penetration the other thread.I think maybe there was some misunderstanding. When did I say Lead 7 was insufficient?
Quote from: klemsontigers7 on February 22, 2014, 10:57:47 AMI should make a statement since what I said was obviously misconstrued. I would love to shoot TSS #8 or 9. I think they, along with lead 7.5 would kill any turkey walking. I was just arguing the statement about TSS 9 hitting like lead 4. At 40 yds, the lighter but more dense pellet will have less drag (because of size) but it's part of the velocity equation determined by it's weight will be higher. These factors practically even out at 40 yds and both will be traveling very close to the same speed. The lead pellet will have 3 times the mass at the same speed meaning more hitting power. TSS may penetrate similarly into gelatin due to the size being much smaller. By carrying more energy, the lead 4 will perform better on a bird that isn't made of ballistics gel. His same effect is seen when shooting a 3/4" broadhead vs a 2" broadhead. Penetration into gel doesn't tell the whole story. Now, I'm not an idiot, I know TSS performance will be better due to hardness and density, but the availability of good lead shells today makes it a no brainer to me to shoot Longbeards. I don't think the difference is as large as most think.
Quote from: highwaygun on February 22, 2014, 11:08:35 AMAnd to your broadhead statement which one of those broadhead would get better penetration on a trophy buck shoulder?
Quote from: cluck on February 22, 2014, 09:56:51 PMI ain't a rocket man but I think Old Gobler is right! The Truth will be know after the season is over. I been wondering how that number 7 shot at over 35 yds is gonna kill that turkey at 70. When the boys come htome with their head hangin down and saying I just don't understand. Its winchesters reputation that's on the line. Don't misundrestand me I think they make good shells but these ranges are a joke. Its gonna be cry'in time. Is it election time yet, I want to here some real truth?(haha) cluck
Quote from: Old Gobbler on February 22, 2014, 06:23:25 PMLead is good , plenty good to kill any gobbler standing on the earth within 40 paces that's a fact , I have a opinion that the new Winchester longbeard is perhaps the best lead turkey load ever devised , ever - now best doesn't mean it's what you should use or be it right for your needs - something else may suit your needs - notice I didn't say it was the best turkey load , I said LEAD With that being said , all the drama doesn't revolve around the LB's ability to drop a gobbler at 40 yards , it was the over ambitious claims that raised eyebrows - I do think Winchester has a product that sells itself there is no need to spend money on expensive adds , tv time , add space on back pages of mail order catalogs etc.... And no need for tv personalities , nothing personal , I don't take any of those folks seriously , and I'm not in the minority by thinking that way . the tall claims ....well I'm not the public relations department for Winchester , so if people are unhappy this season because they bought into the hype on the tv , and the side of the box , and they had to sit there and watch a gobbler run off with a broken wing .....cause they did what the side of the box told them to do ....and shoot at a gobbler at 60 yards --- well that's Winchesters problem If your satisfied with shooting to 40 yards etc.... The issue is at rest-