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Title: Not turkeys but...
Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 07:27:45 PM
It'll do for now. Had this dog as a pup. Hunted him as a youngster. Guy I got him from asked to use him for breeding. Told him he could. Then he offered to buy him back from me. With running the business, I knew I didn't have time to hunt him last year. Was gonna be too busy. Ended up telling him to just come get him. He needed better than I could offer last year. Deal was, if he chose to get rid of him, I got him back. Very least a pup outta him when the time came. Guy had him for a year, ended up rebuilding his kennel and had several younger dogs to work. Asked if I wanted him back. Girls got pumped as did I. We drove the 4 hours to get him back and the girls made him ride in the back seat. So, without going any further, here's Koal. Some may remember seeing some pics of him as a year old pup. He's 3 now and shows no sign of giving up. I swear, if squirrels and turkeys were as big as deer, I'd never kill another deer again. Pics to follow.


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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 07:28:11 PM
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Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 07:28:34 PM
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Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 07:28:53 PM
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Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 07:29:18 PM
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Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 07:29:48 PM
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Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 07:30:20 PM
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Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 07:30:48 PM
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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 07:31:15 PM
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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 07:32:17 PM
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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 07:32:38 PM
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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 07:36:41 PM
Sorry for busting the pics up so much. Took several youngsters out this year for either their first time hunting ever or at least their first time with a dog. Both of my girls killed their first squirrels ever and honestly, that was the coolest thing ever. Watching my youngest ones reaction was the coolest thing ever. Needed lots of help but it was the most amazing thing to see. Really wish I could load the video. It was one of the coolest things to watch as a father. Very proud of both those girls. Exciting to see them take an interest in the outdoors and my oldest will be going turkey hunting with me again this year if all goes well.


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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: Spurs on February 18, 2019, 07:42:38 PM
Had this girl for 11 this October.  Busted a bunch of bushy tails with this ole gal.

(http://i.imgur.com/T82ZXTp.jpg)
Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: SteelerFan on February 18, 2019, 07:56:27 PM
Good stuff right there!
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Post by: ShootingABN! on February 18, 2019, 07:57:54 PM
Awesome!
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Post by: Gobble! on February 18, 2019, 08:04:51 PM
That's something I haven't done in years that I need to do. Good stuff.
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Post by: Sir-diealot on February 18, 2019, 08:10:50 PM
Great pictures and glad you got your dog back. Never hunted squirrel with dogs before, fox, coyote and coon but never squirrel. Love a good squirrel stew.
Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: Spurs on February 18, 2019, 07:42:38 PM
Had this girl for 11 this October.  Busted a bunch of bushy tails with this ole gal.

(http://i.imgur.com/T82ZXTp.jpg)
That's a day right there man. He'd not know how to act in squirrels that thick. Lol

Mostly small parcels of land here unless I get to run public. Don't typically get time to go that far these days tho. Keep it closer to home so it doesn't monopolize my time so much that I miss out on stuff with the girls. That's why I enjoy taking them along these days. Would love to get into thick squirrels like that tho. Congrats.


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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: cphill on February 18, 2019, 08:25:59 PM
I got a pair of them squirrel dogs myself...I enjoy running these dogs about as much as anything (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190219/3542d6095d5c68f242eac4159db138b0.jpg)

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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: M,Yingling on February 18, 2019, 08:30:06 PM
Good  looking dog ,, looks like u got mess of squirrels,,,Thats great way get the youngsters into hunting 
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Post by: Deputy 14 on February 18, 2019, 08:49:58 PM
Nothing like a good squirrel dog. I'm needing to get one since my kids are big enough to go now.
Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: M,Yingling on February 18, 2019, 08:30:06 PM
Good  looking dog ,, looks like u got mess of squirrels,,,Thats great way get the youngsters into hunting
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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 09:42:27 PM
Quote from: Deputy 14 on February 18, 2019, 08:49:58 PM
Nothing like a good squirrel dog. I'm needing to get one since my kids are big enough to go now.
Let me know man. If you don't mind a bit of traveling, I can hook you up with a guy that, I'm my opinion, produces the best dogs this side of the big river. Have yet to see s bad pup come off the property. If it doesn't hunt, it's the fault of the owner. And most just do it naturally. These dogs are bred properly.


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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: coyote1 on February 18, 2019, 11:19:58 PM
A ton of fun right there.You can't beat a good day of squirrel hunting. Good to see you got your dog back.

I'm going to chase some bushy tails this weekend. How do you train a dog for squirrel hunting? I have a Labrador/ German shorthair mix with a ton of energy.
Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: tomstopper on February 19, 2019, 01:10:46 AM
Very Nice. Congrats
Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: wvmntnhick on February 19, 2019, 03:33:59 AM
Quote from: coyote1 on February 18, 2019, 11:19:58 PM
A ton of fun right there.You can't beat a good day of squirrel hunting. Good to see you got your dog back.

I'm going to chase some bushy tails this weekend. How do you train a dog for squirrel hunting? I have a Labrador/ German shorthair mix with a ton of energy.
Not saying your dog can't because some labs do. And some guys will breed bird dog into the line (rarely admit it) to increase the nose strength but you'd be better off getting a breed known for treeing. How old is your dog?


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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: coyote1 on February 19, 2019, 01:42:51 PM
He is 7 but acts like a 2 year old. He will occasionally point a bird and is a duck retrieving machine. Probably too old to start him on squirells, I guess I was thinking out loud.
Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: wvmntnhick on February 19, 2019, 03:02:26 PM
Quote from: coyote1 on February 19, 2019, 01:42:51 PM
He is 7 but acts like a 2 year old. He will occasionally point a bird and is a duck retrieving machine. Probably too old to start him on squirells, I guess I was thinking out loud.
If he's already 7, I'd say start over. Get a good pup that's bred right and your job will be a lot easier. Seriously, they're just born with it. You'll need 2 pairs of boots though. Once the first pair is worn out, your dog should be doing what you want. You'll log plenty of miles while that pup gets started. But, once the light comes on and it turns the corner, it's all worth it. I've been fortunate though. Mine were all self starters and took very little work as far as training is concerned. Gotta keep them in the woods but I don't bother showing them easy/dead squirrels. And you're gonna have days when they're all over the place. You'll ask why he/she isn't treeing. They just gotta figure it out on their own. Koal took a bit longer than my old pup but he's doing very well at the moment and improves every time. Yesterday I watched one come down a tree and disappear. My buddy asked why I didn't shoot it. Wanted the dog to find it. Ran past us, hit the track and went straight to the tree. We let the young boy (guys son) with us shoot it. It's cool watching the dog work it out. I'd rather kill 3 with the dog than 6 without him.


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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: Dr Juice on February 19, 2019, 03:11:05 PM
Awesome!
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Post by: RutnNStrutn on February 19, 2019, 04:38:32 PM
Glad you got the pup back. Love to see the young un's getting in on the act!! :icon_thumright:
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Post by: wvmntnhick on February 19, 2019, 04:39:56 PM
Quote from: RutnNStrutn on February 19, 2019, 04:38:32 PM
Glad you got the pup back. Love to see the young un's getting in on the act!! :icon_thumright:
If I knew how to upload a video via TT, I'd share the one of my girls. They had a blast. Youngest ones reaction was amazing.


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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: Spurs on February 19, 2019, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: Spurs on February 18, 2019, 07:42:38 PM
Had this girl for 11 this October.  Busted a bunch of bushy tails with this ole gal.

(http://i.imgur.com/T82ZXTp.jpg)
That's a day right there man. He'd not know how to act in squirrels that thick. Lol

Mostly small parcels of land here unless I get to run public. Don't typically get time to go that far these days tho. Keep it closer to home so it doesn't monopolize my time so much that I miss out on stuff with the girls. That's why I enjoy taking them along these days. Would love to get into thick squirrels like that tho. Congrats.


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We hunt some public, but mostly small parcels of private.  I used to breed squirrel dogs when I was in college.  She came out of a gype I traded for a shotgun. :TooFunny:

I've been around some of the best, but she takes the cake. 
Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: wvmntnhick on February 19, 2019, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: Spurs on February 19, 2019, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: Spurs on February 18, 2019, 07:42:38 PM
Had this girl for 11 this October.  Busted a bunch of bushy tails with this ole gal.

(http://i.imgur.com/T82ZXTp.jpg)
That's a day right there man. He'd not know how to act in squirrels that thick. Lol

Mostly small parcels of land here unless I get to run public. Don't typically get time to go that far these days tho. Keep it closer to home so it doesn't monopolize my time so much that I miss out on stuff with the girls. That's why I enjoy taking them along these days. Would love to get into thick squirrels like that tho. Congrats.


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We hunt some public, but mostly small parcels of private.  I used to breed squirrel dogs when I was in college.  She came out of a gype I traded for a shotgun. :TooFunny:

I've been around some of the best, but she takes the cake.
Appears to be a cur. How far off am I?


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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: Spurs on February 19, 2019, 06:05:28 PM
Quote from: wvmntnhick on February 19, 2019, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: Spurs on February 19, 2019, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: wvmntnhick on February 18, 2019, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: Spurs on February 18, 2019, 07:42:38 PM
Had this girl for 11 this October.  Busted a bunch of bushy tails with this ole gal.

(http://i.imgur.com/T82ZXTp.jpg)
That's a day right there man. He'd not know how to act in squirrels that thick. Lol

Mostly small parcels of land here unless I get to run public. Don't typically get time to go that far these days tho. Keep it closer to home so it doesn't monopolize my time so much that I miss out on stuff with the girls. That's why I enjoy taking them along these days. Would love to get into thick squirrels like that tho. Congrats.


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We hunt some public, but mostly small parcels of private.  I used to breed squirrel dogs when I was in college.  She came out of a gype I traded for a shotgun. :TooFunny:

I've been around some of the best, but she takes the cake.
Appears to be a cur. How far off am I?


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Correct.  OMCBA.
Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: coyote1 on February 20, 2019, 02:24:48 AM
Quote from: wvmntnhick on February 19, 2019, 03:02:26 PM
Quote from: coyote1 on February 19, 2019, 01:42:51 PM
He is 7 but acts like a 2 year old. He will occasionally point a bird and is a duck retrieving machine. Probably too old to start him on squirells, I guess I was thinking out loud.
If he's already 7, I'd say start over. Get a good pup that's bred right and your job will be a lot easier. Seriously, they're just born with it. You'll need 2 pairs of boots though. Once the first pair is worn out, your dog should be doing what you want. You'll log plenty of miles while that pup gets started. But, once the light comes on and it turns the corner, it's all worth it. I've been fortunate though. Mine were all self starters and took very little work as far as training is concerned. Gotta keep them in the woods but I don't bother showing them easy/dead squirrels. And you're gonna have days when they're all over the place. You'll ask why he/she isn't treeing. They just gotta figure it out on their own. Koal took a bit longer than my old pup but he's doing very well at the moment and improves every time. Yesterday I watched one come down a tree and disappear. My buddy asked why I didn't shoot it. Wanted the dog to find it. Ran past us, hit the track and went straight to the tree. We let the young boy (guys son) with us shoot it. It's cool watching the dog work it out. I'd rather kill 3 with the dog than 6 without him.


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Thank you for the insight. Any particular breed better than other treeing dogs?
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Post by: wvmntnhick on February 20, 2019, 06:48:20 AM
Quote from: coyote1 on February 20, 2019, 02:24:48 AM
Quote from: wvmntnhick on February 19, 2019, 03:02:26 PM
Quote from: coyote1 on February 19, 2019, 01:42:51 PM
He is 7 but acts like a 2 year old. He will occasionally point a bird and is a duck retrieving machine. Probably too old to start him on squirells, I guess I was thinking out loud.
If he's already 7, I'd say start over. Get a good pup that's bred right and your job will be a lot easier. Seriously, they're just born with it. You'll need 2 pairs of boots though. Once the first pair is worn out, your dog should be doing what you want. You'll log plenty of miles while that pup gets started. But, once the light comes on and it turns the corner, it's all worth it. I've been fortunate though. Mine were all self starters and took very little work as far as training is concerned. Gotta keep them in the woods but I don't bother showing them easy/dead squirrels. And you're gonna have days when they're all over the place. You'll ask why he/she isn't treeing. They just gotta figure it out on their own. Koal took a bit longer than my old pup but he's doing very well at the moment and improves every time. Yesterday I watched one come down a tree and disappear. My buddy asked why I didn't shoot it. Wanted the dog to find it. Ran past us, hit the track and went straight to the tree. We let the young boy (guys son) with us shoot it. It's cool watching the dog work it out. I'd rather kill 3 with the dog than 6 without him.


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Thank you for the insight. Any particular breed better than other treeing dogs?
The vast majority of squirrel dogs are going to be either feists or curs. Feists will almost never be over 20#. Pops weighs about 21 and Koal might go 14. Curs will be bigger into that 30-50# range. Taller, more leg, etc. They're more hound-like. My wife is scared of dogs. Youngest daughter is terrified. The smaller dogs are less intimidating for both. Wife won't touch them unless she has to but my little girl has come to love these 2 dogs. I've had 2 curs over the years and many more feists. Keep saying the next will be a cue but yet I still keep going back to the feists. They rely more on their eyes and ears while curs have more of a nose. I get more den trees with curs than feists but pick up more layups with curs also. Having said that, this dog does just fine with layups so...

Best advice I can give (really took the long way around here), if you really think you wanna get into it, do some research and figure out whether you want a bigger dog or a smaller one. Find a reputable breeder. I'd be more than willing to help out. Have connections all over because of these little dogs. Can hook you up with someone real quick. And, if you know you're short on time or just don't wanna take the time to train one, find a good started dog. But, you'll never beat the bond you'll get by training/raising your own pup.


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Post by: Gobbler2577 on February 20, 2019, 02:54:08 PM
Your Koal looks a lot like my Max.  He's 14 months old and doing good.  Hes from Keith Landrum's line here in MS.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190220/18cd964d48a978f1846a7acafee56c98.jpg)

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Post by: cphill on February 20, 2019, 03:14:19 PM
Quote from: Gobbler2577 on February 20, 2019, 02:54:08 PM
Your Koal looks a lot like my Max.  He's 14 months old and doing good.  Hes from Keith Landrum's line here in MS.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190220/18cd964d48a978f1846a7acafee56c98.jpg)

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Post by: wvmntnhick on February 20, 2019, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: Gobbler2577 on February 20, 2019, 02:54:08 PM
Your Koal looks a lot like my Max.  He's 14 months old and doing good.  Hes from Keith Landrum's line here in MS.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190220/18cd964d48a978f1846a7acafee56c98.jpg)

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That's a sharp looking dog there man.


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Post by: wvmntnhick on February 20, 2019, 04:39:26 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190220/9bbd436928d4714808a16ed630ade8ef.jpg)
Dog on the left is Biz. On the right is Pop's (Popcorn). Biz died before he was 2. Diabetic. Didn't know it. He was like a VW beetle with a corvette motor. Had it all man. Miss that dog. What he was doing before he was 2 was what a lot of dogs are doing at 3-4 years old. Pop's has gotten older now. Doesn't see much time in the woods anymore. But, he's a good dog and did tree a few this year when he got out. Wish I had some other pics of Biz on my phone. None of the others transferred when I swapped phones.


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Title: Re: Not turkeys but...
Post by: coyote1 on February 20, 2019, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: wvmntnhick on February 20, 2019, 06:48:20 AM
Quote from: coyote1 on February 20, 2019, 02:24:48 AM
Quote from: wvmntnhick on February 19, 2019, 03:02:26 PM
Quote from: coyote1 on February 19, 2019, 01:42:51 PM
He is 7 but acts like a 2 year old. He will occasionally point a bird and is a duck retrieving machine. Probably too old to start him on squirells, I guess I was thinking out loud.
If he's already 7, I'd say start over. Get a good pup that's bred right and your job will be a lot easier. Seriously, they're just born with it. You'll need 2 pairs of boots though. Once the first pair is worn out, your dog should be doing what you want. You'll log plenty of miles while that pup gets started. But, once the light comes on and it turns the corner, it's all worth it. I've been fortunate though. Mine were all self starters and took very little work as far as training is concerned. Gotta keep them in the woods but I don't bother showing them easy/dead squirrels. And you're gonna have days when they're all over the place. You'll ask why he/she isn't treeing. They just gotta figure it out on their own. Koal took a bit longer than my old pup but he's doing very well at the moment and improves every time. Yesterday I watched one come down a tree and disappear. My buddy asked why I didn't shoot it. Wanted the dog to find it. Ran past us, hit the track and went straight to the tree. We let the young boy (guys son) with us shoot it. It's cool watching the dog work it out. I'd rather kill 3 with the dog than 6 without him.


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Thank you for the insight. Any particular breed better than other treeing dogs?
The vast majority of squirrel dogs are going to be either feists or curs. Feists will almost never be over 20#. Pops weighs about 21 and Koal might go 14. Curs will be bigger into that 30-50# range. Taller, more leg, etc. They're more hound-like. My wife is scared of dogs. Youngest daughter is terrified. The smaller dogs are less intimidating for both. Wife won't touch them unless she has to but my little girl has come to love these 2 dogs. I've had 2 curs over the years and many more feists. Keep saying the next will be a cue but yet I still keep going back to the feists. They rely more on their eyes and ears while curs have more of a nose. I get more den trees with curs than feists but pick up more layups with curs also. Having said that, this dog does just fine with layups so...

Best advice I can give (really took the long way around here), if you really think you wanna get into it, do some research and figure out whether you want a bigger dog or a smaller one. Find a reputable breeder. I'd be more than willing to help out. Have connections all over because of these little dogs. Can hook you up with someone real quick. And, if you know you're short on time or just don't wanna take the time to train one, find a good started dog. But, you'll never beat the bond you'll get by training/raising your own pup.


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I appreciate all the information. I have a long time hopefully to do my research. I won't get another dog anytime soon, I have 2 now. When the time comes my next one will be a breed for squirrel hunting, will raise it from a pup as that's the only way for me. I will definitely keep your offer in mind, may need help finding a good dog.