Had an interesting conversation this morning with a guy that hunts the 3500 acres that joins my 184. I met him last year at my gate before season. First impression was he's either arrogant or shy. Walked around like he smelled something on his upper lip all the time. Any way today is opening day of the Alabama gun season. I get to my property about 8:30. This guy parked right in the middle of my road about 100 yards from my front yard. I was able to drive around him but had to drive through some brush. I rather he not do that, but whatever, no biggie. His stand is about 20 yards off my property line, which I have no problem with because he is on his side. But I don't understand why he wants to hunt less than 20 yards from my property and less than 150 yards from my trailer when he has 3500 acres. Again no biggie.
I go out on the weekends and pull my camera cards, and do any work that needs to be done etc. My gate post rotted in to, which is about 50 yards from where he parked and maybe 70 to his stand. He's over a hill and can't see me but can surely hear me. I took a hammer and beat the clamps down so I could get the gate off. Then put a wrench on the big screw hinges that the gate sits on and beat them with the hammer to get them off. Also had to pry out the staples to release the barbwire. Then I did several other things that needed to be done. Started my generator etc. Rode my 4-wheeler to check my cameras and came back and did a few other little odds and ends. I was about to leave and I heard his Jeep start. He then rode into my yard and got out and explained to me how rude I was and he didn't appreciate all the noise I was making. He had waited all year for opening morning and I had ruined it for him and he would appreciate me if I would keep it quiet in the future if he's hunting blah blah blah. Now I'm easy to get along with and pretty dang generous but that didn't set well with me. I told him to blank off among a few other things. Then after I thought a minute I told him I'm a reasonable man and will take into consideration what he had said and I'd get back with him. I hope he's not hunting next Saturday, I'm putting the new pole down and mounting my gate back on. I'm not sure how I'm going to keep that chainsaw quiet when I cut the pole off to the right length. How would you handle someone telling you to keep quiet on your property while they're hunting?
My lease has a guy next to the north property line who shoots every day. I mean every morning and every evening just before dark.
Sometimes a few rounds, sometimes 50 or more rounds. I don't know if he does it all year, but he sure does it during deer season. I don't know if he's practicing a jerk trying to scare the deer off.
But he does it so much the deer are used to it and they don't even flinch when he's doing his thing.
I'm all for being neighborly but it's your land so by God you can do whatever you want on it. If he's going to hunt your line but complain about noise he should start wearing earplugs. I'd tell him to go pound sand.
Sounds like a jerk. I would make it a point to be even noisier next time. Maybe he will move farther from you
You should show him the picture of the buck you killed, I bet that would really make him happy ;D
You could put out a trail camera on the property line and check it every time he is hunting, that should send the message that it is your property and not his
If I hunt once next to a noisy neighbor, I'll blame the neighbor for making noise. If I hunt there again, I'll blame myself.
If he extends an invite to hunt his property, then maybe I'd consider not making much noise while he is hunting. Otherwise, I wouldn't give it a moment of consideration.
I really do see both sides of the argument, I hunted land that was wonderful until they started to let a Mennonite guy farm it, first he cut down a swale field that had been there for years when the owner had told him not to and now the deer are not there like they were, okay maybe a mistake, but then he started to come back into the fields where we were hunting every single year on opening day and at first light, he would not come any day but opening day so it was clearly intentional.
The only reason I bring this up is that I can understand him being upset about opening weekend, but if that is the only time you have to do it then he needs to grow up, be a man and deal with it. He has tons of other areas he can hunt from your description, so he could have easily moved to another spot.
I don't think saying what he said was necessarily wrong, but by the sound of it the way he said it was completely the wrong way. Like you said you are neighborly and maybe something could have been worked out for the future so that would not happen but he created a hostile situation by the way he addressed it. I don't know, I would see if it can be worked out among the two of you, you are neighbors but if he continues to act this way I would go ahead and tell him to pound salt and if he does not like it I would post up my land and tell him he can't even set foot on the property to retrieve a deer without permission, depending on how badly he acted I might even claim the deer as my own as would be my legal right though I would rather not go that way as it is not very sporting. Just my thoughts. I do hope you guys end up becoming friends.
Next Saturday, daytime firework display.
It's your property, you can do whatever you want to on it. If he truly has 3500 acres to hunt, he shouldn't be that close to the the property line, but once again, if he stays on his side, there's nothing you can do about that either. It seems that property lines always draw hunters. I had an issue with a guy that used to hunt on the property next to me. He would put his stand on the tree one foot on his property side with his stand looking over onto me. Warden told me there was nothing illegal about that until he put his foot on my side of the property line. Do what you have to do on your side. If it becomes too distracting for him, he will eventually move. When he put his stand so close to your property line, he took the chance of being disturbed by your activities. I would not go out of my way to annoy him, or disrupt him, but if I truly need to do something on my own land, I surely would.
If he's got that much land he should have no problem finding a spot just as good or better than where he's hunting now, far enough away that he can't hear any noise you make on your property. Sounds to me like he made a poor choice on where to hunt if he wanted silence.
To put this in perspective he has about 5 1/2 square miles to hunt and he and he has the audacity to come on your property and call you rude for working on your property. If he did not like the noise why did not he just move to the other side of the property where he probably would not have heard it? You must be a patient guy.
He was in the wrong. Simple as that.
Quote from: NCL on November 18, 2018, 09:04:08 AM
To put this in perspective he has about 5 1/2 square miles to hunt and he and he has the audacity to come on your property and call you rude for working on your property. If he did not like the noise why did not he just move to the other side of the property where he probably would not have heard it? You must be a patient guy.
Yeah, not to much bothers me. More important things than a deer or turkey. Most things roll of me like water off a ducks back.
Where he's hunting at would be considered the far backside of their property. The only thing I can think of is he's a fisherman. He's used to putting his boat in the water on the North shore then heads
heads all the way across the lake to fish the South shore. While people who put in on the South shore head for the North side of the lake to fish.
I would have been set off when the guy parked in the road and expects you to figure out how to get through. I don't have much time for people who act entitled. I wouldnt go out of my way to irritate the guy,but I also definitely wouldn't tip toe around him either.
There is a lot I'd tell him... first how to park, second I'd remind him who pays the taxes on my land.
I would say next weekend cut your post to size in 1" increments, dive the post with a hydraulic attachment on a skid steer and maybe have a concrete truck drop by to help anchor it. Don't forget some good tunes while you work and crank it to 11. When your done you could also go look for anther hog to put in the rear naked chokehold.
A squealing pig might be a bit much :TooFunny:
Is he parking on your property and blocking your access? If so I would call the sheriff and have it towed. I too am a easy going guy, but I have no tolerance for fools and asshats. I would not intentionally spook his deer, but if he ever thought it was Ok to stop and lecture me on my own property than we'd have issues and he'd understand real quick. I mean seriously his ethics and moral character are flawed. I absolutely would call the sheriff if he blocks the drive next week. He has to be trespassing unless he has a right-of-way. Even with a right-of-way he cannot block access.
Yes, he was on my road and more or less had me blocked, although I did manage to get around him.
This just got better. The guy complained to the land owner who I've known for over 30 years. The land owner called me and apologized for the way the man handled things. He said he went with the guy to his stand with him the same way he goes when he hunts to see what the fuss was about. The landowner told me the guys stand isn't just off the property line, it's actually on my side by about 10 feet. He told the guy to get his stuff and to not come back and that he would be getting his money back. I told the landowner that him being just over the line was no big deal, That I was just disappointed in the guys attitude. I also asked the landowner to inform the guy that I have asked him not to kick him out. Maybe hunt other stands on weekends if me tending to my property bothers him. I hate to see the guy lose a good place to hunt because of one sour conversation. I don't know if the land owner will tell him or not. The landowner did say the guy is a tool.
Quote from: guesswho on November 19, 2018, 02:24:28 PM
Yes, he was on my road and more or less had me blocked, although I did manage to get around him.
This just got better. The guy complained to the land owner who I've known for over 30 years. The land owner called me and apologized for the way the man handled things. He said he went with the guy to his stand with him the same way he goes when he hunts to see what the fuss was about. The landowner told me the guys stand isn't just off the property line, it's actually on my side by about 10 feet. He told the guy to get his stuff and to not come back and that he would be getting his money back. I told the landowner that him being just over the line was no big deal, That I was just disappointed in the guys attitude. I also asked the landowner to inform the guy that I have asked him not to kick him out. Maybe hunt other stands on weekends if me tending to my property bothers him. I hate to see the guy lose a good place to hunt because of one sour conversation. I don't know if the land owner will tell him or not. The landowner did say the guy is a tool.
Oh man that's rich.
Just shows that it pays to be nice to people. I have found that it is always better when you can get along with your neighbors because you will probably need them one day. You have a good attitude hating this guy lost his hunting privileges even after he was rude to you. He parking, blocking your road, was not a good move on his part, he also should have been sure he was where he was supposed to be before he went complaining to the landowner. I probably would have done just what your neighbor did. He knows that if you two guys have had a good neighbor relationship for all these years, it's not worth jeopardizing that for a few dollars.
Quote from: guesswho on November 19, 2018, 02:24:28 PM
Yes, he was on my road and more or less had me blocked, although I did manage to get around him.
This just got better. The guy complained to the land owner who I've known for over 30 years. The land owner called me and apologized for the way the man handled things. He said he went with the guy to his stand with him the same way he goes when he hunts to see what the fuss was about. The landowner told me the guys stand isn't just off the property line, it's actually on my side by about 10 feet. He told the guy to get his stuff and to not come back and that he would be getting his money back. I told the landowner that him being just over the line was no big deal, That I was just disappointed in the guys attitude. I also asked the landowner to inform the guy that I have asked him not to kick him out. Maybe hunt other stands on weekends if me tending to my property bothers him. I hate to see the guy lose a good place to hunt because of one sour conversation. I don't know if the land owner will tell him or not. The landowner did say the guy is a tool.
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This post has made me think of something and i'd like to ask the forum about it.
I like to fall turkey hunt and I have to say I have had more hunter conflict during fall turkey season and it is always with deer hunters....some of them do not think anyone but them are allowed in an area, regardless of permission or ownership. I understand they think I am spooking their deer, but what am I to do. My family also owns approximately 1,000 acres of farm and forest land. Deer hunters have been the source of most of our problems there as well. From trespassing to damage to having to referee disputes, we have openly discussed stopping all deer hunting. We do not have this issue with any other group. What makes deer hunting so contentious? Is it the trophy aspect that attracts asshats? I have widdled it down to one small group of guys on my land that are great guys and respect my wishes. Still every year they have problems running into people from neighboring properties, especially lease holders. Oh I hate land leasing with a passion, give an asshat enough money and he gets sole access to land he'd never get any other way....good ole American greed! I once had a guy in a deer stand threaten to shoot me for spooking his deer on a state forest, he plainly said I should not be turkey hunting on his spot! I am not proud of my response, but I unzipped and pissed right in front of him. I also told him only a fool threatens a man with a bow that is holding a gun. Next he learned I was a DNR employee and had some pretty powerful connections. Direct harassment of a hunter is against the law in Ohio. Ok I feel better for my rant.
Quote from: eggshell on November 20, 2018, 07:29:12 AM
This post has made me think of something and i'd like to ask the forum about it.
I like to fall turkey hunt and I have to say I have had more hunter conflict during fall turkey season and it is always with deer hunters....some of them do not think anyone but them are allowed in an area, regardless of permission or ownership. I understand they think I am spooking their deer, but what am I to do. My family also owns approximately 1,000 acres of farm and forest land. Deer hunters have been the source of most of our problems there as well. From trespassing to damage to having to referee disputes, we have openly discussed stopping all deer hunting. We do not have this issue with any other group. What makes deer hunting so contentious? Is it the trophy aspect that attracts asshats? I have widdled it down to one small group of guys on my land that are great guys and respect my wishes. Still every year they have problems running into people from neighboring properties, especially lease holders. Oh I hate land leasing with a passion, give an asshat enough money and he gets sole access to land he'd never get any other way....good ole American greed! I once had a guy in a deer stand threaten to shoot me for spooking his deer on a state forest, he plainly said I should not be turkey hunting on his spot! I am not proud of my response, but I unzipped and pissed right in front of him. I also told him only a fool threatens a man with a bow that is holding a gun. Next he learned I was a DNR employee and had some pretty powerful connections. Direct harassment of a hunter is against the law in Ohio. Ok I feel better for my rant.
I have seen this repeatedly thought out the years that access to hunting spot and sometimes even fishing get ruined because of a few jerks. It really comes down to respect, if someone gives you permission to hunt or access their property then a person should view the permission as a huge gift. The owner has trusted you to treat his property the same way he would treat his property. You are right though that as soon as money becomes involved everything changes.
Quote from: guesswho on November 19, 2018, 02:24:28 PM
Yes, he was on my road and more or less had me blocked, although I did manage to get around him.
This just got better. The guy complained to the land owner who I've known for over 30 years. The land owner called me and apologized for the way the man handled things. He said he went with the guy to his stand with him the same way he goes when he hunts to see what the fuss was about. The landowner told me the guys stand isn't just off the property line, it's actually on my side by about 10 feet. He told the guy to get his stuff and to not come back and that he would be getting his money back. I told the landowner that him being just over the line was no big deal, That I was just disappointed in the guys attitude. I also asked the landowner to inform the guy that I have asked him not to kick him out. Maybe hunt other stands on weekends if me tending to my property bothers him. I hate to see the guy lose a good place to hunt because of one sour conversation. I don't know if the land owner will tell him or not. The landowner did say the guy is a tool.
You are a nice guy, what a positive attitude you have. It sounds like the land owner may have already had issues with that guy.
Quote from: eggshell on November 20, 2018, 07:29:12 AM
This post has made me think of something and i'd like to ask the forum about it.
I like to fall turkey hunt and I have to say I have had more hunter conflict during fall turkey season and it is always with deer hunters....some of them do not think anyone but them are allowed in an area, regardless of permission or ownership. I understand they think I am spooking their deer, but what am I to do. My family also owns approximately 1,000 acres of farm and forest land. Deer hunters have been the source of most of our problems there as well. From trespassing to damage to having to referee disputes, we have openly discussed stopping all deer hunting. We do not have this issue with any other group. What makes deer hunting so contentious? Is it the trophy aspect that attracts asshats? I have widdled it down to one small group of guys on my land that are great guys and respect my wishes. Still every year they have problems running into people from neighboring properties, especially lease holders. Oh I hate land leasing with a passion, give an asshat enough money and he gets sole access to land he'd never get any other way....good ole American greed! I once had a guy in a deer stand threaten to shoot me for spooking his deer on a state forest, he plainly said I should not be turkey hunting on his spot! I am not proud of my response, but I unzipped and pissed right in front of him. I also told him only a fool threatens a man with a bow that is holding a gun. Next he learned I was a DNR employee and had some pretty powerful connections. Direct harassment of a hunter is against the law in Ohio. Ok I feel better for my rant.
I have much the same problem, my landlords kids allow me to hunt their land for turkey in the Spring and gun hunting in the Fall but I have asked about bow hunting and it is absolutely out of the question. Due to that response I am sure turkey hunting in the fall will also be out as it runs along with bow season and into the first week of gun season. Like somebody else has stated though when somebody gives you permission to hunt their land it should be treated as a gift. I have hunted other land before but nothing near as good as this land is and I do not want to do anything to jeopardize that so I follow their wishes. I have offered to buy then seed and whatnot to plant on the land as a way of saying thank you but they always say no. I am going to buy some for them this Spring anyway. Oh I asked if I could camp out for a few days in the Spring and was also told no because I would scare the turkey away. I just wanted to A. See if I could camp again now that I have better meds B. Try to put some turkeys to bed and C. save some money on gas. Once again their land their rules and I am grateful to be there.
If he was hunting 100 acres or so I might understand why he'd be a little irritated but the fact he's hunting that much property then chooses to hunt so close to you is his own fault. There is NO excuse at all in my opinion for pulling up on someones property and blessing them out unless you physically but him in danger by shooting towards him or something like that. He sounds like a jerk! I'd have his truck towed next time he parked in your drive to your property.
Quote from: guesswho on November 19, 2018, 02:24:28 PM
Yes, he was on my road and more or less had me blocked, although I did manage to get around him.
This just got better. The guy complained to the land owner who I've known for over 30 years. The land owner called me and apologized for the way the man handled things. He said he went with the guy to his stand with him the same way he goes when he hunts to see what the fuss was about. The landowner told me the guys stand isn't just off the property line, it's actually on my side by about 10 feet. He told the guy to get his stuff and to not come back and that he would be getting his money back. I told the landowner that him being just over the line was no big deal, That I was just disappointed in the guys attitude. I also asked the landowner to inform the guy that I have asked him not to kick him out. Maybe hunt other stands on weekends if me tending to my property bothers him. I hate to see the guy lose a good place to hunt because of one sour conversation. I don't know if the land owner will tell him or not. The landowner did say the guy is a tool.
Sounds like the landowner might be glad this happened.
Okay,...I'm callin' BS on this whole story. First of all, there can't possibly be anybody that is as big a D!psh!t as you make this guy out to be,...and second, there can't possibly be anybody that would be as nice to the guy as you have been. Yeah,...gotta be BS! ;D
You keep this up and I'll have to stop calling you a Goob.... :toothy12:
Quote from: GobbleNut on November 21, 2018, 07:59:25 PM
Okay,...I'm callin' BS on this whole story. First of all, there can't possibly be anybody that is as big a D!psh!t as you make this guy out to be,...and second, there can't possibly be anybody that would be as nice to the guy as you have been. Yeah,...gotta be BS! ;D
You keep this up and I'll have to stop calling you a Goob.... :toothy12:
Good thing I took my meds before I left the house that morning. ;D
Oh Gobblenut, I have to both agree and disagree with you old friend. There are tools that big and obnoxious I have run into them. I once had a man threaten to have me arrested on my family's own land (that one back fired big time). On the other hand if guesswho did respond as reported then he is a better man than me. I tend to react a little more abrasively to asshats. What I have found is the further east you come the more conflict there is over land and thus more asshats. I Have been treated quite well in my travels out west, but have had some real problems back here in the East.
Quote from: eggshell on November 22, 2018, 08:13:02 AM
Oh Gobblenut, I have to both agree and disagree with you old friend. There are tools that big and obnoxious I have run into them. I once had a man threaten to have me arrested on my family's own land (that one back fired big time). On the other hand if guesswho did respond as reported then he is a better man than me. I tend to react a little more abrasively to asshats. What I have found is the further east you come the more conflict there is over land and thus more asshats. I Have been treated quite well in my travels out west, but have had some real problems back here in the East.
Just so there is no confusion, Dana/eggshell, we definitely have our share of A-Holes out here, too. I have run into them occasionally,...just not near as many considering the amount of time I have spent out here as compared to "back there". I agree completely that it is mostly a function of population density, competition for the resource, and the ratio of public to private lands.
I am more surprised at Ronnie's/guesswho's response to the guy than I am the guy himself. Of course, that just reinforces why Ronnie is so well-liked and respected on these forums. Heck, with story's like this one, I am even beginning to think he is "OK". ;D :toothy9:
I get concerned when Gobblenut starts to think I may be ok. I've seen pictures of what he does to dead turkeys. :TooFunny:
I would tell him;
#1 - Don't park on my road, and block the access to my property or next time I'll have his vehicle towed.
#2 - If you don't want to hear me, don't hunt so close to my property!! Surely on 3,500 acres of land, the best spot can't be 20 yards from my property line, and 150 yards from my house.
#3 - You can obviously hunt there if you'd like to, but occasionally you're going to have to put up with me making noise.
Then I'd say, have a nice day and walk away. ;D
Once I found out that his stand was on my property, that would cross the line (no pun intended). That means he either intentionally hunted your land, or wasn't careful and considerate enough to identify property lines. I'd be glad he was gone.
I would say what is wrong w/ this gentleman is what's wrong w/ most of us. He thinks of himself much too much. The good Lord says to think of others more highly than you do yourself. You exemplified this with your dealings w/ him. The Good Book also says to not suffer fools, which you also show. It should be explained to him that if he acts as a fool he should be tolerant of the circumstances or find another place to erect his stand, or find out why the deer like your place so much....... 8)
Well I got my gate put back up this morning without any confrontations. No sign of the fellow. I haven't talked to the land owner anymore so I don't know if he let the man back in or not. I did have some good pictures and videos from there this morning.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4909/45119544955_94a8b5f0f5_c.jpg)
Just catching this. I've got a guy that hunts right on the edge of 140 piece of ground that I'm allowed to hunt. His ladder stand is literally in a tree that the fence is nailed to. Last fall, knowing he's shooting deer out of the field on my side of the line, I placed a ground blind right under his stand on my side. Only hunted it when he was there. He asked me what my deal was and I told him that fence line was the best location for the blind much like his stand. It allowed me to keep an eye on my field and his alike.
This year, no ladder stand.
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Good pics. In a couple years those will be good shooters, after they put on some more mass.
Actually just messing with you, they are nice bucks. I probably would pass them if I deer hunted, but they are fine bucks. I haven't deer hunted in 20+ years. When conflicts like yours became common it spoiled it for me. That was about the time that trophy hunting became more prevalent. when it became more about the antlers than the hunt I got out. We're not that fond of the meat anymore. I do like the summer sausage, but the guys who deer hunt my property deliver it to my door.
Oh yeah, they're safe from me. I figure all three of them will be long gone by the time I decide to go deer hunting again.
When someone gets to close they need a surprise pile. Eat some prunes and go for a walk. It's like putting a man on stand.
Quote from: SinGin on November 17, 2018, 09:23:42 PM
Next Saturday, daytime firework display.
HAHA. Guy sounds like a real loser.
Quote from: guesswho on November 19, 2018, 02:24:28 PM
Yes, he was on my road and more or less had me blocked, although I did manage to get around him.
This just got better. The guy complained to the land owner who I've known for over 30 years. The land owner called me and apologized for the way the man handled things. He said he went with the guy to his stand with him the same way he goes when he hunts to see what the fuss was about. The landowner told me the guys stand isn't just off the property line, it's actually on my side by about 10 feet. He told the guy to get his stuff and to not come back and that he would be getting his money back. I told the landowner that him being just over the line was no big deal, That I was just disappointed in the guys attitude. I also asked the landowner to inform the guy that I have asked him not to kick him out. Maybe hunt other stands on weekends if me tending to my property bothers him. I hate to see the guy lose a good place to hunt because of one sour conversation. I don't know if the land owner will tell him or not. The landowner did say the guy is a tool.
Sounds like acting like a clown really cost him. Good to hear.
Yep, he's gone. Talked to the landowner this past weekend. He said good riddance.
To be that brazen on land that you don't even own is mind blowing. Guess he never thought two land owners with bordering properties would know each other :bike2:
Glad to hear he is gone, sounds like things would have only gotten worse.
Quote from: guesswho on December 17, 2018, 03:42:48 PM
Yep, he's gone. Talked to the landowner this past weekend. He said good riddance.
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