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MDWFP commission is supposed to vote tonight on the proposed changes to limit NR license sales on public land in MS for 2022.

Bout time...

Rule 8.4 Passed:

-Raised non-resident 3-day and 7-day hunting license fees from $125 to $150
-Raised non-resident spring turkey permit fees from $20 to $50

Rule 3.1 Passed:

B. Non-Resident Draw Hunt

1. All non-residents must be drawn to hunt open public lands from March 15
– March 28.

2. Open public lands include National Forests, National Wildlife Refuges,
Corps of Engineers lands, etc., that have statewide seasons without special regulations. This
includes MDWFP-operated Wildlife Management Areas (WMA) that are open with no special
season or draw hunts during this time.


Can view the commission meeting here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFRFfDNtf1s

Good Deal thanks for the info Nathan.

Thank you for the info

Alabama, Florida, and Georgia will be hammered next year with out of state hunters. This will most likely create a domino effect. I hope Florida follows suit in the near future.

Quote from: St. Augustine Strutter on August 18, 2021, 08:51:53 PM
Alabama, Florida, and Georgia will be hammered next year with out of state hunters. This will most likely create a domino effect. I hope Florida follows suit in the near future.

No question Florida and Alabama will get hammered. I would think Tennessee will get a little more pressure than Georgia from NR hunters. Tennessee and Georgia now open on the same weekend, but Georgia public land opens a week later. Should be interesting to see...

Quote from: RND1983 on August 18, 2021, 09:06:43 PM

Quote from: St. Augustine Strutter on August 18, 2021, 08:51:53 PM
Alabama, Florida, and Georgia will be hammered next year with out of state hunters. This will most likely create a domino effect. I hope Florida follows suit in the near future.

No question Florida and Alabama will get hammered. I would think Tennessee will get a little more pressure than Georgia from NR hunters. Tennessee and Georgia now open on the same weekend, but Georgia public land opens a week later. Should be interesting to see...

If I'm not mistaken Alabama is looking to open public lands a couple weeks later next year as well.


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South Texas hunts are fixing to get real popular/pricey in my opnion. I haven't heard this approached much, but once those guys over there figure it out you'll be paying to play. The 4 bird hunts will be nonexistent. Prices will be near Florida prices for 2 bird hunts.

Funny what a small amount of money and the need for confirmation from random men can get ya........thanks YouTube and social media "hunters".  Pissing on hard working public hunters and telling us it's raining.

MS is capping the number of non-resident draw permits to 850 for the
first 2 weeks of the season on public land.

Quote from: Jimspur on August 19, 2021, 10:09:51 PM
MS is capping the number of non-resident draw permits to 850 for the
first 2 weeks of the season on public land.

They put all that effort into making a good change, then minimized it's effectiveness by leaving too many NR permits in the draw if that is the case.

Title is misleading... as a MS resident. I believe it was a big day for us residents more so than non residents. This will cut pressure by half at least. Thank you Jesus.. or MDWFP.

Quote from: TurkeyReaper69 on August 19, 2021, 11:32:32 PM
Title is misleading... as a MS resident. I believe it was a big day for us residents more so than non residents. This will cut pressure by half at least. Thank you Jesus.. or MDWFP.

They should have pushed opening date back 2 weeks and changed limit to 2 birds


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Quote from: deerhunt1988 on August 18, 2021, 04:56:46 PM
Raised non-resident 3-day and 7-day hunting license fees from $125 to $150
-Raised non-resident spring turkey permit fees from $20 to $50

Just like SC. Only increases the NR cost to hunt. At least SC reduced the NR bag limit by 1. Mississippi didn't even do that. Neither state raised resident costs or reduced resident bag limits. Resident hunters take a hell of a lot more birds than NR's do.
So the message to be taken from both states is that they really don't give a damn about increasing turkey numbers, they just want to appease the resident hunters by padding the state coffers from the wallets of NR's. How unfortunate for the turkey populations.

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Quote from: wchadw on August 20, 2021, 07:45:48 AM

Quote from: TurkeyReaper69 on August 19, 2021, 11:32:32 PM
Title is misleading... as a MS resident. I believe it was a big day for us residents more so than non residents. This will cut pressure by half at least. Thank you Jesus.. or MDWFP.

They should have pushed opening date back 2 weeks and changed limit to 2 birds


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100 % agree . Push season back , change limit to 2 adult gobblers . I'm glad to see them being pro active , but I don't see this being the answer .

You eat an elephant one bite at a time.... this was the first bite

I'm glad to see some changes being made. I believe a physical tagging system should be the next step

Quote from: Chad on August 20, 2021, 11:38:43 AM
I'm glad to see some changes being made. I believe a physical tagging system should be the next step

I agree, feeders should be outlawed during turkey season also.

Quote from: MISSISSIPPI Double beard on August 20, 2021, 12:26:53 PM

Quote from: Chad on August 20, 2021, 11:38:43 AM
I'm glad to see some changes being made. I believe a physical tagging system should be the next step

I agree, feeders should be outlawed during turkey season also.

I'm all for the old system Missouri had where you had to go to a check station.

Quote from: Jstocks on August 20, 2021, 02:09:05 PM

Quote from: MISSISSIPPI Double beard on August 20, 2021, 12:26:53 PM

Quote from: Chad on August 20, 2021, 11:38:43 AM
I'm glad to see some changes being made. I believe a physical tagging system should be the next step

I agree, feeders should be outlawed during turkey season also.

I'm all for the old system Missouri had where you had to go to a check station.

I was always awesome to stroll up to the check station with a bird!

Good deal.  Won't have to be worried about all the Arkansas tags at every gate on the Forest by my house for a few weeks.  Less pressure for easier working birds. Win


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Quote from: MISSISSIPPI Double beard on August 20, 2021, 12:26:53 PM

Quote from: Chad on August 20, 2021, 11:38:43 AM
I'm glad to see some changes being made. I believe a physical tagging system should be the next step

I agree, feeders should be outlawed during turkey season also.

Feeders should be outlawed altogether, period. If you can't kill a deer in the state of Mississippi without the help of supplemental feed, you outta take up another hobby. Anecdotal I know, but a lot of turkeys are killed in the early season that have been patterned to corn, by people who otherwise wouldn't even kill a turkey. Why the state allows it, especially in the North zone, with the spread of CWD imminent, is beyond me.

Somehow it's become the new normal.

I like your thinking J

Feeders are everywhere , not just Miss.

Quote from: tracker vi on August 20, 2021, 09:17:59 PM
Feeders are everywhere , not just Miss.

Yes they are. It always blows my mind when I kill birds that are full of corn.

There was feed before feeders. They need to stop the feeding for several reasons, one being the seed coatings that Dr Woods is researching, the other reason is if they enforced it seriously, like shutting down land and serious fines, then we could do some good. Feeding is bad for the deer and bad for the turkeys.

Quote from: J-Shaped on August 20, 2021, 04:14:10 PM

Quote from: MISSISSIPPI Double beard on August 20, 2021, 12:26:53 PM

Quote from: Chad on August 20, 2021, 11:38:43 AM
I'm glad to see some changes being made. I believe a physical tagging system should be the next step

I agree, feeders should be outlawed during turkey season also.

Feeders should be outlawed altogether, period. If you can't kill a deer in the state of Mississippi without the help of supplemental feed, you outta take up another hobby. Anecdotal I know, but a lot of turkeys are killed in the early season that have been patterned to corn, by people who otherwise wouldn't even kill a turkey. Why the state allows it, especially in the North zone, with the spread of CWD imminent, is beyond me.

Somehow it's become the new normal.

You are correct, except the first case of cwd was found in the central part of Ms.

   I would like  to read a few replys from  Arkansas Spring Turkey Hunters  on this subject. I have been watching- but nothing yet.
  My guess is most are happy with the new measure

   

Quote from: quavers59 on August 21, 2021, 03:41:02 PM
   I would like  to read a few replys from  Arkansas Spring Turkey Hunters  on this subject. I have been watching- but nothing yet.
  My guess is most are happy with the new measure

   

I've hunted MS four consecutive years. While I'm not necessarily happy with the new rules because it's going to limit my hunting in the future, something needed to be done for the residents. I thought 2020 was bad but this past spring took it to a whole new level. I have one spot that I can get away from people with a long walk and crossing a creek but I even found boot prints back there along with an almost unbelievable amount of vehicles parked along the road. I really hope it helps the population but I'm afraid it will be just as crowded as soon as the dates allowing everyone to hunt roll around.

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on August 20, 2021, 08:15:34 AM

Quote from: deerhunt1988 on August 18, 2021, 04:56:46 PM
Raised non-resident 3-day and 7-day hunting license fees from $125 to $150
-Raised non-resident spring turkey permit fees from $20 to $50

Just like SC. Only increases the NR cost to hunt. At least SC reduced the NR bag limit by 1. Mississippi didn't even do that. Neither state raised resident costs or reduced resident bag limits. Resident hunters take a hell of a lot more birds than NR's do.
So the message to be taken from both states is that they really don't give a damn about increasing turkey numbers, they just want to appease the resident hunters by padding the state coffers from the wallets of NR's. How unfortunate for the turkey populations.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Considering most NR leave the state empty handed I feel as if it's somewhat unnecessary. Only 40% kill one bird on public, and I believe less than 1% of NR kill their limit on public. I'm all for it, but kudos to the MDWFP for getting something done. Baby steps... hope we can accomplish more in the coming years.

Quote from: MISSISSIPPI Double beard on August 21, 2021, 10:43:39 AM

Quote from: J-Shaped on August 20, 2021, 04:14:10 PM

Quote from: MISSISSIPPI Double beard on August 20, 2021, 12:26:53 PM

Quote from: Chad on August 20, 2021, 11:38:43 AM
I'm glad to see some changes being made. I believe a physical tagging system should be the next step

I agree, feeders should be outlawed during turkey season also.

Feeders should be outlawed altogether, period. If you can't kill a deer in the state of Mississippi without the help of supplemental feed, you outta take up another hobby. Anecdotal I know, but a lot of turkeys are killed in the early season that have been patterned to corn, by people who otherwise wouldn't even kill a turkey. Why the state allows it, especially in the North zone, with the spread of CWD imminent, is beyond me.

Somehow it's become the new normal.

You are correct, except the first case of cwd was found in the central part of Ms.

Correct, but prevalence along the TN border is, in my opinion, grossly understated by MDWFP simply due to differences in testing availability like TN has done. Either way, I don't understand why on one hand the state wants to curb disease in wildlife yet continues to turn a blind eye to feeding corn. Guess everybody needs it to get pics of their "Hit List" bucks.

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on August 20, 2021, 08:15:34 AM

Quote from: deerhunt1988 on August 18, 2021, 04:56:46 PM
Raised non-resident 3-day and 7-day hunting license fees from $125 to $150
-Raised non-resident spring turkey permit fees from $20 to $50

Just like SC. Only increases the NR cost to hunt. At least SC reduced the NR bag limit by 1. Mississippi didn't even do that. Neither state raised resident costs or reduced resident bag limits. Resident hunters take a hell of a lot more birds than NR's do.
So the message to be taken from both states is that they really don't give a damn about increasing turkey numbers, they just want to appease the resident hunters by padding the state coffers from the wallets of NR's. How unfortunate for the turkey populations.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Always has been and always will be since there is a big political element involved most everywhere.  Watch and see Florida do nothing in the next few years.  I still remember my first trip to Big Cypress when I camped at Bear Island and had the only Florida license plate in the camp.  A one bird non-resident limit in Florida is a no brainer.  Won't happen.

Quote from: joey46 on August 23, 2021, 11:00:44 AM

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on August 20, 2021, 08:15:34 AM

Quote from: deerhunt1988 on August 18, 2021, 04:56:46 PM
Raised non-resident 3-day and 7-day hunting license fees from $125 to $150
-Raised non-resident spring turkey permit fees from $20 to $50

Just like SC. Only increases the NR cost to hunt. At least SC reduced the NR bag limit by 1. Mississippi didn't even do that. Neither state raised resident costs or reduced resident bag limits. Resident hunters take a hell of a lot more birds than NR's do.
So the message to be taken from both states is that they really don't give a damn about increasing turkey numbers, they just want to appease the resident hunters by padding the state coffers from the wallets of NR's. How unfortunate for the turkey populations.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Always has been and always will be since there is a big political element involved most everywhere.  Watch and see Florida do nothing in the next few years.  I still remember my first trip to Big Cypress when I camped at Bear Island and had the only Florida license plate in the camp.  A one bird non-resident limit in Florida is a no brainer.  Won't happen.

Native Floridian here, just like I said about MS I don't think a non rez one bird limit would do anything in FL. sure I know FEC gets more NR apps than the other SFL WMAs. But realistically speaking how many non res are going into Corbett or BC and killing a bird not to mention two. Sure the pan handle any other  CFL non quota areas would probably benefit from a one bird non rez limit. But no way the state would do such a thing. I'm willing to bet my life savings 99.5% of NR who kill 2 birds in FL are with an outfitter or own property. What we need is caps on NR license sales and draws for all public land.

Bump on this ....how did the Mississippi season go for you guys with all these new  regulations ?

I personally saw no difference in the number of vehicles that I usually see in the area that I hunt. 7-8 vehicles per mile of access road pretty much every morning for the first week.  It is what it is and you just roll with it. 

Quote from: TurkeyReaper69 on August 23, 2021, 04:57:34 PM

Quote from: joey46 on August 23, 2021, 11:00:44 AM

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on August 20, 2021, 08:15:34 AM

Quote from: deerhunt1988 on August 18, 2021, 04:56:46 PM
Raised non-resident 3-day and 7-day hunting license fees from $125 to $150
-Raised non-resident spring turkey permit fees from $20 to $50

Just like SC. Only increases the NR cost to hunt. At least SC reduced the NR bag limit by 1. Mississippi didn't even do that. Neither state raised resident costs or reduced resident bag limits. Resident hunters take a hell of a lot more birds than NR's do.
So the message to be taken from both states is that they really don't give a damn about increasing turkey numbers, they just want to appease the resident hunters by padding the state coffers from the wallets of NR's. How unfortunate for the turkey populations.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Always has been and always will be since there is a big political element involved most everywhere.  Watch and see Florida do nothing in the next few years.  I still remember my first trip to Big Cypress when I camped at Bear Island and had the only Florida license plate in the camp.  A one bird non-resident limit in Florida is a no brainer.  Won't happen.

Native Floridian here, just like I said about MS I don't think a non rez one bird limit would do anything in FL. sure I know FEC gets more NR apps than the other SFL WMAs. But realistically speaking how many non res are going into Corbett or BC and killing a bird not to mention two. Sure the pan handle any other  CFL non quota areas would probably benefit from a one bird non rez limit. But no way the state would do such a thing. I'm willing to bet my life savings 99.5% of NR who kill 2 birds in FL are with an outfitter or own property. What we need is caps on NR license sales and draws for all public land.

Florida will do nothing to help anything.  Everything is about money.  They need to charge non residents $500 for turkey permit and $300 for hunting license.  Living in the panhandle, 1st week of this season we had a ton of Alabama tags here.  I talked to a few different groups and they all came from north Alabama. 

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Quote from: Old Gobbler on April 15, 2022, 08:45:01 PM
Bump on this ....how did the Mississippi season go for you guys with all these new  regulations ?

I drive through n f almost daily . I saw just as many n r lic plates as in the past .

Quote from: joey46 on August 23, 2021, 11:00:44 AM
Always has been and always will be since there is a big political element involved most everywhere.  Watch and see Florida do nothing in the next few years.  I still remember my first trip to Big Cypress when I camped at Bear Island and had the only Florida license plate in the camp.  A one bird non-resident limit in Florida is a no brainer.  Won't happen.

Tell me about it. FWC is pressured by charter boat captains, fishing guides, marina owners and hotel owners, along with Osceola guides to not change anything for non-residents. Meanwhile, other states stick it up NR's keister's. Florida, instead caves to pressure and NR's hunt and fish for not much more than residents do. I'm glad I don't live there anymore. For many reasons!!

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Some areas appeared to had no change in  NR pressure while some had a noticeable change in pressure for the good.

Very well put rutnstrutn! Nothing done to help Turkey population's!!! I think to help out Turkey's, all non residents need to hunt their own states!! I don't know about other states, but Georgia's Turkey population is way down and has been in serious trouble for at least the last 5 years

I didn't get drawn for any areas I put in for. Plenty of out of stater's did. All about the money just like the alligator system. Thankfully I have private land leases to hunt.

Quote from: Old Gobbler on April 15, 2022, 08:45:01 PM
Bump on this ....how did the Mississippi season go for you guys with all these new  regulations ?

The public I have hunted the past 14 years did see a drastic reduction in NR plates, but still too many resident total hunters for the population of birds available. I hunted public exclusively first 2 weeks of season and had 0 encounters with a bird and 0 gobbles heard. Swapped over to private land and killed birds on back to back to back hunts and was done. The damage has been done to the gobbler populations on public where I hunt the past 2 years and it may never be the same. May as well give out unlimited free NR tags here as their is no more damage to be done.

Quote from: deadbuck on April 16, 2022, 01:01:10 PM

Quote from: Old Gobbler on April 15, 2022, 08:45:01 PM
Bump on this ....how did the Mississippi season go for you guys with all these new  regulations ?

The public I have hunted the past 14 years did see a drastic reduction in NR plates, but still too many resident total hunters for the population of birds available. I hunted public exclusively first 2 weeks of season and had 0 encounters with a bird and 0 gobbles heard. Swapped over to private land and killed birds on back to back to back hunts and was done. The damage has been done to the gobbler populations on public where I hunt the past 2 years and it may never be the same. May as well give out unlimited free NR tags here as their is no more damage to be done.

Yeah hunters (deer, turkey, duck, it don't matter) like to blame non residents but in the grand scheme NRs are a very small percentage and have less impact than locals. There's just too many dang hunters nowadays to spread the wealth. Gotta love social media

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Talked to a few Oosers that allegedly didn't know about the draw. 


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Quote from: MShillhunter on April 17, 2022, 09:54:15 PM
Talked to a few Oosers that allegedly didn't know about the draw. 


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With no more law enforcement then we have , it wouldn't surprise me if lots of people just took there chances !

Quote from: wchadw on August 20, 2021, 07:45:48 AM

Quote from: TurkeyReaper69 on August 19, 2021, 11:32:32 PM
Title is misleading... as a MS resident. I believe it was a big day for us residents more so than non residents. This will cut pressure by half at least. Thank you Jesus.. or MDWFP.

They should have pushed opening date back 2 weeks and changed limit to 2 birds


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Quote from: Howie g on April 17, 2022, 10:29:39 PM

Quote from: MShillhunter on April 17, 2022, 09:54:15 PM
Talked to a few Oosers that allegedly didn't know about the draw. 


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With no more law enforcement then we have , it wouldn't surprise me if lots of people just took there chances !

Yep, I have hunted mostly public for the last few years and have not been checked a single time. 


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It would have been a better situation if people would have just kept their mouths shut.  Even a fish would have had a better situation had he kept his mouth shut.