I knew things were bad but..................
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:o :TooFunny: Wow that is crazy!
That's a big pass for this guy.
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And it's on back order.
$18 per round?!?! Whew!
This is what it has come down to
https://www.tiktok.com/@kevindepines/video/6936384792401333510
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It'll change boys but not if we keep buying and hording. Supply and demand
That's just nuts. And to boot, TSS out of a 12 gauge, the ROI just ain't there.
Quote from: Turkeytider on March 17, 2021, 04:30:23 AM
That's just nuts. And to boot, TSS out of a 12 gauge, the ROI just ain't there.
Took me a minute ROI (return on investment).
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Glad I have a lot of lead shot stocked up. A price like that makes me want to throw up. I seen somewhere the other day, 22 long rifle shells were selling for 40 cent's a round.
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What is going on here?
Quote from: High plains drifter on March 17, 2021, 07:03:12 AM
What is going on here?
They know people will pay the prices. If we just stopped paying those prices they won't charge them. If it was anything but ammo/guns the government would be on them for price gouging. But if we continue to buy them at this price they will continue to charge them.
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Glad I stockpiled some!
I sold 9 boxes of Winchester double x 3.5-2-5, and 2 boxes of longbeard XR 3.5-2-5 yesterday and came out smelling like a rose. I went in and shelves were empty, asked him if he had any need for ammo and he said I will buy everything you want to sell. He offered me way more than I paid for them and since I don't shoot 3.5" 12 gauge anymore I fixed him up. Times are really crazy. I remember when I could buy the same box of shells I sold him for $12 and tax and that was not all that long ago.
Quote from: MO_HUNTER on March 17, 2021, 07:06:03 AM
Glad I stockpiled some!
I was a hoarder before it was cool also. Been buying ammo up for about the past 5 years. Not that I saw this coming on but if I saw a good deal on some in the calibers I needed I would buy 3 or 4 boxes of it each time
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Quote from: High plains drifter on March 17, 2021, 07:03:12 AM
What is going on here?
Well, I`ve always thought " gun control " could take more than one form. I`m not necessarily saying that that`s what`s going on, but the result`s the same if you starve them ( guns ) to death.
I know one thing...
If a man is willing to pay $1k-3.5k on a guided sub-species turkey hunt... the last thing I think he would bicker about is even $50 a shell if it meant stone dead harvested bird.
Hell, I think I would pay that for the light years of increased performance over the lead shot of yesteryear just to harvest a bird in my own county...good thing I don't have too
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And.....
if history repeats itself.
The shelves will be restocked one day, prices just above normal again and everyone will be happy with the new normal "cheap" ammo.
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If you can't take away the guns, take away the ammunition. Pretty apparent. What needs to happen here is competition. Pop-up small companies reloading various types of hunting ammo (for fair pricing). Not a hard thing to do. Watch what the big companies do, if they see competition that is for real, they will ramp up production. I think this is a supply/demand problem that the big guys think is temporary. Time will tell. Sad...
Quote from: Tom007 on March 17, 2021, 07:15:26 AM
If you can't take away the guns, take away the ammunition. Pretty apparent. What needs to happen here is competition. Pop-up small companies reloading various types of hunting ammo (for fair pricing). Not a hard thing to do. Watch what the big companies do, if they see competition that is for real, they will ramp up production. I think this is a supply/demand problem that the big guys think is temporary. Time will tell. Sad...
I don't know, I think if these big ammo companies could they would be making money now. I saw the new president if Remington (since they got reacquired from bankruptcy) in an interview the other day. He said that their plant in rome is getting ready to reopen and has been modernized and they will be running full capacity. Maybe I am just being optimistic, I just can't imagine the ammo/gun manufacturers being in bed with the government.
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Quote from: rakkin6 on March 17, 2021, 07:21:15 AM
Quote from: Tom007 on March 17, 2021, 07:15:26 AM
If you can't take away the guns, take away the ammunition. Pretty apparent. What needs to happen here is competition. Pop-up small companies reloading various types of hunting ammo (for fair pricing). Not a hard thing to do. Watch what the big companies do, if they see competition that is for real, they will ramp up production. I think this is a supply/demand problem that the big guys think is temporary. Time will tell. Sad...
I don't know, I think if these big ammo companies could they would be making money now. I saw the new president if Remington (since they got reacquired from bankruptcy) in an interview the other day. He said that their plant in rome is getting ready to reopen and has been modernized and they will be running full capacity. Maybe I am just being optimistic, I just can't imagine the ammo/gun manufacturers being in bed with the government.
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I agree with you, but wouldn't you think they would ramp up to meet supply. Are people buying Turkey TSS for self defense? I am miffed, I agree, optimism is needed, but this is unprecedented. Pretty much, it's unbelievable.....be safe...
People are buying whatever they can find, I was in the LGS the other day and overheard somebody ask the clerk which size steel shot would work for home defense. I just had to walk away. Glad I still have enough loose buckshot to roll my own if needed. Same with tss, I buy a couple of pounds in January to replace what I will use for patterning and the 2 birds me and my son get to shoot ( if we are lucky)
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Quote from: ManfromGreenSwamp on March 17, 2021, 07:11:59 AM
And.....
if history repeats itself.
The shelves will be restocked one day, prices just above normal again and everyone will be happy with the new normal "cheap" ammo.
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To a degree I agree with this. However when prices rise in a controled market it is unusual for prices to return to there prior normal. Same issues are impacting gas although the variables are a bit different.
These up spikes in price are becoming more and more regular. Anyone really interested in smoothing the curve should consider reloading. I reload with TSS for shotguns. I also reload for my rifles and pistols. Sure glad they are not charging CC fees on those 99.00 shells as that would be a sure deal breaker for me. LOL
Quote from: Turkeytider on March 17, 2021, 04:30:23 AM
That's just nuts. And to boot, TSS out of a 12 gauge, the ROI just ain't there.
$10 bucks a shell is REALLY hard for me to swallow. And I've heard others justify that! This ammo situation is just like our Toilet paper was during the height of COVID. PRIMO! TSS is a TOTAL WASTE in a 12 IMO!
I know here where I live in Tennessee people are buying ammo for calibers they don't even own to resell it for 4 times what they paid for it. Nothing worse than a fellow sportsman screwing another sportsman over.
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Jeez! Makes me feel better than I bought my heavi shot at $37/box! I cringed doing that but at least I had some. I also bought 3 boxes of .300 win mag at $71/box and nearly broke down in tears. This is the first time in my adult life I've seen this kind of craziness. I remember it happening during the start of the Obama administration but was in my teens and didn't really feel that sticker shock. I know I will be more like you all and not necessarily stockpile, but I won't be turning my nose up when the ammo I need is "low" priced.
I got lucky in the .300 win mag ammo department. I found some 180 grain Winchester Ballistic silvertip ammo on sale locally for $32.00 a box about a year ago before this all started and picked up 10 boxes. At the time I cringed at $350.00 but glad I did it now. And that's the exact ammo I shoot so it worked out good. Just looked some up the other and like you said everything I cod find in stock for the .300 is between. 70 and 80 a box
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Quote from: POk3s on March 17, 2021, 10:43:32 AM
Jeez! Makes me feel better than I bought my heavi shot at $37/box! I cringed doing that but at least I had some. I also bought 3 boxes of .300 win mag at $71/box and nearly broke down in tears. This is the first time in my adult life I've seen this kind of craziness. I remember it happening during the start of the Obama administration but was in my teens and didn't really feel that sticker shock. I know I will be more like you all and not necessarily stockpile, but I won't be turning my nose up when the ammo I need is "low" priced.
Just found this on federals website. I just picked up 2 boxes.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210317/ce5de37730a3e883885667430b528d78.jpg)
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Quote from: MO_HUNTER on March 17, 2021, 07:06:03 AM
Glad I stockpiled some!
Same here! Just before youth deer season last year, I tried to find some more Hornady low recoil slugs for my son, but none were available locally. And the few places I found them online had them priced like they were TSS. It was actually cheaper for me to just buy a new 350 Legend bolt action and several boxes of ammo the store had in stock. I'm glad I did, because by the time the regular deer season rolled around, there was no 350 Legend ammo anywhere.
Its not about the ability to make more, there is no supply. Just like all things, covid shut down a lot of plants, not only the ammo manufacturing ones but also ones that supply materials to them. So they are shut down, they are getting behind, cant get materials and now if they are up full and running again they have the orders from when they are closed and the ones that are happening now bc of all the increased demand and back orders. An ammo company might make 300 win mag at one point in the year, make a certain ammt and send it out. then re tool for the next caliber. Now they are only going to make the calibers that are selling and high demand. Thats why you cant find certain calibers and with the hughe increase of new gun owners also looking for ammo, they are so far behind it will take a year or more to catch up. I do not see the light at the end of this tunnel.
Ammo is currency if society collapses. I imagine it'll hold its value as well as anything else in an inflationary environment. I'm glad I bought three inch federal heavyweight 7's from Roger's last year. Have enough to last me a decade or more of spring seasons.
Ammunition companies are currently taking some advantage of the supply/demand issues... Of course inflation fits in there as well.
But, I promise the current administration is not unhappy about this. There is no doubt that if the gun and ammunition companies continue to take advantage of this with price gouging that more and more hunters (and shooters) will find other more affordable and accessible activities to engage in...
California could not get the guns so they went after the ammunition, and now I feel like this progressive administration is following along the same lines. They might not be able to get our guns, but they can make ammunition (and guns) unaffordable and/or unaccessible.
The short-term gains will eventually turn into long-term losses. I have to think that now would be a terrific time for a smaller company to enter the market with competitive pricing with good profit margins.... And make the larger companies start to scramble a bit.
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 17, 2021, 08:10:46 AM
Quote from: ManfromGreenSwamp on March 17, 2021, 07:11:59 AM
And.....
if history repeats itself.
The shelves will be restocked one day, prices just above normal again and everyone will be happy with the new normal "cheap" ammo.
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To a degree I agree with this. However when prices rise in a controled market it is unusual for prices to return to there prior normal. Same issues are impacting gas although the variables are a bit different.
These up spikes in price are becoming more and more regular. Anyone really interested in smoothing the curve should consider reloading. I reload with TSS for shotguns. I also reload for my rifles and pistols. Sure glad they are not charging CC fees on those 99.00 shells as that would be a sure deal breaker for me. LOL
This is kinda what I meant with "new normal"
I'm not good at articulating in text what I mean lol
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Quote from: Marc on March 17, 2021, 12:20:40 PM
Ammunition companies are currently taking some advantage of the supply/demand issues... Of course inflation fits in there as well.
But, I promise the current administration is not unhappy about this. There is no doubt that if the gun and ammunition companies continue to take advantage of this with price gouging that more and more hunters (and shooters) will find other more affordable and accessible activities to engage in...
California could not get the guns so they went after the ammunition, and now I feel like this progressive administration is following along the same lines. They might not be able to get our guns, but they can make ammunition (and guns) unaffordable and/or unaccessible.
The short-term gains will eventually turn into long-term losses. I have to think that now would be a terrific time for a smaller company to enter the market with competitive pricing with good profit margins.... And make the larger companies start to scramble a bit.
Sure, there`s more than one way to skin the gun control cat. Jack up the cost to the average Joe and/or make procuring and owning a firearm a colossal PITA. You don`t have to confiscate a thing. Might take a while, but it`s " death by a thousand cuts ".
I won't be buying any ammo this year, see where things continue to go from here. I certainly don't have enough to last a lifetime but I won't be taking part in that nonsense. I'd rather start shooting them with my bow and reusable ammo
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If ammo companies are kicking ammo out as fast as they say they are where is it all going? Nobody has anything in stock and I haven't found any place to order it. Who's getting all this ammo that is supposedly on backorder?
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Quote from: MO_HUNTER on March 17, 2021, 07:06:03 AM
Glad I stockpiled some!
Same here! Just before youth deer season last year, I tried to find some more Hornady low recoil slugs for my son, but none were available locally. And the few places I found them online had them priced like they were TSS. It was actually cheaper for me to just buy a new 350 Legend bolt action and several boxes of ammo the store had in stock. I'm glad I did, because by the time the regular deer season rolled around, there was no 350 Legend ammo anywhere.
that 350 is the cats meow for kids. Have one for my kids and they love shooting it! Heck I like shooting it.
I guess we can try and look on the bright side. America is becoming very well armed.
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Next, we will see shortage in BB guns/BB, pellet rifles/ pellets and paint ball guns/ paint balls.
We all have the ability to reload our own......then there will be a shortage of reloading equipment and components....
We are already there on reloading components.
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Quote from: POk3s on March 17, 2021, 10:43:32 AM
Jeez! Makes me feel better than I bought my heavi shot at $37/box! I cringed doing that but at least I had some. I also bought 3 boxes of .300 win mag at $71/box and nearly broke down in tears. This is the first time in my adult life I've seen this kind of craziness. I remember it happening during the start of the Obama administration but was in my teens and didn't really feel that sticker shock. I know I will be more like you all and not necessarily stockpile, but I won't be turning my nose up when the ammo I need is "low" priced.
Just found this on federals website. I just picked up 2 boxes.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210317/ce5de37730a3e883885667430b528d78.jpg)
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I shoot the Barnes TTSX out of my gun. It loves it.
I should add that I came across the same info mentioned early from Remington's (I believe) ammo manufacturer. They said they are making rounds as fast as possible and to remember they came from more of a gun friendly administration to this one where their sales were down 40%. That, mixed with COVID and having a depleted workforce meant that they were really behind the 8 ball when demand skyrocketed. They're trying, and as quick as they can make it, people are buying it.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019776962
our local walmart is about the only place i dont see price gouging of shells they get shipment every week i pretty much got it down when shelves are stocked lol but they dont get much of one brand at a given time
We need to email these businesses and remind them that we don't forget what businesses were doing the gouging.
I wouldn't pay it.That's crazy.
Never heard such belly aching about the price of ammo. Supply and demand plus a little gouging is the American way and has been going on for centuries. You are supposed to be Turkey hunters: show a bit of patience: the prices will eventually drop some. :smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-an
Luckily I have Browning TSS, so I'm good to go.
I'd never over pay for TSS 13/18 (pre COVID prices). For decades lead worked for me and I'd happily go back too it.
I FOUND SOME WINCHESTER LONG BREAD 20 GA. #6 SHOT FOR $40.00 A BOX I DID'NT NEED THEM WAS GOING TO GET THEM FOR MY BROTHER . I TOLD THE GUY JUST PUT THEM BACK . I HOPE SOME OF THE GUYS END UP EATING THIS HIGH PRICE AMMO ....
That Winchester Long Bread is good. Did you get a whole loaf or just a few pieces, white or wheat? ???? sorry I had to.
Quote from: briton on March 20, 2021, 04:14:41 PM
That Winchester Long Bread is good. Did you get a whole loaf or just a few pieces, white or wheat? ???? sorry I had to.
Long bread stuffs the turkey when you shoot it. Winchester ammo engineers are incredible!
Belly ache about how gas has shot up. Everything shooting up in price. I've found plenty of lead turkey loads at regular prices. Inside 40 yards kill just like tss. Dead is dead just done cheaper.
Never mind the prices, we just don't have any ammo. A buddy of mine called and said he couldn't find any 3 in lead 4... Let that sink in. I went to 3 big box stores today and not only were there zero shotgun shells of any kind but the only boxes of ammo were about a dozen boxes in some caliber I've never heard of. Looked like the reloading supplies were pretty picked over too.