Remington Filing Bankruptcy

[bbcoach]

I've said it before 99.9% of the complaints about 870s is with the cheap Express models. Spend some money and get a Wingmaster and you will have no issues. The model 700's same thing if you try to bargain hunt and buy a Wallmart Adl model you'll get what you pay for the higher end BDL is a better made gun. It's like everything else Remington couldn't keep the low end models the same quality as the high end models and make a profit. I hope Remington can make it thru this situation and not move production to China or Japan like Winchester.

Here in lies the problem, Quality!  Buy a Wingmaster, instead of an Express or a BDL over an ADL.  Why make a product if there are going to be issues?  Company names are associated with the products they sell, Good or Bad.  If Quality slips so does the company.  When a company makes a lesser product and the quality of that product slips or fails, that company has to except that and sometimes it ends bad.  The early Remington firearms were Quality Arms, many today are made with plastics which fail.  I hope Remington and others will learn from their mistakes and put Quality first.

[High plains drifter]

Remington 870 express, are cheap guns, but they are just the ticket for a lot of people.I would not buy one, but I have bought a few for realitives.

[LaLongbeard]

I've said it before 99.9% of the complaints about 870s is with the cheap Express models. Spend some money and get a Wingmaster and you will have no issues. The model 700's same thing if you try to bargain hunt and buy a Wallmart Adl model you'll get what you pay for the higher end BDL is a better made gun. It's like everything else Remington couldn't keep the low end models the same quality as the high end models and make a profit. I hope Remington can make it thru this situation and not move production to China or Japan like Winchester.

Here in lies the problem, Quality!  Buy a Wingmaster, instead of an Express or a BDL over an ADL.  Why make a product if there are going to be issues?  Company names are associated with the products they sell, Good or Bad.  If Quality slips so does the company.  When a company makes a lesser product and the quality of that product slips or fails, that company has to except that and sometimes it ends bad.  The early Remington firearms were Quality Arms, many today are made with plastics which fail.  I hope Remington and others will learn from their mistakes and put Quality first.

You want a smooth action and nice dark bluing buy a Wingmaster you want a Express it's gonna have cheap Matt finish synthetic stock and the action will be a little ruff when new. I guess Remington thinks if you can't afford the Wingmaster then your opinion doesn't matter ...I agree with Remington.

[bbcoach]

BTT.  Just saw this  https://www.yahoo.com/news/gunmaker-remington-files-bankruptcy-024501891--sector.html   Looks as if it's official, as of yesterday.  I hope they find a CEO that will get them back on track.

[kjnengr]

I've said it before 99.9% of the complaints about 870s is with the cheap Express models. Spend some money and get a Wingmaster and you will have no issues. The model 700's same thing if you try to bargain hunt and buy a Wallmart Adl model you'll get what you pay for the higher end BDL is a better made gun. It's like everything else Remington couldn't keep the low end models the same quality as the high end models and make a profit. I hope Remington can make it thru this situation and not move production to China or Japan like Winchester.

Here in lies the problem, Quality!  Buy a Wingmaster, instead of an Express or a BDL over an ADL.  Why make a product if there are going to be issues?  Company names are associated with the products they sell, Good or Bad.  If Quality slips so does the company.  When a company makes a lesser product and the quality of that product slips or fails, that company has to except that and sometimes it ends bad.  The early Remington firearms were Quality Arms, many today are made with plastics which fail.  I hope Remington and others will learn from their mistakes and put Quality first.

You want a smooth action and nice dark bluing buy a Wingmaster you want a Express it's gonna have cheap Matt finish synthetic stock and the action will be a little ruff when new. I guess Remington thinks if you can't afford the Wingmaster then your opinion doesn't matter ...I agree with Remington.

Agreed.  Not everyone needs or can afford the high end of that manufacturer's model.  Except for the guns I have won at charity events as raffle and door prizes, I have bought every single gun I own.  Not daddy or rich Uncle Moneybags.  Fresh out of college, I bought a "cheap" Remington ADL from Academy Sports and Outdoors for $330 in 2004 as my first rifle.  Yeah, it had an ugly plastic stock, plastic trigger guard, and other "shortcuts" but the barrel and the trigger were great and I couldn't afford to spend twice as much for the wood stock BDL.  Same with my first 870. 

I can now afford a little better of a gun and that's what I do when it's time for me to purchase one.


And as previously mentioned by a few, bankruptcy doesn't mean going out of business.  There are several types of "bankruptcy" and they are probably just restructuring their debt.  Some of the people they currently owe money to are going to get screwed.

[trkehunr93]

The gun control crowd is taking advantage of this though, good media hype for them  .  I say lets have a national conversation about men being fathers to their sons and getting people appropriate mental health care when it's needed.  Those are the two conversations that need to be had, I've had both with my 15 year old son and to a much lesser degree my 6 year old son because it's my responsibility as a father.   

[idgobble]

Remington has come close to bankruptcy another time in it's history. After the Civil War, when everybody had a gun, it almost went bankrupt but was saved by it's new Remington Rolling Block rifle which was the newest, hottest gun on the market because you could put a ready made cartridge into it and shoot at least 10 times a minute with a little practice. No more muzzle loading!  They went on to manufacture millions of Rolling Blocks and RBs were even used in WW2.  Rolling Blocks are getting more popular now with all the "cowboy action, and old single shot fans. More buffalo hunters used RBs than any other gun.  It was invented in 1858 by Leonard Geiger and he sold the patent rights to Rem. and helped them develop it further. The first ones were used in the last few months of the Civil War.  Geo. Custer had one at the Battle of the Little Bighorn but his troops hadn't received them yet. There were also RB shotguns made. It's actually the gun that won the West. Very interesting part of history and one of the most significant advancements in firearms ever made. Leonard Geiger deserves a lot more recognition for his ground breaking invention. I bet you never heard of him!

[captfire]

 :(I have some older Remingtons that are great guns . I got a ne Remington 870 bottom land last year rght before turkey season it was a real peace of JUNK would not hold a pattern at all no matte whit I shot . when Remington was in n.y. they had greatguns  BUT when they moved to MAYFIELD KY that's when they started putting out JUNK  if it says MAFILED KY on it its JUNK all my turkey gun now say MOSSBERG .....

[LaLongbeard]

:(I have some older Remingtons that are great guns . I got a ne Remington 870 bottom land last year rght before turkey season it was a real peace of JUNK would not hold a pattern at all no matte whit I shot . when Remington was in n.y. they had greatguns  BUT when they moved to MAYFIELD KY that's when they started putting out JUNK  if it says MAFILED KY on it its JUNK all my turkey gun now say MOSSBERG .....

You bought a Bottomland 870 last year new ....cool were did you find the time machine? Lol
The problem with the bankruptcy however it turns out usually means more corner cutting remember when Winchester made all ther Guns in the us? Not any more a lot of Japanese and other imports. Good news there are thousands of good Wingmasters for sale used that haven't even been broken in yet.

[fallsflight]

I've said it before 99.9% of the complaints about 870s is with the cheap Express models. Spend some money and get a Wingmaster and you will have no issues. The model 700's same thing if you try to bargain hunt and buy a Wallmart Adl model you'll get what you pay for the higher end BDL is a better made gun. It's like everything else Remington couldn't keep the low end models the same quality as the high end models and make a profit. I hope Remington can make it thru this situation and not move production to China or Japan like Winchester.

Exactly.  Everything is built to a price point and many people don't want to pay for a Wingmaster or a BDL 700.  To accommodate these people, there are other lines such as, the Express, 783, etc.  No way they can be produced with the same quality as the higher end guns and charge less.  It's the same in every manufacturing business that tries to accommodate everyone.  Like you said Phillipshunt, 99.9% of the complaints are with the less expensive models due to actions not being as smooth, etc. 


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[fallsflight]

:(I have some older Remingtons that are great guns . I got a ne Remington 870 bottom land last year rght before turkey season it was a real peace of JUNK would not hold a pattern at all no matte whit I shot . when Remington was in n.y. they had greatguns  BUT when they moved to MAYFIELD KY that's when they started putting out JUNK  if it says MAFILED KY on it its JUNK all my turkey gun now say MOSSBERG .....

You bought a Bottomland 870 last year new ....cool were did you find the time machine? Lol
The problem with the bankruptcy however it turns out usually means more corner cutting remember when Winchester made all ther Guns in the us? Not any more a lot of Japanese and other imports. Good news there are thousands of good Wingmasters for sale used that haven't even been broken in yet.

He probably bought number 81125, which is the 870 Super Magnum Turkey/Waterfowl model. 
Also Capt, Remington is still right here in NY, where they started, still producing quality shotguns and rifles. 


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