Supreme Court upholds obamacare

[mossy835]

Years ago I was laughed at (not to my face) for saying what we need is a Boston style tea Party! Well not so funny now is it. I agree with StinkPickle on the catastrophic illness as it happened to us with my father back in the 50's when he had a stroke and was crippled for life, we lost everything.
Sensible people know the medical industry needs an overhaul and things need to change but not this monstrosity we now have to deal with to make two mediocre politicians look good (Senator Kennedy and the first black president).
There may be some good ideas in the plan but overall it is a socialistic boondoggle that will ruin health care and shut down many businesses that feed your families. Come November we need three things:
1. Maintain control of the house
2. Take control of the Senate
3. Take over the White House
When this is done the President will have to toe the mark as we can influence and control his decisions (the President) like it or not if that does not happen we are in for more hard times beyond your imagination!!!!

[bird]

The Libs better hope that the feedup right don't decide that they've had enough and rise up cuz I'll betcha the right has more guns than the left and are more than happy to use them.

[coyotetrpr]

It was quoted in all the history books I read in school (The South will rise again). Maybe it is time?

[Sherrell]

It was quoted in all the history books I read in school (The South will rise again). Maybe it is time?

If the history books would be corrected like they should,it would show the heavy hand of Washington DC on the south was one of the major factors in the civil war...not slavery as some would want us to believe.

[savduck]

It was quoted in all the history books I read in school (The South will rise again). Maybe it is time?

If the history books would be corrected like they should,it would show the heavy hand of Washington DC on the south was one of the major factors in the civil war...not slavery as some would want us to believe.

Yep, it was about Taxes, not slaves.

[Will Shaver]

 ???I thought this was a site where you talked Turkey not a bunch of political BSSS. Take the good stuff out of Obamacare and throw the rest out and replace it with something else. This is the exact same health care that Romney got passed in Mass. and now he says its a bad deal??? Both the Republicans and Democrats are eating the same pig slop, both parties are full of crap. This year is the biggest yet for Freshman congressman, 155 new congressmen were elected in this term. Lets see if they try to change anything. I say vote them all out and set two terms to serve and no retirement and no benefits for the politicans, let them taste some of their own medicine.

[coyotetrpr]

. I say vote them all out and set two terms to serve and no retirement and no benefits for the politicans, let them taste some of their own medicine.

[mossy835]

???I thought this was a site where you talked Turkey not a bunch of political BSSS. Take the good stuff out of Obamacare and throw the rest out and replace it with something else. This is the exact same health care that Romney got passed in Mass. and now he says its a bad deal??? Both the Republicans and Democrats are eating the same pig slop, both parties are full of crap. This year is the biggest yet for Freshman congressman, 155 new congressmen were elected in this term. Lets see if they try to change anything. I say vote them all out and set two terms to serve and no retirement and no benefits for the politicans, let them taste some of their own medicine.

Yes but people learn and that may be why he now feels it is bad. We have discussed this and other issues since I joined this site if it bothers you don't read or participate in the thread if it does not then welcome.

[Turkey Trot]

I wish I could be there when they haul one of your rear ends into the emergency room when you heart stops beating..each and everyone of you will be singing a different tones on that day...you'll be begging for someone, anyone to help you so that you can see you family again... YOU'D better read what it actually says before unleashing all the hate mongering again. Ever had a loved one denied health care by an insurance company when they needed something!! Ever had a friend thrown off insurance when they got sick!! So, you don't think it's good to be able to keep your kids on while their in school. It's just like car insurance, everyone pays and when you need it, it will be there. I'm getting tired of paying my families plan while you pay nothing and run to the emergency room everytime one your kids gets hurt or your stupidity gets yourself hurt. THINK before some of you open and spew for this venom to each other. By the way, you don't like big government but you use the electricity, roads, bridges, communication system that it had provided you...I'm beginning to think there's some serious mental stated on this board!!! GEEEEZZZZZ...I wonder if you'll care in that emergency room when the Nurse or Doctor is a LGBT when their saving your life...what a collection of HYPOCRITS!!

I'm beginning to think that there is one kook on here for sure....and it is you.  Are you trying to get kicked off?  I don't think anyone reading your posts is going to believe that you are particularly educated or smart, or that you understand the problems when you buy into big lefty socialists' talking point of "something must be done, this is something, and therefore, it must be done."

And what is it with the reference to lesbian and gay doctors?  Are you keeping something in the closet that you don't want to tell us?

Further, what is it with allegations that people here are riding free with no insurance and taking kids to the ER?  The group here is hardly poor and is not an ostensibly suspect group for searching out a free ride.  Haven't you noticed they don't like Dimocrats.  

Do you want an effective mandate without expressly legislating for one?  I can tell you lefties how to have one, and that is to repeal the Emergency Medical Treatment And Active Labor Act.  Eliminate that burden on hospitals and insured patients, which presently forces treatment of uninsureds and reallocating the cost to paying customers.  Then, get out of the way and allow people with some sense to further reform poverty entitlements including welfare, foodstamps, govt housing, govt subsidized housing (HUD 362, Section 8, etc.), school lunches, Cellfare phones, Medicaid, etc., and place interim and lifetime limits so people cannot be lifetime freeriders.  Make them work and provide for themselves and their family and provide their own insurance.  Eliminating those freeriders would be an excellent start.  But liberals will never stand for it because they do not want to give up the patronage that buys votes for them.  They saw how union membership fell in WI when the unions lost the battle there, and the consequent loss of campaign funding.  The public unions there will never be the same, and the Dimocrap party never will be either because it lost the battle, lost the union money, and lost votes due to lost morale.

Then, fix the problems that actually need to be fixed instead of giving liberals and their cronies in govt agencies so much more control over the economy and our personal lives.  Healthcare has gotten progressively worse over the 50 year or so that the federal govt has gotten involved in it.  Every time it does something new, it forces providers to hire more staff that don't provide healthcare or generate revenue but merely add to overhead to deal with all the regulations.  Go into a doctor's office and count the people that provide services for patients and then count the staff that does pre-certification, billing/coding, collections, etc.  It is way out of balance, and it can all be traced back to govt intervention.  

The problems that need fixing affect maybe 10% of the population, and it makes no sense to wreck the entire system and give control to the govt in an effort to work on the 10% problem.        

[Old Gobbler]

Socialism /Communism does not work - this is a proven fact -this article has several fundamental postures that look to closely resemble Socialism -

look at the issues in Europe right now and let the issues that face them serve as a prime example -%25 unemployment in Spain -  we should try and steer well clear of mimicking their mistakes - heath care needs reform or regulation possibly , accountability with unfair distribution of payment and abuse  {free riders} the %10 mentioned in the post above - but not this 

[Turkey Trot]

Britain's NHS only kills off 130,000 old people per year with socialized care.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161869/Top-doctors-chilling-claim-The-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html#ixzz1yK7gbr7D

[Kylongspur88]

This was an article on another site. Couldn't get the link to work, but this is a copy and paste of the article. Interesting points and I for one am very glad the court took the position they did. Taxes can be repealed, but back stepping and reining congressional power under the commerce clause is another thing all together. The Supreme Court has to work within 200 years of established precedent when making decisions and even if a ruling seems to have one immediate effect, it may actually have another effect down the road. Roberts didn't close the door on anything with this ruling. If anything he left the door open for repeal, and if the question came back up after repeal the court could deny cert on political question doctrine.

If I ever get to meet Justice Roberts I'll gladly buy him a cold one.



Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts or his family, it's important that you think carefully about the meaning – the true nature — of his ruling on Obama-care. The Left will shout that they won, that Obama-care was upheld and all the rest. Let them.

It will be a short-lived celebration.

Here's what really occurred — payback. Yes, payback for Obama's numerous, ill-advised and childish insults directed toward SCOTUS.

Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That's how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can't compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.

Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn't have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax. This is also critical. Recall back during the initial Obama-care battles, the Democrats called it a penalty, Republicans called it a tax. Democrats consistently soft sold it as a penalty. It went to vote as a penalty. Obama declared endlessly, that it was not a tax, it was a penalty. But when the Democrats argued in front of the Supreme Court, they said 'hey, a penalty or a tax, either way'. So, Roberts gave them a tax. It is now the official law of the land — beyond word-play and silly shenanigans. Obama-care is funded by tax dollars. Democrats now must defend a tax increase to justify the Obama-care law.

Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — 'comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.' Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can't penalize the state by yanking other funding. Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in "national" health-care? Suddenly, it's not national, is it?

Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government's coercive abilities. He ruled that the government can not force the people to purchase products or services under the commerce clause and he forced liberals to have to come clean and admit that Obama-care is funded by tax increases.

Although he didn't guarantee Romney a win, he certainly did more than his part and should be applauded.

And he did this without creating a civil war or having bricks thrown through his windshield. Oh, and he'll be home in time for dinner.

Brilliant.

[mossy835]

That all sounds good but if you do not buy they can tax you as a penalty and why then all of the new IRS agents lined up and panting to take your money?
No I would not buy  him a beer I still believe he switched sides and left us hanging again but that is just my opinion.

[Turkey Trot]

Kylongspur88, that editorial is spurious.  People can fantasize about anything they want and pat themselves on the back, but that does not make it true or correct.  If calling it a tax and forcing Obama to live with it is such a great thing, why didn't the other 3 conservative justices and Kennedy jump on board?

The result:  Govt cannot rely on the commerce clause to force you from a state of inaction to activity but it can rely on a "tax" that the drafters and advocates said was not a tax and by dint of Supreme Court miracle can force you from inaction to action under the Tax and Spending Clause.  Just wonderful.

All the Dimocrat talking heads have been on the Sunday news shows stating with a straight face that it's not a tax and it's time to move on.

[870FaceLift]

Frank, you seem to be a confrontational person in general.  A few weeks back, you made a smartass comment on a classified item that I had listed.  If you don't like it here, leave.  I highly doubt anyone on here will lose any sleep.  Perhaps your point of view would be better received by those who are "occupying" Wall Street.