The numbers don’t lie

[gaswamp]

I do not like the fact that the guest on the podcast used a pseudonym.

[arkrem870]

It doesn't really matter if a state paid or not unfortunately. It was the wrong call by the state but these guys are promoting states that haven't paid just the same. And getting the same results in exploding hunter numbers, stressed resource, and pending regulation changes (loss of season for everyone). These guys will never admit they are a major problem even when given rock solid evidence.  They are either dumb or sociopaths if they believe what they are doing hasn't hurt turkeys and turkey hunting.

[sasquatch1]

I do not like the fact that the guest on the podcast used a pseudonym.

Does a fake name affect the data??


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[arkrem870]

Absolutely not. Not everyone wants their name plastered everywhere for recognition and nothing is wrong with that.

[gaswamp]

I understand yalls points but I just like the fact of someone standing behind their data and opinion

[Sixes]

I had no idea that states were paying incentives for out of state hunters to kill game.

I really hope that GA does not do that as we have way too many NR hunters anyway.

I don't have an issue with NR hunters (i know several from Florida that lease lands), but I think not only do we have too many, we need to raise the license fees tremendously and especially not GIVE away the resources.

300 bucks for 12 deer, 3 gobblers, 2 bears and unlimited hogs is not a bad deal.

[sasquatch1]

I understand yalls points but I just like the fact of someone standing behind their data and opinion

We don't know all the details of why there was an alias used.


And there's no opinion data to stand behind. It was given, if you don't believe it a few quick phone calls to departments could verify it, or a lot can be found on their websites


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[hotspur]

I'm not a big research guy so I'll just throw this out there , it seems like the past 7 or more years we have been getting some very heavy rains from March to June in louisiana. And this has probably been mentioned  before along the gulf coast

[falltoms]

I don't watch the YouTube crap. Just like professional sports, can't stand it. If enough people quit watching them maybe it will slow things down a little.

[cwedding]

I listened to it but quickly realized the guest was simply one the YT bashers from this forum hiding behind a pseudonym and repeating the same stuff that they post in this forum. If you keep up with this forum, then you've already seen everything that'll be discussed in the podcast.

I'll take your word for it seeing what I've seen here. I thought I was selfish till I saw some of the stuff posted on forums....I understand it sucks seeing more people in your woods every year, but it's not just the woods, it's the whole country and the whole world. Human population keeps going up, hunter population needs to keep going up if we want any say in the future of hunting. Yea it sucks bag limits will go down and seasons will shorten, but it is what it is. Let's just enjoy what we got, life is still good. I've heard more good than bad about the turkey hatch this year, so there's something to be positive about.


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I would genuinely like to hear your opinion on one main point discussed in the podcast.  Do you think it's good practice for states to use state funds to pay YouTube videographers to promote public land turkey hunting in states with obvious turkey population declines?   Do you think this directly correlates to an increase in hunting pressure on public lands, thus playing a role in the reduced hunter opportunity with an increase in restrictions such as reduced bag limits and season lengths?   Not the sole reason, but a role?

I know this question isn't for me but I'm going to throw out my input. Shane stated in an earlier post he was offered money by the dept of tourism for a state which he declined. After listening to the podcast it is clear and I think falsely so that the hosts think wildlife management is responsible for trying to promote hunting in their states. Dept's of tourism are most likely the culprit. Do you really think the gal in the tourism dept checked with the wildlife division before she cut a check to a promote tourism in her state through turkey hunting or if she even cares about the results to said wildlife for that matter. Her goal was to increase tourism. It's her job and she was very successful in the case of Tenn. That comes back to the point of Turkey's belonging to all residents of Tenn not just the hunters. Food for thought

The email I received confirming that payment was made to the influencers was from TWRA in Tennessee. They stated that they use the funds to promote R3 and use funds specifically from selling the hard card hunting and fishing licenses. Please feel free to research this further for yourself.

[El Pavo Grande]

I had no idea that states were paying incentives for out of state hunters to kill game.

I really hope that GA does not do that as we have way too many NR hunters anyway.

I don't have an issue with NR hunters (i know several from Florida that lease lands), but I think not only do we have too many, we need to raise the license fees tremendously and especially not GIVE away the resources.

300 bucks for 12 deer, 3 gobblers, 2 bears and unlimited hogs is not a bad deal.

Just based on a reference to GA in the podcast, the guest stated that one influencer had shared that the state of Georgia had paid to promote the state.  Increased license fees will be part of the equation moving forward, and I do agree that some need to raise license fees for non-residents. 

[cwedding]

I had no idea that states were paying incentives for out of state hunters to kill game.

I really hope that GA does not do that as we have way too many NR hunters anyway.

I don't have an issue with NR hunters (i know several from Florida that lease lands), but I think not only do we have too many, we need to raise the license fees tremendously and especially not GIVE away the resources.

300 bucks for 12 deer, 3 gobblers, 2 bears and unlimited hogs is not a bad deal.

GA is in partnership with at least one popular influencer. The influencer stated this fact on Facebook.


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[sasquatch1]

We need to embrace paying a lot more for these privileges while making sure the money is put forth to benefit what we are hunting.

Hunting is cheap, even for Nr for what you get and people cry about little increases. All while spending small fortunes on things like dip, cigarettes etc.

The amount of lands we get to hunt is massive for what we spend. Think diff just go try to purchase enough land to effectively hunt. Wma stamps and such are so cheap it's ridiculous and don't allow for more purchases.

Look at all of what Missouri accomplished since they get the funding.

Maybe then we could purchase more public lands and better habitat! We cry, but once it's gone it'll NEVER return.

You think things are expensive until you don't even have the option to buy them. Then you truly realize how good you had it.

The money just needs to be earmarked for wildlife enhancements and lands.


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[Paulmyr]

I listened to it but quickly realized the guest was simply one the YT bashers from this forum hiding behind a pseudonym and repeating the same stuff that they post in this forum. If you keep up with this forum, then you've already seen everything that'll be discussed in the podcast.

I'll take your word for it seeing what I've seen here. I thought I was selfish till I saw some of the stuff posted on forums....I understand it sucks seeing more people in your woods every year, but it's not just the woods, it's the whole country and the whole world. Human population keeps going up, hunter population needs to keep going up if we want any say in the future of hunting. Yea it sucks bag limits will go down and seasons will shorten, but it is what it is. Let's just enjoy what we got, life is still good. I've heard more good than bad about the turkey hatch this year, so there's something to be positive about.


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I would genuinely like to hear your opinion on one main point discussed in the podcast.  Do you think it's good practice for states to use state funds to pay YouTube videographers to promote public land turkey hunting in states with obvious turkey population declines?   Do you think this directly correlates to an increase in hunting pressure on public lands, thus playing a role in the reduced hunter opportunity with an increase in restrictions such as reduced bag limits and season lengths?   Not the sole reason, but a role?

I know this question isn't for me but I'm going to throw out my input. Shane stated in an earlier post he was offered money by the dept of tourism for a state which he declined. After listening to the podcast it is clear and I think falsely so that the hosts think wildlife management is responsible for trying to promote hunting in their states. Dept's of tourism are most likely the culprit. Do you really think the gal in the tourism dept checked with the wildlife division before she cut a check to a promote tourism in her state through turkey hunting or if she even cares about the results to said wildlife for that matter. Her goal was to increase tourism. It's her job and she was very successful in the case of Tenn. That comes back to the point of Turkey's belonging to all residents of Tenn not just the hunters. Food for thought

The email I received confirming that payment was made to the influencers was from TWRA in Tennessee. They stated that they use the funds to promote R3 and use funds specifically from selling the hard card hunting and fishing licenses. Please feel free to research this further for yourself.

The info I gathered on R3 from the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies is Tenn has a state mandate that allocates funds from the sale of lifetime licenses to people under the age of 16 to an endowment to help fund the fish and wildlife agency. The money is to be used to preserve, propagate, and promote fishing and hunting in Tenn.

From what it appears Tenn state assembly in an effort to secure and preserve hunting and fishing passed a law that allocates money to the promotion of hunting and fishing in Tenn along with funding to help the state wildlife agency. That's the take I get from what I've read in this link.
https://www.fishwildlife.org/law-research-library/law-categories/r3-mandates/tennessee-r3-mandates

So is it  that the TWRA funded the promotion of hunting and fishing in Tenn or is the funding provided by the state Assembly and mandated by law. Apperently in effort to preserve hunting and fishing Tenn passed a law to fund the promotion as well.

Back to "I'm from the govt and I'm here to help."

[Stoeger_bird]

We need to embrace paying a lot more for these privileges while making sure the money is put forth to benefit what we are hunting.

Hunting is cheap, even for Nr for what you get and people cry about little increases. All while spending small fortunes on things like dip, cigarettes etc.

The amount of lands we get to hunt is massive for what we spend. Think diff just go try to purchase enough land to effectively hunt. Wma stamps and such are so cheap it's ridiculous and don't allow for more purchases.

Look at all of what Missouri accomplished since they get the funding.

Maybe then we could purchase more public lands and better habitat! We cry, but once it's gone it'll NEVER return.

You think things are expensive until you don't even have the option to buy them. Then you truly realize how good you had it.

The money just needs to be earmarked for wildlife enhancements and lands.
You are exactly right! The money we pay to have access to all these public lands in our states in cheap! In my state for only $65 i can hunt/fish everything for a year and that price includes the WMA permit. $65! That's to low. If it was doubled   and earmarked for habitat improvements just think about how much better the public lands could be overtime. $130 and u can hunt over 1.5 MILLION acres. Thats still super cheap!


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