Jakes not breeding ?

[Paulmyr]

There's a saying about horse and water. I'll just leave it that.

[nativeks]

The study he sites about jakes no having viable sperm was done in TX on Rios and they found that 5-7% had viable sperm capable of fertilizing an egg.

[Howie g]

Didn't know there was sooo many turkeyoligist !

[dah]

 Someone help me out , I would like to know , Has a wildlife department  ever discussed or brought attention to sterile Jakes . A study by someone in Texas maybe is accurate , or not . What other agency"s at a high level  have also documented sterile jakes or publicly agreed with this conclusion . Not picking a fight , would like to know . 
  I hear it said that take the boss out of a breeding group and it will be days or even weeks before the hens will pick who they will mate with . They are careful who they choose to mate with , but yet some  will pick an infertile Jake ? I have witnessed Jakes breeding , so what I am seeing is mother nature during its season using infertile males and stupid females to further a species .
  Maybe sterile Jakes is the case , it just goes against nature , I can not think of another example of this in the animal kingdom , there are animals that have to mature to breed , but are they actually breeding or waiting their time .
  Just asking ?

[owlhoot]

Didn't know there was sooo many turkeyoligist !

Oh , populations dropping in a lot of states. Plenty of studies need done.

[Greg Massey]

The short answer is jakes contribute very little to reproduction. It's obvious that jakes are not developed and are not fully capable of producing the level of sperm needed to fertilize clutches, but i will agree they do try to breed with hens. Research has shown that very small percentage of jakes are just capable of sufficient breeding during their first breeding season. You have to realize as the spring season is going on gobblers testosterone levels continues to grow and it makes sense that a jakes level of testosterone will decrease in that first years as the breeding season whines down. Same with gobblers, coming back together into a flock, it's all a breeding cycle.. IMO....

[guesswho]

Just a question because I have no idea.   But if a Jake is not capable of breeding, then what about a Jenny?   Is she able to breed successfully?

[Greg Massey]

Just a question because I have no idea.   But if a Jake is not capable of breeding, then what about a Jenny?   Is she able to breed successfully?

No she still in training...

[Turkeyman]

Back in the trap and transfer days I read several accounts whereas hens and jake(s) were released in areas and breeding occurred.

[Spitten and drummen]

I find it amusing that some believe jakes wont or cant breed hens and about sperm not being viable. Hogwash. Thats the same as someone saying a young spike buck cant breed or be fertal. Utter nonsense. I say this because I have witnessed several times jakes breeding hens and poults being the result. Some with a spike and a doe.

Deer and turkeys are 2 completely different species with totaly different mating rituals. Actually deer have no rituals it's breeding by opprotunity. Not sure how comparing the 2 proves a point.

Thanks for enlightning me. I never knew deer and turkeys are 2 different species professor. I only speak of what I have seen over 40 years, granted several were tame turkeys. You say deer or opportunist? What do you think jakes are? You are as much of a biologist as I am. If you believe Chamberlains theory , and it is a theory , then have at it.

[Spitten and drummen]

Just a question because I have no idea.   But if a Jake is not capable of breeding, then what about a Jenny?   Is she able to breed successfully?

No she still in training...

Bahahaha!

[Spitten and drummen]

Y'all still have not realized that this Chamberland feller is a kook

X10

[Paulmyr]

THE EARTH IS FLAT!!!!!

[owlhoot]

Just a question because I have no idea.   But if a Jake is not capable of breeding, then what about a Jenny?   Is she able to breed successfully?

No she still in training...

HUh

[Howie g]

Just a question because I have no idea.   But if a Jake is not capable of breeding, then what about a Jenny?   Is she able to breed successfully?

The answer is yes ! Jenny and I have two children...