thanks for the recomendations gentleman. currently talking with bob fulcher, larry gresser, and marlin watkins. the big thing is my season is around the corner and this other guy really burned alot of my time where i could have been on the wait list of someone else. I have talked with al at one point and he is a nice guy and just a couple hours away to boot. my question is are his boxes tapered like a normal cost or are they square. this last one i got looks like a dang 1x1