I hunted my first 4 years as a kid with many close calls, and finally sh out my first spring gobbler when I was 15 with a Winchester Black Shadow with a short stock. My father still has it and I will use it from time to time. Its ugly and noisy. My buddy nicknamed it the black rattler, because of the dang noisy forearm.
But I still love that gun, and can't wait to teach my son how to hunt with it.