Currently I'm shooting the 3" long beard #6's. Could I achieve better results by switching to the federal tss #7's? I'm shooting a remington 870, 21" barrel with a .665 mad choke. Thanks for any advice.
Yes. You'll get more pellets, more kinetic energy per pellet, and a better pattern (in my opinion). From what I've seen, Longbeards' patterns are too tight for my liking.
Quote from: WorkingBirds on April 16, 2020, 12:16:13 PM
Currently I'm shooting the 3" long beard #6's. Could I achieve better results by switching to the federal tss #7's? I'm shooting a remington 870, 21" barrel with a .665 mad choke. Thanks for any advice.
More than likely yes. You'll have more lead #6s per oz compared to TSS #7s (222 vs 185). TSS however will hold its pattern longer and without a doubt penetrate more. If we're talking about limiting shots to 40 yards I doubt I would switch from the Long Beards to TSS #7s though. I would however switch to TSS #9s without question.
I look at it this way.
Longbeard crushes all other lead loads.
TSS crushes Longbeard.
I look at it this way.
Longbeard crushes all other lead loads.
TSS crushes Longbeard. That's a good observation there!!
Quote from: Magdump on April 16, 2020, 01:17:43 PM
I look at it this way.
Longbeard crushes all other lead loads.
TSS crushes Longbeard.
This...
TSS, you will never regret it. Find a good choke and never take it out.
Price you get more bang for your buck with XR vs Tss.
:welcomeOG: :OGturkeyhead:
Quote from: Ol timer on April 17, 2020, 07:13:32 AM
Price you get more bang for your buck with XR vs Tss.
This^^
Longbeard kills them quite dead!
A picture is better to decide XR #6 vs Fed#7 TSS Rem. 870 20 ga. 26" barrel.
Both them birds look pretty dead to me!
I like tss #7 for a 20 gauge but I purchased a 12 gauge 3" to shoot 3" tss #7 from this year.I bought a .640 fed tss choke,.675 undertaker and I just got the .660 trulock today.So far I would never even consider buying more tss from the first two chokes I sent it through as the lb #6 in 3" kills it.I am hoping to see what the .660 does tomorrow with the tss#7. So far I find it highly overrated in a 12 gauge.
Quote from: Ol timer on April 17, 2020, 04:46:48 PM
A picture is better to decide XR #6 vs Fed#7 TSS Rem. 870 20 ga. 26" barrel.
Both of those bird are dead at 25yds, but a quality trap load in #7.5 would be better at 25yds
if you want a better comparison to make a decision shoot again at 40yds
I shot Winchester Longbeards since they came out, instantly out shot all other turkey ammo on the market at the time!
BUT 3 years ago I grudgingly started using a Federal TSS as the first round in my turkey gun. The price was so high I hated to buy it! BUT it out shot the comparable size shot in Longbeards. BUY a considerable amount. I judge my pattern on a 10 inch circle at 40 yards. The pellet count on Winchester Longbeard No 6 was in the 160 neighborhood, The TSS 235 plud... and I believe the No 6 Winchester is equal to a No 9 TSS in penetration and knockdown.... .
Anyone get in on the crazy prices on Federal TSS at Cabelas online the other day? 410 for $14.99
12 for 18.99?
Quote from: longbeards on April 18, 2020, 07:13:24 AM
I shot Winchester Longbeards since they came out, instantly out shot all other turkey ammo on the market at the time!
BUT 3 years ago I grudgingly started using a Federal TSS as the first round in my turkey gun. The price was so high I hated to buy it! BUT it out shot the comparable size shot in Longbeards. BUY a considerable amount. I judge my pattern on a 10 inch circle at 40 yards. The pellet count on Winchester Longbeard No 6 was in the 160 neighborhood, The TSS 235 plud... and I believe the No 6 Winchester is equal to a No 9 TSS in penetration and knockdown.... .
Anyone get in on the crazy prices on Federal TSS at Cabelas online the other day? 410 for $14.99
12 for 18.99?
Yeah I bought the 12, I've been shooting long beard no.6 for the last 3 years and couldn't imagine needing a better round, but for that price I'm going to see how they perform out of a 870 with Carlsons .660.
Quote from: crow on April 17, 2020, 11:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ol timer on April 17, 2020, 04:46:48 PM
A picture is better to decide XR #6 vs Fed#7 TSS Rem. 870 20 ga. 26" barrel.
Both of those bird are dead at 25yds, but a quality trap load in #7.5 would be better at 25yds
if you want a better comparison to make a decision shoot again at 40yds
I hear what your saying but I don't use this 20ga.on shots for 40 yard shots. My numbers drop off to much at 40 will it kill maybe but I have a 12ga.for that. I max this 20 ga.yardage to about 30 yards.
Quote from: Ol timer on April 18, 2020, 08:40:47 AM
Quote from: crow on April 17, 2020, 11:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ol timer on April 17, 2020, 04:46:48 PM
A picture is better to decide XR #6 vs Fed#7 TSS Rem. 870 20 ga. 26" barrel.
I just sighted in my Weatherby SA-459 20 Gauge a couple days ago shooting Federal TSS #9's and got significantly more pellets at 40 yards than what you are showing at 25 yards. I realize I'm shooting 9's vs your 7's, but I would not hesitate at all to take a 40 yard shot at a turkey. Not sure why your pellet count is so low.
Both of those bird are dead at 25yds, but a quality trap load in #7.5 would be better at 25yds
if you want a better comparison to make a decision shoot again at 40yds
I hear what your saying but I don't use this 20ga.on shots for 40 yard shots. My numbers drop off to much at 40 will it kill maybe but I have a 12ga.for that. I max this 20 ga.yardage to about 30 yards.
Quote from: msm210 on April 18, 2020, 06:52:03 PM
Quote from: Ol timer on April 18, 2020, 08:40:47 AM
Quote from: crow on April 17, 2020, 11:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ol timer on April 17, 2020, 04:46:48 PM
A picture is better to decide XR #6 vs Fed#7 TSS Rem. 870 20 ga. 26" barrel.
I just sighted in my Weatherby SA-459 20 Gauge a couple days ago shooting Federal TSS #9's and got significantly more pellets at 40 yards than what you are showing at 25 yards. I realize I'm shooting 9's vs your 7's, but I would not hesitate at all to take a 40 yard shot at a turkey. Not sure why your pellet count is so low.
Both of those bird are dead at 25yds, but a quality trap load in #7.5 would be better at 25yds
if you want a better comparison to make a decision shoot again at 40yds
I hear what your saying but I don't use this 20ga.on shots for 40 yard shots. My numbers drop off to much at 40 will it kill maybe but I have a 12ga.for that. I max this 20 ga.yardage to about 30 yards.
I would not even carry a 20g if I limited my shots to 30 yards. TSS shines in the sub gauges at longer ranges: 40 or 50. My 20g will easily kill at 50 and 60 although I do not shoot but around 40 or 45 max. At 20 or 30 yards stick with LB. It's a very good shell and I use it in my 12 gauge. As for pellet count I just don't see the fancination with it. Turkey does not need 200 plus pellets in it to make a kill. I prefer a round even pattern at 40 -50. To get there try different chokes you will eventually find the right combination. As for cost you can start out with regular trap loads then adjust to the more expensive shells. Cost seems to be a major factor to many about TSS. I rcommend you stay with LB or another cheaper shell. Save your self some stress just because your buddy has it or you have read it on this or another forum does not mean you have to have it.
Bottom line if you are doing your part and calling in a Turkey to 20 - 40 yards either TSS or LB will work just fine.
Quote from: WorkingBirds on April 16, 2020, 12:16:13 PM
Currently I'm shooting the 3" long beard #6's. Could I achieve better results by switching to the federal tss #7's? I'm shooting a remington 870, 21" barrel with a .665 mad choke. Thanks for any advice.
I shoot 3" #6 longbeards as well but recently jumped on the sale at basspro and ordered a box of federal tss #7s (#9s not legal in Indiana). Here is a picture of a couple shots I took yesterday. 25 and 40 yards. Tristar g2 viper turkey 12 gauge with a Carlson longbeard choke.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200420/ba206176fb5276506dcfb22a0c6e99e7.jpg)
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Anyone get in on the crazy prices on Federal TSS at Cabelas online the other day? 410 for $14.99
12 for 18.99?
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I called myself looking for the sale, but I couldn't find them at those prices. I'll check again.
Magdump said it correct! Have 2 Remington's, 870 and 11187 set up for turkey...My first turkey guns....TSS will out shoot longbeard everytime beyond 30 yards...BUT PREFER 9s!!
I made the switch to a 20ga and I wouldn't hesitate to shot one beyond 40 yds.
Shot my SX3 20 ga with ninja TSS 8.5 Shot.
Barrel length is 26 inch.
Sight-Burris FF3
Carlson 575 choke.
Shots are 20yds, 30yds, 40yds and 50yd shots.
Note: I did change POA after 20 yd shot because it was a tad high.
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Quote from: g8rvet on April 17, 2020, 04:53:14 PM
Both them birds look pretty dead to me!
It`s always amused me at the hairs that are split when it comes to " evaluating " different loads. How many pellets in a turkey`s head and neck does it take anyway? Big gaps in the pattern? That`s a different story.