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Title: Hypothetical question
Post by: Happy on March 03, 2018, 04:19:52 PM
I am hunting a new chunk of ground this spring. The only think that separates this new ground is a river. However this river is the border between the two states I hunt. Both chunks are heavily hunted leases. Theoretically if I were to call a bird in to the river bank and kill him from the other side which side do I check him on for? The state he was standing in or the state that I shot him from? I have no plans of attempting this but my mind wanders a lot.
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: zelmo1 on March 03, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
Tag in state of death. It happened to me between NH and Maine.
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Happy on March 03, 2018, 05:17:53 PM
Guess that answers that question. Thanks
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Greg Massey on March 03, 2018, 05:43:48 PM
Yes the state you killed him ...
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Yoder409 on March 03, 2018, 07:04:07 PM
You must be shooting TSS if you can kill a bird from one state clean into another.

Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: owlhoot on March 03, 2018, 07:07:06 PM
Quote from: Yoder409 on March 03, 2018, 07:04:07 PM
You must be shooting TSS if you can kill a bird from one state clean into another.
Don't be giving any tss manufacturers marketing ideas ::)
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Happy on March 03, 2018, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: Yoder409 on March 03, 2018, 07:04:07 PM
You must be shooting TSS if you can kill a bird from one state clean into another.
I'm gonna do it with lead. I am a rebel like that.
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: zelmo1 on March 03, 2018, 07:34:33 PM
Lol, actually across the Salmon Falls River. I was knee deep crossing the river. #5 Longbeards did the trick  :OGturkeyhead: :OGturkeyhead:
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Happy on March 03, 2018, 08:08:11 PM
That would be interesting. Years ago  before I was a member of the  new lease I was guiding a fellow. We got one going on the the other side. We got close to the river and tried to call him across. Wasn't happening. He stayed and strutted his butt of on the other side. He was in range but untouchable.
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: crow on March 03, 2018, 09:22:49 PM
  I would  tag it in whichever states season was ending the soonest or I had the most tags for.
Is this a trick question
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Happy on March 04, 2018, 09:11:52 AM
No trick question.  I agree with the state the bird was standing in when killed. Just seeing what other people would think. I have no intent of trying it. But there is a slim chance that the situation could arise.
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: southern_leo on March 04, 2018, 03:05:39 PM
Think if it this way. You don't report when you shoot a gun in someone's state, but you have to report when you kill a bird in their state. So where the bird dies it's reported.

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Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: SteelerFan on March 04, 2018, 03:32:20 PM
Those were always the fun questions that a game warden would get at the local coffee shop, often causing an awkward pause... lol

One that directly applies to your situation - "If I float the Potomac in a canoe with a Maryland license, and shoot a fox squirrel off a branch that is over the water, but the tree is in WV... am I legal?"

In theory, the State boundary would be vertical from the high water mark on the WV side, and it would be possible for the squirrel to enter Maryland air space... but for all practical purposes, rule of thumb was WV tree = WV squirrel.
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Marc on March 04, 2018, 03:52:56 PM
Tag him in the state you killed him...

But what if he is on this side of the line when you shot him, and in the throws of death, flops over to the other side?  Do you tag him on the side you shot him, or the side you recovered him?

And, what if you are on one side of the state line, and you shoot the bird on the other?  (I would tag the bird on the side he died).

And if the state regulations state 1 bird per day, can you shoot a bird on one side, cross over and kill a bird on the other side, and carry both birds back to your truck legally (assuming you have proper licenses and stamps for both states)?

Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: HFultzjr on March 04, 2018, 04:12:38 PM
Quote from: Marc on March 04, 2018, 03:52:56 PM
Tag him in the state you killed him...

But what if he is on this side of the line when you shot him, and in the throws of death, flops over to the other side?  Do you tag him on the side you shot him, or the side you recovered him?

And, what if you are on one side of the state line, and you shoot the bird on the other?  (I would tag the bird on the side he died).

And if the state regulations state 1 bird per day, can you shoot a bird on one side, cross over and kill a bird on the other side, and carry both birds back to your truck legally (assuming you have proper licenses and stamps for both states)?

All that river crossing, I would surely fall in, get wet, lose gun, etc. Not to mention my box calls. Go back to truck and find partner with a nice bird he bagged on the other side of the road..............LOL. But that's just me.  :character0029:
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Happy on March 04, 2018, 04:50:17 PM
nd if the state regulations state 1 bird per day, can you shoot a bird on one side, cross over and kill a bird on the other side, and carry both birds back to your truck legally (assuming you have proper licenses and stamps for both states)?

I thought about this one. Both states gave electronic check in. I can check it in immediately as long as I have cell service. I always make it a point to check it as soon as I fill the field tag out.
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: WNCTracker on March 04, 2018, 05:48:53 PM
Around here and I assumed everywhere else there's a certain distance "over state lines" where you can kill game and tag for your home state. I think it's maybe 3 miles but just a guess so I think if your licensed in both its shooters choice????


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Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Bowguy on March 04, 2018, 06:11:36 PM
Idk guys I'm not for sure that'd even be legal. I'd ask a Co in both states not the forum. That's just me but no ones chipping in for your fine
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Happy on March 04, 2018, 06:30:34 PM
I am sure checking in for the state they were hunted and killed in is the right call.My only question was where a hunter is in one state and the quarry is killed in another. I have licenses for both states so no worries there.
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Spitten and drummen on March 04, 2018, 06:45:59 PM
The side he flopped on.
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Bowhunter123224 on March 05, 2018, 12:01:13 PM
Quote from: crow on March 03, 2018, 09:22:49 PM
  I would  tag it in whichever states season was ending the soonest or I had the most tags for.

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Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: GobbleNut on March 06, 2018, 09:12:20 AM
I used to have this dilemma with state lines and rivers and such.  I would shoot a bird in one state while in another and end up being more confused about what to do than I normally am. 

So I did some "guzintas" (if you don't know what those are, ask Ronnie), and calculated exactly where the state line would be in the center of the river.  Then I "extrapolated" an imaginary vertical line above that.  After that, all's I had to do was call any gobbler 'til he flew across the river.  When he reached that imaginary state line in the air, I would shoot him,...in flight, of course, cuz I am just that good.

That way I could say I shot him in either state,...legally, of course.  I then do more guzintas and figure out which state tag I should use.  The only problem I have found with my "system" is that sometimes I pass out from doin' all those guzintas and thinking. 

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Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Happy on March 06, 2018, 09:17:33 AM
Quote from: GobbleNut on March 06, 2018, 09:12:20 AM
I used to have this dilemma with state lines and rivers and such.  I would shoot a bird in one state while in another and end up being more confused about what to do than I normally am. 

So I did some "guzintas" (if you don't know what those are, ask Ronnie), and calculated exactly where the state line would be in the center of the river.  Then I "extrapolated" an imaginary vertical line above that.  After that, all's I had to do was call any gobbler 'til he flew across the river.  When he reached that imaginary state line in the air, I would shoot him,...in flight, of course, cuz I am just that good.

That way I could say I shot him in either state,...legally, of course.  I then do more guzintas and figure out which state tag I should use.  The only problem I have found with my "system" is that sometimes I pass out from doin' all those guzintas and thinking. 

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Yeah...... I didn't have any college edgemacation. I will just try and keep both feet planted in the same state as the turkey and take it from there. I still can't figure out why tss is a national emergency so obviously I ain't to quick on the uptake.
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: GobbleNut on March 06, 2018, 09:25:37 AM
Quote from: Happy on March 06, 2018, 09:17:33 AM
I still can't figure out why tss is a national emergency so obviously I ain't to quick on the uptake.

Yeah, me neither.  But then again, I get 742 pellets in a 10" circle at 60 yards with #2 lead.   ;D :toothy12: :toothy9: :angel9:
...Oh NO!,...You didn't...  (just kidding fellas,...don't get the snoods all knotted up...)
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Happy on March 06, 2018, 09:36:39 AM
My snood is already in a knot. And thrown over my shoulder so I don't trip over it.
Hey if I am gonna lie I might as well go all out. :)
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: tha bugman on March 06, 2018, 10:19:15 AM
 :z-dizzy:
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: GobbleNut on March 06, 2018, 10:29:35 AM
Quote from: Happy on March 06, 2018, 09:36:39 AM
My snood is already in a knot. And thrown over my shoulder so I don't trip over it.
Hey if I am gonna lie I might as well go all out. :)

As your question suggested up front, we are dealing in "hypotheticals" here.  Personally, I had always heard that snoods would get longer with age,...but I have unfortunately not found that to be the case.   :toothy12: :toothy9: :toothy12: :TooFunny:
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Happy on March 06, 2018, 10:50:49 AM
I think you have snoods confused with waddles on that on gobblenut.
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: GobbleNut on March 06, 2018, 12:00:36 PM
Quote from: Happy on March 06, 2018, 10:50:49 AM
I think you have snoods confused with waddles on that on gobblenut.

No, I know the difference,...and my wattles are definitely getting longer,...my snood, not so much.
On a side note, there was a time not so long ago that my snood would start thinking for itself and keep me from doing important stuff like going turkey hunting.  That rarely never happens any more. After all these years, me and my snood have finally come to our senses.  (I suspect you younger guys probably don't understand) :toothy9:
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Happy on March 06, 2018, 12:30:11 PM
Quote from: GobbleNut on March 06, 2018, 12:00:36 PM
Quote from: Happy on March 06, 2018, 10:50:49 AM
I think you have snoods confused with waddles on that on gobblenut.

No, I know the difference,...and my wattles are definitely getting longer,...my snood, not so much.
On a side note, there was a time not so long ago that my snood would start thinking for itself and keep me from doing important stuff like going turkey hunting.  That rarely never happens any more. After all these years, me and my snood have finally come to our senses.  (I suspect you younger guys probably don't understand) :toothy9:
I am sorry,
I don't turkey hunt after dark so it hasn't been an issue for me. Now I know why you like your locator calls so much. It's probably like a game of Marco polo. No wonder the old folks home is eying you up.