Ok, so I recently took a newer Winchester 1300 in on trade for some stuff, and shame on me, I did not check the choke when we made the deal. The gun is in really good shape and doesn't look like its been hunted with or even shot much, so I overlooked what has to be near the top of the to do's!!!!
Well the deal is done, gun is mine, no looking back. Here's the problem:
For the life of me I cannot get the tube out. Once I realized that I could not remove it by hand, I wrapped an old t-shirt around the tube and could not budge it with channel locks!
I soaked the end of the barrel in WD-40 for two days, nothing.
I put in the freezer for 12 hours then ran the tube end under scalding hot water - nothing.
I was thinking of using a propane torch and heating the tube up from the inside, but I don't want to mess up the bluing or get it too hot and ruing the temper and make it dangerous.
It's almost like there is Loctite on the threads!!
Any other ideas??
I'd rather not have the barrel cut and re-threaded because I was planning on giving it a good cleaning and selling it, but I may have a third turkey gun if I have to drop money on it!
Oh, and at this point I really don't care if I screw up the tube! I don't know what it is for sure since I cannot get it out, but I think its a factory full or modified.
soak it in Kroil for a week, heat it up slightly and see what happens.
Didn't even think about kroil. Got some for barrel polishing. I'll give that a go.
Other suggestions still welcome!
Plastic cup full of PB Blaster if you can find it. Just let it bath in it for a few days, if that doesn't break it loose you may be in trouble.
Try shooting a bunch of rounds through it as fast as you can load em up, pull the plug and rapid fire 5 in a row, should heat it up and maybe it will brake loose, otherwise pb blaster is good stuff!
Is this a flush or extended choke? Kroil is good. PB blaster may well be better on rust but I have never used it on gun finishes. If it is an extended choke and your ready to sacrifice the choke, in addition to soaking it use a ball peen hammer on the end of the choke to tap on the choke to help break the rust loose so the penetrating oil can seep in better. Not hard, just tapping on the end like your driving the choke into the barrel. I would not strike it from the side, only the end. If it is a flush choke, there is a choke remover tool that grips the inside of the choke. They are expensive, about a hundred dollars. Brownells.com has them but it may actually be less expensive to have a gunsmith do it vs buying the tool.
After soaking, use a rubber mallet with progressively harder taps. That shouldn't cause any damage and may break it loose, if it breaks loose, use a brass toothbrush to clean threads thoroughly.
It's and extended tube, but only about 1/4 to 3/8 from barrel end. I'll try the hammer/mallet, too.
I'm really ticked at myself about not checking the tube. Also, ticked since the rest of the gun is in pretty nice shape. Never even handled a 1300, but seems like a decent shotgun. The guy said it is a featherweight, which from the little research I have done, seems like it is a early-mid 1990's gun. Is that right? It has a wood (walnut??) stock with checkering on the grip and forearm, 28 inch ribbed barrel. I cannot find a serial number database online, but if anyone knows, the serial number is L3253XXX.
Also, what's the deal with the bolt/ejector? The ejector looks like a piston coming out of the bolt? What's the purpose of that?
If you don't want to save the tube, you could drill it and use a screwdriver or something of that nature as a T handle. ??? Just a redneck thought.
Quote from: Bigspurs68 on May 12, 2014, 11:35:46 PM
If you don't want to save the tube, you could drill it and use a screwdriver or something of that nature as a T handle. ??? Just a redneck thought.
thought about that, too. Might try it if nothing else works.
Anybody think a large easy out might work? I could put it in a vice and use a drill or a big wrench.
That is essentially what this tool from Brownells is. You adjust it tight to the inside of the tube. It will damage the tube anyway though so drilling it out and using a screw driver to form a T handle would be a lot less expensive.
(http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_080826012_1.jpg)
+1 on the kroil then try a strap wrench to get some additional leverage. You can get one at sears for about $14.
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-2-pc-strap-wrench-set/p-00945570000P
Let us know how you make out with it.
It it is the choke I believe it is there should be a couple shallow holes in the extended part, there is a wrench that plugs into the hole to grip the tube, and to get some leverage you could add a long handle to one. Should be able to find that wrench somewhere! Looks somewhat like a crescent wrench!
https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=ytff1-yff25&p=winchester%20choke%20wrench&type=
not exactly how I remember it but this is what I mean!
I've had this problem also. Soaked mine in diesel fuel for at least a month before it came out. I just stuck the end in a can of it about 3-4 inches deep. Prop in a corner and check it once a week til it comes out. Kroil or blaster would do the same thing I'm sure. A black powder guy showed me this when I bought a flintlock with a stuck breech plug. It will come out if you're patient.
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Soak it for a few days in penetrating oil, immediately take it to the range and put a box of cheap shells through it as fast as you possibly can. Bring a rubber mallet and strap wrench with you and see if she'll wink. If that doesn't work, it's gunsmith time.
Any good penetrating oil soaking will definitely help, but the real trick is to tap the choke tube with a hammer while putting it in tension by unscrewing it with a pipe wrench. The hammering part will help break the hold between the barrel and the tube directly by jarring it with the help of the oil and the wrench. You will likely lose the choke tube, but if it comes loose without much trouble, it may be salvageable. Make sure that the threads of all choke tubes you install are cleaned with a wire brush and given a light coating of a choke grease.
Keep us in the loop on what you are able to accomplish with this problem.
All the advice I could give has been given. Hopefully, the Kroil can get in there and do what it does. Tapping with the rubber mallet (dead blow would be nice) should help as well. It's just one of those things that you'll have to be patient with. Good luck getting it out!
As far as why chokes get like that, I don't know why folks let that happen. I personally use a dab of breach plug grease on all of mine. I feel like if it'll keep a breach plug from locking up it'll surely work on a choke tube.
On the flip side of your story, a few years ago I went turkey hunting with a buddy and I brought along an extra turkey choke as I felt pretty sure he didn't have one. Well, we get to camp and I go to remove his choke and realize he didn't have one in there at all! I asked and he said he didn't even realize he needed one. Maybe he thought it had a fixed choke??? I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, right off the bat you can imagine the fouling in the threads. To my surprise they didn't appear to be damaged but I had to do some serious cleaning to get the choke to screw in. It still to this day is a tight fit. I'm assuming the heat from high volume shooting may have caused the barrel to constrict when it cooled down. When our trip was over I did take it home and properly clean it but it's still a snug fit to say the least. I installed a spare modified choke in it and told him not to remove it under any circumstance without replacing it with another. Hopefully, the tight fit is ok and won't do any damage to the barrel. Maybe it will re-heat and conform to its normal size again..lol
Sounds like the similar metals have "galled" together and will require excessive force to detach. I found this link on a google search, maybe it will help.
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=122&t=360441
I have had stainless steel nuts and bolts become galled and nothing short of a cutting torch could undo them.
Quote from: Snoodsniper on May 13, 2014, 08:52:13 AM
I've had this problem also. Soaked mine in diesel fuel for at least a month before it came out. I just stuck the end in a can of it about 3-4 inches deep. Prop in a corner and check it once a week til it comes out. Kroil or blaster would do the same thing I'm sure. A black powder guy showed me this when I bought a flintlock with a stuck breech plug. It will come out if you're patient.
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Quote from: JBIRD22 on May 13, 2014, 10:24:05 AM
As far as why chokes get like that, I don't know why folks let that happen. I personally use a dab of breach plug grease on all of mine. I feel like if it'll keep a breach plug from locking up it'll surely work on a choke tube.
JBIRD22, I don't get it either, especially as cared for as the gun seems. It takes 30 seconds to remove a choke and give it a wipe down with oil or grease. I've hunted with the same 835 since the late 90s. It has been to hell and back turkey hunting with me and I have never had a tube require more that a little extra "umph" with the factory tube wrench.
Had this happen once with a waterfowl choke that we went out for one last late season hunt and forgot to take out and clean the tube afterward. Went to take it out before the following turkey season and it locked up tight about half way out. Not sure if you can get hold of enough of the choke, but what I finally did was locked it down in a heavy bench vise and then spun the barrel off it. The end of the choke ended up square but it came out.
Now there's a good idea. Put the choke in a vice and spin the barrel. That will give you a good two fisted grip. :icon_thumright:
Update?
Did you ever free up the stuck choke?
Do you have the original wrench for Winchoke. The choke itself has 2 holes that it fits into.
- Try soaking it in brake fluid or some other really anti-corrosive fluid.
- Try putting it in the freezer.
- Heat it as hot as possible without causing damage (blow torch), and then cool it really quickly.
- Or try some combination of the above.
Here are a couple threads from a water fowling forum discussing stuck tubes:
http://www.refugeforums.com/refuge/showthread.php?t=966218&highlight=stuck+choke+tube
http://www.refugeforums.com/refuge/showthread.php?t=922654&highlight=stuck+choke+tube
Interesting info on a tool that might work (with a cheaper version discussed as well):
http://www.refugeforums.com/refuge/showthread.php?t=956653
Quote from: mikejd on May 25, 2014, 09:42:09 PM
Do you have the original wrench for Winchoke. The choke itself has 2 holes that it fits into.
Bought one, thought I was going to break it.
It is currently in Kroil, and will be until June 6 when I stop traveling. Kroil seems to be sucking rust out, so hopefully...
Quote from: jblackburn on May 26, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
Quote from: mikejd on May 25, 2014, 09:42:09 PM
Do you have the original wrench for Winchoke. The choke itself has 2 holes that it fits into.
Bought one, thought I was going to break it.
It is currently in Kroil, and will be until June 6 when I stop traveling. Kroil seems to be sucking rust out, so hopefully...
good luck.
Kroil is my go to penetrating oil. Lots of good ideas here. If and when you get it out, make sure you clean the threads and check them for damage. This will help the problem from happening again. Good Luck.
Quote from: Skeeterbait on May 13, 2014, 01:36:20 PM
Now there's a good idea. Put the choke in a vice and spin the barrel. That will give you a good two fisted grip. :icon_thumright:
This is what i did with a similarly stuck ckoke. Would not budge, soaked with pb blaster, no movement. took old golf grip wrapped choke, stuck in vise tighter even than i wanted too but it finally came out. was a rem. extended choke. Cleaned , replaced, checked shot. Still hunting it. Good luck
It will come out just be patient. Check it when you get back if it won't budge let it soak a couple more weeks.
Well, after soaking in Kroil for over 3 weeks, I attempted to remove the choke. And it was a cluster-f@#$!! Put the barrel in the vice and clamped vice grips on the tube and well . . . ripped the barrel apart! :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9:
Split over an inch down from the bore. I threw a temper tantrum and threw the barrel and screwed it up even more.
I'm currently looking for a replacement barrel. Thanks for all the suggestions, guys!
Quote from: jblackburn on June 20, 2014, 10:51:37 PM
. . . ripped the barrel apart! :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9:
Split over an inch down from the bore. I threw a temper tantrum and threw the barrel and screwed it up even more.
Look like your all ready turning into a Raging Cajun.
I was hoping this would have a happy ending, oh well sorry for your loss :popcorn:
Quote from: jblackburn on June 20, 2014, 10:51:37 PM
Well, after soaking in Kroil for over 3 weeks, I attempted to remove the choke. And it was a cluster-f@#$!! Put the barrel in the vice and clamped vice grips on the tube and well . . . ripped the barrel apart! :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9:
Split over an inch down from the bore. I threw a temper tantrum and threw the barrel and screwed it up even more.
I'm currently looking for a replacement barrel. Thanks for all the suggestions, guys!
OK So now, what exact barrel are you looking for? Try ebay, auction arms. and Gunbroker . Too late to soak in brake fluid but that is some good stuff for stuck parts. Your threads were most likely cross threaded as well. Sounds like a really full temper tantrum out of the way. :( :o :angry9: etc.
Quote from: RAJ on June 21, 2014, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: jblackburn on June 20, 2014, 10:51:37 PM
Well, after soaking in Kroil for over 3 weeks, I attempted to remove the choke. And it was a cluster-f@#$!! Put the barrel in the vice and clamped vice grips on the tube and well . . . ripped the barrel apart! :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9: :angry9:
Split over an inch down from the bore. I threw a temper tantrum and threw the barrel and screwed it up even more.
I'm currently looking for a replacement barrel. Thanks for all the suggestions, guys!
OK So now, what exact barrel are you looking for? Try ebay, auction arms. and Gunbroker . Too late to soak in brake fluid but that is some good stuff for stuck parts. Your threads were most likely cross threaded as well. Sounds like a really full temper tantrum out of the way. :( :o :angry9: etc.
Nothing fancy, just a 26 - 28 inch barrel. I missed one on ebay a couple weeks ago that went for $100. I'll probably build it to be a backup turkey gun or one my boys can use when they get older.
I was reading through this and hoping it would have a better outcome as I just got a sx2 off a guy for a decent deal till I got it home and realized the tube was stuck. I broke a few choke wrenches already and took it to a small local gunsmith. I called him yesterday and he said he broke his tool he usually uses and was in the process of making another. Mine soaked for a week in pb blaster before taking it to him. Man I hate how it may turn out.
I still like the brake fluid soak for choke removals, but not less than overnight minimum.
That is tough when you have a stuck choke.
I'd encourage you to call John Mann @ Mann & Son Sporting Goods (Since 1946) 618.357.2911, ask for John and tell him what you have. I have seen him work miracles on flush mounted chokes as well as the easier extended ones. It would be worth your call.
Thanks,
Clark