I just found this Bio on Herman Cain;
Herman Cain is running for president. He's not a career politician (in fact he has never held political office). He's known as a pizza guy, but there's a lot more to him. He's also a computer guy, a banker guy, and a rocket scientist guy.
Here's his bio:
Bachelor's degree in Mathematics.
Master's degree in Computer Science.
Mathematician for the Navy, where he worked on missile ballistics (making him a rocket scientist).
Computer systems analyst for Coca-Cola.
VP of Corporate Data Systems and Services for Pillsbury (this is the top of the ladder in the computer world, being in charge of information systems for a major corporation).
All achieved before reaching the age of 35. Since he reached the top of the information systems world, he changed careers!
Business Manager. Took charge of Pillsbury's 400 Burger King restaurants in the Philadelphia area, which were the company's poorest performers in the country. Spent the first nine months learning the business from the ground up, cooking hamburger and yes, cleaning toilets. After three years he had turned them into the company's best performers.
Godfather's Pizza CEO. Was asked by Pillsbury to take charge of their Godfather's Pizza chain (which was on the verge of bankruptcy). He made it profitable in 14 months.
In 1988 he led a buyout of the Godfather's Pizza chain from Pillsbury. He was now the owner of a restaurant chain. Again he reached the top of the ladder of another industry.
He was also chairman of the National Restaurant Association during this time. This is a group that interacts with government on behalf of the restaurant industry, and it gave him political experience from the non-politician side.
Having reached the top of a second industry, he changed careers again!
Adviser to the Federal Reserve System. Herman Cain went to work for the Federal Reserve Banking System advising them on how monetary policy changes would affect American businesses.
Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. He worked his way up to the chairmanship of a regional Federal Reserve bank. This is only one step below the chairmanship of the entire Federal Reserve System (the top banking position in the country). This position allowed him to see how monetary policy is made from the inside, and understand the political forces that impact the monetary system.
After reaching the top of the banking industry, he changed careers for a fourth time!
Writer and public speaker. He then started to write and speak on leadership. His books include Speak as a Leader, CEO of Self, Leadership is Common Sense, and They Think You're Stupid.
Radio Host. Around 2007—after a remarkable 40 year career—he started hosting a radio show on WSB in Atlanta (the largest talk radio station in the country).
He did all this starting from rock bottom (his father was a chauffeur and his mother was a maid). When you add up his accomplishments in his life—including reaching the top of three unrelated industries: information systems, business management, and banking—Herman Cain may have the most impressive resume of anyone that has run for the presidency in the last half century.
Yep...he's too qualified. :icon_thumright:
He is no dummy. That's for sure..
Not sure if he'll get the nomination, but whoever does should get him as their VP. He is definitely a very smart man with some really good ideas...............
He would get my vote.
I have listened to his radio program and agreed with most all I have heard him say. I like the fact that he is against illegal aliens getting a pass and soaking off of our welfare system. I also like the idea of the flat tax he has proposed. I would absolutely vote for him at this point. I find it interesting that the media can only seem to focus on his connection with Godfather's Pizza, but seemed to be blindly enamoured with a community organizer.
As of right now, he has my vote.
Herman is from Atlanta. His father was the driver for none other than Robert Woodruff, the man that made Coca Cola an international power. Woodruff also owned a fine plantation in Baker Co., Ga call Ichauway, which is now home to the Jones Center. That place is covered in quail, deer, and turkeys.
http://www.jonesctr.org/about_us/history_and_development.html
I managed to turn a political thread into a fantasy thread about an obscene place to go hunting. :toothy12: :toothy12:
The more I learn about this guy the more I like him. Self made intelligent man who worked hard to get where he is. When asked recently about foreign policy issues he didn't respond with some BS hot air like 99% of the other candidates would. He stated that he didn't know a whole lot about foreign policy at the moment, but he will surround himself with the right people and learn about it. I thank him for that answer.
As I see it he is a fixer of problems. That's what we need.
Ive been listening to him on the radio here in ga. for years; He has my vote!
It doesnt say in this article what his political views are, but he sounds like a qualified guy.
Has been my favorite candidate for sometime now.
I told my wife during the first debate that I like a lot of what he says. I hope he gets a chance!
He's the only one worth voting for IMO. None of the rest measure up to him.
Yep. He and Ron Paul are definitely at the top of my list. Having them on the same ticket would be great. Unfortunately, we'll probably end up with Romney. Eh...
He has my vote all day long. The more I hear him speak the more I like him
I am giving Cain a very serious look at getting my vote. Whoever gets the nod to run on the Republican ticket I sure hope picks Paul Ryan as their VP.
I actually enjoy listening to Herman Cain speak. He's a sharp guy and has real world experience in turning failing companies around.
I hope he makes it far enough to allow American's to vote for him.
Quote from: stinkpickle on October 06, 2011, 02:01:16 PM
Yep. He and Ron Paul are definitely at the top of my list. Having them on the same ticket would be great. Unfortunately, we'll probably end up with Romney. Eh...
Yep.
Except his 999 plan would raise taxes by 40% on low-income people & cut it 40% on the rich. Like that's gonna work.
The economy is not a pizza.
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Not sure how people in tax-free states would like that. I`m in NY so anything`s gotta be better than it is now. I like the flat-tax idea.
Quote from: Dylan T on October 11, 2011, 09:10:05 PM
Except his 999 plan would raise taxes by 40% on low-income people & cut it 40% on the rich. Like that's gonna work.
The economy is not a pizza.
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I suppose a pizza guy would be as least as good as a community organizer.
Quote from: Dylan T on October 11, 2011, 09:10:05 PM
Except his 999 plan would raise taxes by 40% on low-income people & cut it 40% on the rich. Like that's gonna work.
The economy is not a pizza.
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Can you share where you got those figures? MSNBC? Chris Matthews? I'm amazed by the liberals that want to degrade THIS black man as nothing more than a "pizza man". Truth is, he served this country with the Navy calculating the trajectory of missiles, basically he was a rocket scientist. He served on the board of the federal reserve in Kansas City. He became chairman/ceo of several businesses in the food industry and saw increased profits result from his time with each of these companies.
Several years ago when we tried to find out things about the past of another "gentleman" running for office, there was always a shroud of mystery... denials to see birth certificates, college records, employment history, ties with domestic terrorists, etc. Over 2 years into his presidency, he still has not come up with a legitimate plan focused on solving our economic problems. He has bailed out banks that later failed, took ownership of Government Motors Company and handed out "free money" to people to buy cars while he ordered perfectly good used cars destroyed that those who receive government assistance in other areas might have been able to afford. He has granted half a billion dollars to a solar panel company that has filed bankruptcy in a matter of 2 years give or take.
Herman Cain has a proven business track record. He is a mathemetician by trade. No doubt the "999 plan" will require some tweaking, but you can't deny that he is bringing something to the table that has much more substance than "hope and change" ever thought about. You will whine and moan about how much it will cost the "poor", but have no problem "sticking it to the rich folks". If your figures on the 40% increase in taxes for the poor is correct, that would likely effect me. Given Herman Cain's position on a number of other issues, I'm willing to take the chance. How can you justify increasing the taxes on the rich (basis for obama's latest "jobs bill" that just FAILED)? Do you not understand that when the taxes increase on the owners of businesses, that cost of doing business is passed on to consumers (you and I) in the form of price increases? It doesn't take a "rocket scientist" to figure that one out.
Instead of blindly listening to the talking points of liberal media, take the time to listen to some of Herman Cain's viewpoints away from the debates. Find out who he is. Find out what he believes.
Obama, on the other hand... we know what he is about. We know what he believes. His track record over the past couple of years speaks volumes. We have seen him shift positions that he held as a "present" voting senator from Chicago. I won't go on about his "accomplishments" that make my blood boil every time I hear his voice or see his image.
I don't blame EVERY problem in America on obama, but he owns his share of the pie. I don't believe that any of the Republican or Tea Party candidates are above making mistakes, or even being misleading in some of their claims or promises. Given the current state of affairs in this nation, it is my opinion (something that I think we are still entitled to in this country) that we are in desparate need of "hope" and "change". The change we have had in the past 2 years is not what many were hoping for. I'll take my chances with the rocket scientist turned pizza guy.
Well said Lightsout! We need change and in a bad way. I'm ready to put a very smart person in office . Insted of a lifer in politics , and his 999 plan would get everyone putting in the kiddy . We need some serious change with out the hope thingy .
economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/inside-t (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/inside-t)
What a senior policy adviser in the Reagan and first Bush administrations who also served on the staffs of Jack Kemp and Ron Paul wrote about the 9-9-9 tax plan.
If the article you linked is written by a Ron Paul staffer, why would anyone give it any merit. Does a player root for the opposing team?
As previously stated, the 999 plan no doubt will need tweaking. It is at least a starting place to open up discussion and address other plans that OBVIOUSLY are not working (to include plans from the Bush era). I have heard that the idea of a 9% federal income tax may open the way for congress to increase the amount with a vote. That is not so appealing. BUT, given the options... again, I'll gladly take my chances.
On a side note, I see Mr. Cain has moved ahead of Romney in most recent polls.
Something sounds liberally biased about this 40% increase on taxes for the poor because only about 15% live at poverty and pay no taxes. 40% of noting equals nothing. 50% of all americans get credits that off set any taxes. Its time that EVERYBODY pays. When I made 24,000 a year, I still paid taxes, high health insurance prem and I still paid my tithes. I didn't have internet, cell phone or satelite TV. I drove cheap used cars and did'nt get to go on vacations. This was in the 80's.
He's got my vote. Anyone that wants all the hope and change to keep them voting for Obama that he so promised let me know how much change in cents you are hoping for? There was a funny about that.
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notice how everybody is moveing up there election date to give mitt an edge over Cain. Most of the media is still saying mitt is in the lead when most of the polls show otherwise. The media is now claming that Cain cannot win over obama. what a crock.
Income taxes are capitalized into the price of goods and services. Suppliers know what margin they need and account for their effective tax rate in there. If Cain's plan were implemented, would every thing work in accordance with the theory that a reduction in income tax to 9% would lead to a corresponding reduction in price.
People (media) are looking at his 9% consumption tax as a tax that will raise the current cost of goods and add tax to non-taxed goods. The plan dependence on a reduction in the cost of goods is going to be difficult for people to understand, particularly when the media is liberal and Cain is not and it is not going to help him.
Here's how Cain adviser Charles Kadlec, explained it in short, "...The third 9% tax is a sales tax on the final sale of new goods. It should be noted that unlike state sales taxes, which are add on taxes, this is a replacement tax. Therefore, the significant reduction in the cost of existing taxes embedded in the price of goods today should lead to lower prices, which will offset most if not all of the national sales tax".
One thing that dummies in our society ignore is that high income taxes on businesses have an inflationary effect on the cost of goods and services because taxes are capitalized in price. End consumers ultimately bear the burden of the tax. When discussing a change in tax strategy, one cannot ignore that the rich and poor are bearing taxes alike when capitalized in price and with consumption taxes.
I for one, am circumspect about feeding the federal beast by opening up a new domain to federal taxation. Sales/ad valorem/consumption tax has always been the province of state and local govt. It is what was left to them and they filled the space because the feds dominated income tax, all import tariff, dominate estate taxation, etc. Once the fed starts taxing, over the long run it raises rates and increases the scope of taxation. Let's face it, we have politicians that gain and retain power at the expense of the productive class by promising to use the legislative power to commit theft and wealth transfer to the deadweight in society. I don't want them to have more tools. What really matters more than taxation method is how big govt is going to be and how much we are going to spend.
Quote from: Turkey Trot on October 13, 2011, 03:59:37 PM
I don't want them to have more tools. What really matters more than taxation method is how big govt is going to be and how much we are going to spend.
I agree with what you said. This is why I believe his plan will need some tweaking. I definitely agree on the statements above. Government neccesarily needs to shrink in overall size. The rub to some with that is that it will mean a reduction in jobs. (Can't you just hear it now?) Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Cain has commented along those same lines about the size of government.
The argument you make about corporations adjusting the price of goods and services according to THEIR cost to provide them is something that seems to elude many liberals both in and out of the media. The government puts countless regulations on companies, which equates to additional costs to those companies to produce a good or service. Those costs are passed along to the consumer.
It is also my understanding that Cain's plan would do away with income taxes that are currently taken out of your check before you receive it. This would be another "offset" to the national sales tax. You would have more money in your pocket before you ever started to spend it. I look forward to hearing more about it myself.
Trump, Bachmann, Perry, and now Cain - who will be the next UnRomney?
Romney would be about as good a choice as John McCain. I voted for him only because he wasn't obama. That is the only way I could vote for Romney... the father of obamacare. Check out youtube for a debate between Romney and Teddy Kennedy. It's hard to tell who was the most liberal in their debate. He's a "flip-flopper" in the truest sense of the word. Check out his history on abortion...
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/cold-pizza-from-herm-cain/?nl=todayshea (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/cold-pizza-from-herm-cain/?nl=todayshea)
Those of you that are still a little objective or independent - is this what you really want? It also describes the hilarious predicament Tea Party Republicans find themselves in.
Read the article. First I can definately tell it was written by a biased liberal (NYT). secondly they are trying to push everyone to Romney. The liberals know that conservatives cant really get behind Mitt (RINO) Romney. I for one would have to hold my nose to vote for romney. Anyone is better than Obama, but out of the candidiates battling to run against Obama, Cain is the best.
When you can't attack the opposing points that were made, attack the writer or attack the newspaper. Works every time.
I am not attacking the writer. It is a well know FACT that the NYT is a liberal Biased paper. The articlre was an obvious attack on Cain. THere was an obvious bias against anything republican. I could sit and debate the issues, but dont feel like writing that much. And in what way did I attack the writer? I said I could tell it was written by a liberal (all liberals are biased toward conservatives and vice versa). I said nothing about the writer. I paraphrased the writers comment about how Repubs should abandon cain for Romney since he was what the writer felt was the Better Rep. Candidate. THe liberals would love to have Romney run against Obama just like they pushed McCain. They know he would not be as strong a candidate as Cain. THe liberal media is again trying to sway voters to pick a candidate they feel would lose to Obama. Of course fellow rival candidates are bashing Cains 999 plan. The comment by Bachman was totally uncalled for. Saying the 999 was an upside down 666 is purely confrontational. Cain is still the most conservative of those running against Obama. So Struttinhusker, Please read my comments fully before you accuse me of something.
Maybe attack was a little strong. Maybe I should have said it is easier to respond to the writer or the newspaper than it is to the points made in the column.
The writer had no valid points. All he did was criticize Cain and his plan. He elluded to the decrease in High income taxes and pointed out how those who dont pay taxes will now have to pay something. Beyond that he just regurgitated talking points that have been hashed and rehashed.
Quote from: Struttinhusker on October 14, 2011, 10:50:41 AM
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/cold-pizza-from-herm-cain/?nl=todayshea (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/cold-pizza-from-herm-cain/?nl=todayshea)
Those of you that are still a little objective or independent - is this what you really want? It also describes the hilarious predicament Tea Party Republicans find themselves in.
You act like you are posting something profound and are ahead of everyone else on this. But you clearly have not given a moment's thought to the capitalization of income taxes in prices any more than the libtard know-it-all at the NY Times.
They reading the points about capitalized taxes in my post. If the 30-35% income tax is eliminated and replaces with 9 % and the 9% is on top of that, doesn't that add up to less taxation and a lower price on a given item?
The question is whether prices will fall in lockstep with the reduction of the income tax. That is uncharted territory, but knowing that products face the consumption tax and the state sales tax, manufacturers, distributors, and retailers will face pressure from decreased quantity demanded.
I personally am not in favor of opening the door for the feds to tax in a new domain that traditionally belonged to the states and the locals.
I'd rather see someone talking about cutting the size of govt by 25-33% over 8 years and impose a lifetime limit on poverty entitlements to provide relief for the federal treasury and the state treasury. I'd also prefer to see a flat income tax of 20% that applies to everyone across the board. No one would be permitted to take the benefit of being a citizen while shirking the burden or letting others carry a disproportionate burden; if you want to be equal you have to be equal in all respects. In light of the recent historical trend of tax receipts being around 19% of GDP, a rate of 20 would be more than enough to cover what we really need in federal govt and work on debt reduction. Moreover, it would free up all the resources currently expended on tax planning, avoidance, compliance, etc.
http://www.heritage.org/budgetchartbook/current-tax-receipts
We have to deal with the great ponzi scheme of SS and Medicare, as well ad medicaid. They are dwarfing everything else in scope.
We'll just have to see how far Cain goes with his 9-9-9. If I had to bet my farm, I would say he'll end up like the other UnRomneys. But who knows?
If I had to bet the farm, I would be glad to loose it to someone that is going to make the free loaders pay something than give it to Romney-------the originator of Obama Care. I can't imagine 4 more years of what we alreay have.
If you believe the liberal bias, you will not realize that no matter how much they raise taxes on the rich, fed income never goes up. The rich just avoid paying by sheltering their money. If all the loop holes in the tax code are gone, then everyone pays. The NYT liberal failed to mention that.
If wealthy people could then make as much money as they wanted, then people would go from making 1 million a year to 10 million because
they know they will get to keep what they earn and be glad to pay their fair share rather than an unfair share like Dems want now and like they have paid in the past. I heard Regan only made 1 movie a yearat a certian point because if he made the second one, the tax bracket took most of it all. Half of nothing is still less than 9% of an infinite amount a person can earn.
This is all just my opinion.
I'd vote for him. He's everything that Obama isn't, aside from skin color.
Quote from: LaBiologist on October 14, 2011, 01:28:24 PM
Of course fellow rival candidates are bashing Cains 999 plan. The comment by Bachman was totally uncalled for. Saying the 999 was an upside down 666 is purely confrontational.
That Bachmann comment just demonstrated how unsuitable she is for office. She says she's anti-government but been living off the givernment for half her life.
I like Herman Cain. Not all his policies but he's got passion and wants to get stuff done. He's not blinded by wacko ideas and negativity like Bachmann.
Quote from: Dylan T on October 15, 2011, 09:29:52 PM
Quote from: LaBiologist on October 14, 2011, 01:28:24 PM
Of course fellow rival candidates are bashing Cains 999 plan. The comment by Bachman was totally uncalled for. Saying the 999 was an upside down 666 is purely confrontational.
That Bachmann comment just demonstrated how unsuitable she is for office. She says she's anti-government but been living off the givernment for half her life.
I like Herman Cain. Not all his policies but he's got passion and wants to get stuff done. He's not blinded by wacko ideas and negativity like Bachmann.
I will have to agree with you Dylan.... Bachmann turned me off with her comments of referring 999 to 666. Totally uncalled for and unprofessional.
As of right now I can see a Cain/Ryan ticket winning the White House and a Republican controlled House and Senate. 9-9-9 or a variation of it just may very well become a reality in the next 5 years. I welcome new ideas and changes to the way Government is ran in our country. Everything has gotten way to complicated and difficult to understand with all the laws and regulations governing everything we do. We need less government and a more simplified way of living our lives without Big Government hanging over our shoulders and Socialism which is the way the Dems would prefer to ram down our throats is not the way I will live my life. I would rather die a free man than live under the heavy hand of the socialist left.
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Watch or Listen whichever you prefer and decide for yourself if Cain doesn't make common sense and that you wouldn't like to have a man of his intellect in office to help right the shipping ship that this country is riding on.
http://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=554&vid=-150917569795990403#play
Bird my feelings exactly on Cain and socialism, great post!!!!
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I have to totally agree with Bird also. From what were seeing and hearing so far, my wife and I
like what he's saying and were leaning towards Cain. He make a lot of sense.