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It can, and will, be found. This is just one of MANY examples of spots found after being shown in videos. This particular example was sent to me by a friend who enjoys finding these spots during his downtime at work.
During the start of the "YouTube era", I recognized imagery from a prominent YouTuber and notified him. He recognized his mistake and acknowledged it in the very next video. I assume he hasn't shown much, if any, real imagery or "pins" since. However, that can't be said for all.
So what is the incentive, you may ask? Why would they continue to show real imagery/topo and compromise their spots? It is rather simple. $$. They want their viewers using onX to try and find spots. They want as many people using their "onX code" as possible. Because kickbacks. They basically get commission when you use their onX code for the discount.
In this particular case, the state is Iowa. So an influx of non-residents to these spots isn't much of concern due to the regulated non-resident hunting. And they can get plenty of resident tags to continue filming each spring. But the same can't be said for other states where real spots are shown.
If you want to show your spot to the world, please at least take the courtesy not to name the state? Or vice versa.
Your point is well taken. It makes me wonder how many folks around the country might take the time to try to do this,...and then afterward travel there to hunt?
With you 100%.
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Great post Deerhunt,
I drew Iowa Season 4 Zone 1 this year. I'm guessing this is Rathbun lake. Mind sending me the pin? I'd love to kill a bird on same ridge as THP.
Quote from: GobbleNut on February 24, 2022, 05:54:44 PM
Your point is well taken. It makes me wonder how many folks around the country might take the time to try to do this,...and then afterward travel there to hunt?
Under 2 minutes, never once stepped foot in Iowa. All without owning a youtuber hoodie.
Quote from: GobbleNut on February 24, 2022, 05:54:44 PM
Your point is well taken. It makes me wonder how many folks around the country might take the time to try to do this,...and then afterward travel there to hunt?
I guarantee you it's wayyyyy more than you'd ever think.
That's why they love dropping them hints, it keeps thousands of people watching their videos for where they can go.
Public land been around forever, yet nobody went and they weren't very crowded because "man they over run with people and no animals mindset"
People "the masses" fear the unknown and aren't very adventurous
Yet, once you prove it out (show videos of success, gobbling birds, kill pics by wma signs) etc etc they will flock there.
Ask yourself how many people ever struck out to a new area blindly with you. Then ask yourself how many people said they'd like to make a hunt with you once you went and was successful a few times.
Compare
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There's a local guy that has posted videos for about a decade now. And I get more entertainment from figuring out his locations than I do watching him hunt.
His intros show which way he's leaving town, the sunrise is all you need for orientation, and with the mountains and ski resorts off in the distance it's pretty easy really.
I've never spot poached any of them, because I have my own places elsewhere, but it's cringeworthy how much background he puts in!
"Oh these mountain views..."
He'll learn one day.
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Quote from: sasquatch1 on February 24, 2022, 06:03:56 PM
Quote from: GobbleNut on February 24, 2022, 05:54:44 PM
Your point is well taken. It makes me wonder how many folks around the country might take the time to try to do this,...and then afterward travel there to hunt?
I guarantee you it's wayyyyy more than you'd ever think.
That's why they love dropping them hints, it keeps thousands of people watching their videos for where they can go.
Public land been around forever, yet nobody went and they weren't very crowded because "man they over run with people and no animals mindset"
People "the masses" fear the unknown and aren't very adventurous
Yet, once you prove it out (show videos of success, gobbling birds, kill pics by wma signs) etc etc they will flock there.
Ask yourself how many people ever struck out to a new area blindly with you. Then ask yourself how many people said they'd like to make a hunt with you once you went and was successful a few times.
Compare
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Truth. It's an instant gratification culture now, and turkey hunting is no exception. Heaven forbid one put in effort. Most want it served on a silver platter, and this culture has been in part created by much of the nonsense we see with those profiting off public land. I personally wish OnX would go away. Another tool that has presented some negatives for a resource that isn't in endless supply.
I had a nice day on a public area duck hunting. We were posting pics of our best day of the year. It is a member site like this one. I blurred out the background with Paint so you could not tell where it was. I took a ton of flak from folks about how it was a douche move. I just laughed and said the internet is forever. Got about 3 PMs from fellow members that knew where I was because we see each other there and they all thanked me. Common sense should be called uncommon sense because most folks ain't got it.
Complains about tipping spots off by tipping spots off even more, but I get your point. I drew an Iowa tag so maybe I should investigate!
Quote from: GobbleNut on February 24, 2022, 05:54:44 PM
Your point is well taken. It makes me wonder how many folks around the country might take the time to try to do this,...and then afterward travel there to hunt?
More than a few, and people have been doing it well before OnX came onboard by noting prominent landscape features (i.e. mountain ranges out West), snagging data off of images, and some even going so far of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests to find out where some of the larger outfits have pulled permits to film on National Forrest wilderness areas out west. With a little intuition and spare time, it's not hard. Point being, this stuff has been going on for years, and tools like OnX only make it easier. I've seen people post imagery with road names, lakes, creeks, national forest road signs, you name it.
DH1988's point is well taken - why make it so easy? I've found OnX locations literally within 5 minutes with some of the YouTube videos.
Deerhint1988....I see your angle and I understand you're trying to draw "awareness" to the issue at hand. However, have you ever stopped and thought just for one second the damage that you're solely doing all on your own by constantly bringing up "things" and other various topics, strictly in the name of "awareness"? I mean for the few people that haven't watched the video that frequent this forum. You want to be very clear for them to stop the video, zoom in, take notes, so they can be certain they get that exact location. Because Tommy sitting at home doesn't have sense enough to do that on his own. But just in case he doesn't have sense enough to pause a video. You want to be certain, that if he can read, he still gets the message on this forum of wherever your "awareness" platform takes you. I mean let's start a thread just to "show" how easy it is because a you tube video isn't enough. You decide there needs to be a thread dedicated to it.
Instead of hoping no one catches it, sees it, or recognizes it...you'll just be certain to draw as much attention to it as possible, as if there isn't already enough. You can save me it's a draw state yada yada yada crap. You're constant negative publicity on these forums snd your social media is just as bad and as detrimental and draws just as much attention as a guy posing with a turkey hanging on the national forest sign...which I miss bye the way. Of course, if one was wanting to be discreet and secretive, one could always post pictures of themselves with a face mask on....I really miss those the most. I just wonder why rocks snd glass don't mix so well.
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I wish I had enough time to worry about where someone else is hunting.
Quote from: Burney Mac on February 24, 2022, 08:51:22 PM
Deerhint1988....I see your angle and I understand you're trying to draw "awareness" to the issue at hand. However, have you ever stopped and thought just for one second the damage that you're solely doing all on your own by constantly bringing up "things" and other various topics, strictly in the name of "awareness"? I mean for the few people that haven't watched the video that frequent this forum. You want to be very clear for them to stop the video, zoom in, take notes, so they can be certain they get that exact location. Because Tommy sitting at home doesn't have sense enough to do that on his own. But just in case he doesn't have sense enough to pause a video. You want to be certain, that if he can read, he still gets the message on this forum of wherever your "awareness" platform takes you. I mean let's start a thread just to "show" how easy it is because a you tube video isn't enough. You decide there needs to be a thread dedicated to it.
Instead of hoping no one catches it, sees it, or recognizes it...you'll just be certain to draw as much attention to it as possible, as if there isn't already enough. You can save me it's a draw state yada yada yada crap. You're constant negative publicity on these forums snd your social media is just as bad and as detrimental and draws just as much attention as a guy posing with a turkey hanging on the national forest sign...which I miss bye the way. Of course, if one was wanting to be discreet and secretive, one could always post pictures of themselves with a face mask on....I really miss those the most. I just wonder why rocks snd glass don't mix so well.
I love what he did. It's exactly what is needed to make change. It may not affect the YouTube Allstars because they will be off to other states, but maybe this can begin to piss enough people off to turn the tides a little bit.
Keep it up. Blow the whole dang thing up.
Quote from: g8rvet on February 24, 2022, 07:24:53 PM
I had a nice day on a public area duck hunting. We were posting pics of our best day of the year. It is a member site like this one. I blurred out the background with Paint so you could not tell where it was. I took a ton of flak from folks about how it was a douche move. I just laughed and said the internet is forever. Got about 3 PMs from fellow members that knew where I was because we see each other there and they all thanked me. Common sense should be called uncommon sense because most folks ain't got it.
We do that alot with fishing pictures. Some of these houses and docks are easy to figure out. Gotta have fun though. I'll draw trees and birds in the background.
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Also turn off location on pictures. No just hunting n fishing but also pictures of family.
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I watched one of Dave's last videos and I'm sure he was hunting one of my local WMA's. He lives close by now and the terrain is identical to wear I hunt. I kept watching for some recognizable landmarks but he never showed any. I know this has been a big problem out west with mostly elk and deer hunters showing recognizable mountain features in their videos.
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You tube or not, if your hunting public land, sooner or later others are going to find your honeyhole.
You tube guys certainly haven't helped the situation, but state game departments also freely give out info and post it on their own websites too. Bottom line, if you found a great hunting spot, others will find it just like you did. Plan accordingly with alternate spots. Overcrowding will only get worse as time goes on.
Quote from: the Ward on February 25, 2022, 09:41:17 AM
You tube or not, if your hunting public land, sooner or later others are going to find your honeyhole.
You tube guys certainly haven't helped the situation, but state game departments also freely give out info and post it on their own websites too. Bottom line, if you found a great hunting spot, others will find it just like you did. Plan accordingly with alternate spots. Overcrowding will only get worse as time goes on.
The game dept info etc been around forever
Still, most people thought public land was trash hunting and would NEVER venture out blindly.
Fast forward to YouTube with VIDEO PROFF combined with ways people can figure out where that spot is, then it's off to the races
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Quote from: Bedge7767 on February 24, 2022, 10:03:40 PM
I wish I had enough time to worry about where someone else is hunting.
Exactly!! I wonder about these folks that annualize a video to determine where someone else is hunting.
Do they not know how to find there own hunting spots what are they searching for anyway .Find a new hobby!! Get over it it's not going to get better because you want it to.
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:hb2:Quote from: Bedge7767 on February 24, 2022, 10:03:40 PM
I wish I had enough time to worry about where someone else is hunting.
Exactly!! I wonder about these folks that annualize a video to determine where someone else is hunting.
Do they not know how to find there own hunting spots what are they searching for anyway .Find a new hobby!! Get over it it's not going to get better because you want it to.
I struggle with just letting it go without voicing concerns. Where does it stop? I think as hunters we should voice our opinions and speak out against actions that threaten the future of turkey hunting. Cyber scouting is nothing new, but these YT guys often lay it out on a silver platter. They should be held accountable, and hopefully change the content. Maybe we can educate against the ignorance of individuals for sharing and commenting specifics on Facebook, Instagram, or whatever platform. Some don't know any better and some just don't care. As with this post, THP doesn't care about much else than THP. OnX cares about the $$.
I must be wired differently. The last thing I'm going to do is try and find out where somebody is hunting. Why would I want to knowingly target hunted birds if I can help it. In the turkey woods people are not my friend. Dont get me wrong, On the road I'll stop and have a chat with you. If I'm in the woods hunting " your Da Debil!" Why would I search out areas that would likely inhabit "Da Debil?"
To the guys getting thier spots burned. The only thing I can say is Get over it. People been losing spots since the beginning. It's nothing new. I guess being an older public land hunter of everything, I'm just used to seeing trucks parked my "secret spots". Doesn't matter how they got there. They are there and I'm moving on.
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 11:07:01 AM
I must be wired differently. The last thing I'm going to do is try and find out where somebody is hunting. Why would I want to knowingly target hunted birds if I cant help it. In the turkey woods people are not my friend. Dont get me wrong, On the road I'll stop and have a chat with you. If I'm in the woods hunting " your Da Debil!" Why would I search out areas that would likely inhabit "Da Debil?"
To the guys getting thier spots burned. The only thing I can say is Get over it. People been losing spots since the beginning. It's nothing new. I guess being an older public land hunter of everything, I'm just used to seeing trucks parked my "secret spots". Doesn't matter how they got there. They are there and I'm moving on.
You're not looking at it through the eyes of the
"Do it for the gram" crowd
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So public land turkey hunters as a whole have to get over it because a few want to pimp out public turkeys for profit? Screw that thinking
And screw the FACT that Mississippi, Oklahoma, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, soon to be kentucky etc have put regulations in place to curb the numbers of hunters on public lands now. . We've lost March..... and now deal with 1 turkey limit/later openers/draws on public land. I hope the few get their glory because it coming at the expense of public hunters as a whole.
We should just get rid of all social media, and the internet while we are at. That would fix everything.
I say this often and think it is quite funny, but not too long ago before all the tubers hunting vids. all of these forums constantly claimed the TV "pro's" should try that on public land, they have it easy hunting all those private honey holes and could never kill anything on my public land spots..
Where do you think THP got the idea most likely.
Be careful what ya wish for!
Quote from: sasquatch1 on February 25, 2022, 11:27:19 AM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 11:07:01 AM
I must be wired differently. The last thing I'm going to do is try and find out where somebody is hunting. Why would I want to knowingly target hunted birds if I cant help it. In the turkey woods people are not my friend. Dont get me wrong, On the road I'll stop and have a chat with you. If I'm in the woods hunting " your Da Debil!" Why would I search out areas that would likely inhabit "Da Debil?"
To the guys getting thier spots burned. The only thing I can say is Get over it. People been losing spots since the beginning. It's nothing new. I guess being an older public land hunter of everything, I'm just used to seeing trucks parked my "secret spots". Doesn't matter how they got there. They are there and I'm moving on.
You're not looking at it through the eyes of the
"Do it for the gram" crowd
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Your right. I'm not. Thought I made that clear.
Quote from: arkrem870 on February 25, 2022, 11:33:45 AM
So public land turkey hunters as a whole have to get over it because a few want to pimp out public turkeys for profit? Screw that thinking
And screw the FACT that Mississippi, Oklahoma, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, soon to be kentucky etc have put regulations in place to curb the numbers of hunters on public lands now. . We've lost March..... and now deal with 1 turkey limit/later openers/draws on public land. I hope the few get their glory because it coming at the expense of public hunters as a whole.
The only thing I hear in that statement is mine, mine, mine, go get your own. Im guilty of it as well. Been there done that. Probably numb to the fact. Would I like it to change? Sure would! Will it? Most likely not.
Reminds me of a saying that went around the fishing crowd a few years back. The version from this thread would be,"SHUT UP AND HUNT!"
Where do you live^?
I get everyone's point, I get so annoyed during deer season with all the out of state hunters. The Saturday before opening Monday all the trucks with out of state plates pulling their trailers loaded with 4wheelers and corn. Wish everyone would just stay in their home state.
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I've never been to any of the spots that they post the onx screen shots of so I wouldn't know if the terrain matches but I wonder if they just pull up a random spot on on x and put their name and bird location on that instead of where they are actually hunting. Videos in years past used to have a asterisk at the bottom and they would say example map when they were trying to showcase a feature or situation they were hunting
Im a Florida native, they have only been to my state one time that I know of and I knew exactly where they were at just from the features in the videos even without a map screenshot
It matters a great deal.... As southern hunters have seen the largest pressure increase and are dealing with loss of season/limits/draw etc. Frankly we go north for easy gobblers and less pressure.
Didn't Pinhoti get his windows busted out in one state? Not really to steal anything but more to send a message?
Quote from: arkrem870 on February 25, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
It matters a great deal.... As southern hunters have seen the largest pressure increase and are dealing with loss of season/limits/draw etc. Frankly we go north for easy gobblers and less pressure.
This.
Also once the seasons up there open the whole damn country is open.
It not near the crowding affect of everyone racing to the early opener
Yea they could pick their way through the north at the end but many are already burned out and or there's still several states open to spread the pressure out.
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Quote from: arkrem870 on February 25, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
It matters a great deal.... As southern hunters have seen the largest pressure increase and are dealing with loss of season/limits/draw etc. Frankly we go north for easy gobblers and less pressure.
You say that like I don't hunt the south? Like I don't have places there that I have worked hard to find keep secret. Spots that I can return too after not having been in 20 yrs and bring home gobblers. You say that like I haven't spent over 30 days in Ga in one trip learning to hunt tough pressured "southern gobblers". Like I haven't spent week long trips to Arkansas only to come home with bad poison oak. Like I haven't seen the hay days of Missouri........ You say that like I don't know what I'm talking about. Stereotype much?
I got some news for you. Turkey's are turkeys no mater where you hunt them. They can be just as tough up here in Mn and just as easy down there in the south. And pressure is everywhere on public land.
The apathy for the resource and future of turkey hunting within the current turkey hunting culture is astounding. Absolutely amazing!!! It is apathy to suggest everyone should just accept the increased pressures on localized populations and continued loss of hunting opportunities. Think outside the box (critical thinking).... This is NOT a positive for our future. Frankly, it's disappointing.
For the thousandth time, plus a million more, the argument against the information free for all is not about "I", "Me", working harder, walking farther, be creative, find a new honey hole. Not sure how much more clear that can be stated.
I hope we never get invaded by a foreign power.... "Get over it boys, it's a sign of the times. Accept it and move on".
We aren't asking to blow up the internet, just asking that those on YT, FB, Forums, etc. change the content that is shared.
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Quote from: arkrem870 on February 25, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
It matters a great deal.... As southern hunters have seen the largest pressure increase and are dealing with loss of season/limits/draw etc. Frankly we go north for easy gobblers and less pressure.
You say that like I don't hunt the south? Like I don't have places there that I have worked hard to find keep secret. Spots that I can return too after not having been in 20 yrs and bring home gobblers. You say that like I haven't spent over 30 days in Ga in one trip learning to hunt tough pressured "southern gobblers". Like I haven't spent week long trips to Arkansas only to come home with bad poison oak. Like I haven't seen the hay days of Missouri........ You say that like I don't know what I'm talking about. Stereotype much?
I got some news for you. Turkey's are turkeys no mater where you hunt them. They can be just as tough up here in Mn and just as easy down there in the south. And pressure is everywhere on public land.
All this past tense talk. When last have you been? 20 years ago?
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Just giving you my perspective of 30 years successfully hunting the south extensively. Now our seasons have been shortened and public land regulations have been tightened to deal with the added pressure of loose lips. Sure I've lost spots. Sure I've found new ones. That's not my point. I'm talking about southern turkey hunters losing our nearby hunting opportunities / seasons so a few can profit off the resource.
Quote from: arkrem870 on February 25, 2022, 02:15:48 PM
Just giving you my perspective of 30 years successfully hunting the south extensively. Now our seasons have been shortened and public land regulations have been tightened to deal with the added pressure of loose lips. Sure I've lost spots. Sure I've found new ones. That's not my point. I'm talking about southern turkey hunters losing our nearby hunting opportunities / seasons so a few can profit off the resource.
It's just getting started. Sooner or later it will come to a home near (_____) if it keeps up
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How about, if you guys want to be activists, go the source. Take a look around the perimeter of this message board. That's where you start. They and the companies like them have more power to control the fate of the resource than any Youtube video guys. If you want no more YouTube vids tell them and show them that you don't like them supporting........whatever it is you don't like.......You don't like watching people shoot jakes, you dont like people naming states.
All I'm saying boys is if your serious take it to the top. Find out who supports them and let them have it. Let the sponsors know things need to change. The only way to do that is hurt their bottom lines more than if they weren't promoting turkey hunting. Feel like saying good bye to your Mossy Oak Original Bottomlands. Have at it.
Any thing else is...well......just complaining on a message board.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on February 25, 2022, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: arkrem870 on February 25, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
It matters a great deal.... As southern hunters have seen the largest pressure increase and are dealing with loss of season/limits/draw etc. Frankly we go north for easy gobblers and less pressure.
You say that like I don't hunt the south? Like I don't have places there that I have worked hard to find keep secret. Spots that I can return too after not having been in 20 yrs and bring home gobblers. You say that like I haven't spent over 30 days in Ga in one trip learning to hunt tough pressured "southern gobblers". Like I haven't spent week long trips to Arkansas only to come home with bad poison oak. Like I haven't seen the hay days of Missouri........ You say that like I don't know what I'm talking about. Stereotype much?
I got some news for you. Turkey's are turkeys no mater where you hunt them. They can be just as tough up here in Mn and just as easy down there in the south. And pressure is everywhere on public land.
All this past tense talk. When last have you been? 20 years ago?
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Last year. Do you want know how many brought I home too? Maybe the color of the under of the underwear I was wearing when I shot them?
Sometimes it works out in your favor. I was watching a video last spring and instantly recognized the spot as a field I've shot a couple deer off of. The problem was it was a NR hunting in an area closed to NRs. Needless to say they won't be back.
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 03:00:22 PM
How about, if you guys want to be activists, go the source. Take a look around the perimeter of this message board. That's where you start. They and the companies like them have more power to control the fate of the resource than any Youtube video guys. If you want no more YouTube vids tell them and show them that you don't like them supporting........whatever it is you don't like.......You don't like watching people shoot jakes, you dont like people naming states.
All I'm saying boys is if your serious take it to the top. Find out who supports them and let them have it. Let the sponsors know things need to change. The only way to do that is hurt their bottom lines more than if they weren't promoting turkey hunting. Feel like saying good bye to your Mossy Oak Original Bottomlands. Have at it.
Any thing else is...well......just complaining on a message board.
......and I'd like to add, good luck.
Many have been working on the issue. But what would help immediately if people on forums and people on social media etc would quit watching their videos. Without the clicks/views they have nothing.
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 03:00:22 PM
How about, if you guys want to be activists, go the source. Take a look around the perimeter of this message board. That's where you start. They and the companies like them have more power to control the fate of the resource than any Youtube video guys. If you want no more YouTube vids tell them and show them that you don't like them supporting........whatever it is you don't like.......You don't like watching people shoot jakes, you dont like people naming states.
All I'm saying boys is if your serious take it to the top. Find out who supports them and let them have it. Let the sponsors know things need to change. The only way to do that is hurt their bottom lines more than if they weren't promoting turkey hunting. Feel like saying good bye to your Mossy Oak Original Bottomlands. Have at it.
Any thing else is...well......just complaining on a message board.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on February 25, 2022, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: arkrem870 on February 25, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
It matters a great deal.... As southern hunters have seen the largest pressure increase and are dealing with loss of season/limits/draw etc. Frankly we go north for easy gobblers and less pressure.
You say that like I don't hunt the south? Like I don't have places there that I have worked hard to find keep secret. Spots that I can return too after not having been in 20 yrs and bring home gobblers. You say that like I haven't spent over 30 days in Ga in one trip learning to hunt tough pressured "southern gobblers". Like I haven't spent week long trips to Arkansas only to come home with bad poison oak. Like I haven't seen the hay days of Missouri........ You say that like I don't know what I'm talking about. Stereotype much?
I got some news for you. Turkey's are turkeys no mater where you hunt them. They can be just as tough up here in Mn and just as easy down there in the south. And pressure is everywhere on public land.
All this past tense talk. When last have you been? 20 years ago?
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Last year. Do you want know how many brought I home too? Maybe the color of the under of the underwear I was wearing when I shot them?
Hey, you the one that went on talking about all your has been stuff.
Seems I would have led with what I recently did vs what I use to do. Especially being we are all talking about RECENT changes.
Also, several on here have brought it up to the top, going as far as meeting with some of the youtubers to discuss view points.
And sure, if you offering pony it on up. I hope it wasn't a pinhoti thong.
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Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 03:00:22 PM
How about, if you guys want to be activists, go the source. Take a look around the perimeter of this message board. That's where you start. They and the companies like them have more power to control the fate of the resource than any Youtube video guys. If you want no more YouTube vids tell them and show them that you don't like them supporting........whatever it is you don't like.......You don't like watching people shoot jakes, you dont like people naming states.
All I'm saying boys is if your serious take it to the top. Find out who supports them and let them have it. Let the sponsors know things need to change. The only way to do that is hurt their bottom lines more than if they weren't promoting turkey hunting. Feel like saying good bye to your Mossy Oak Original Bottomlands. Have at it.
Any thing else is...well......just complaining on a message board.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on February 25, 2022, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: arkrem870 on February 25, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
It matters a great deal.... As southern hunters have seen the largest pressure increase and are dealing with loss of season/limits/draw etc. Frankly we go north for easy gobblers and less pressure.
You say that like I don't hunt the south? Like I don't have places there that I have worked hard to find keep secret. Spots that I can return too after not having been in 20 yrs and bring home gobblers. You say that like I haven't spent over 30 days in Ga in one trip learning to hunt tough pressured "southern gobblers". Like I haven't spent week long trips to Arkansas only to come home with bad poison oak. Like I haven't seen the hay days of Missouri........ You say that like I don't know what I'm talking about. Stereotype much?
I got some news for you. Turkey's are turkeys no mater where you hunt them. They can be just as tough up here in Mn and just as easy down there in the south. And pressure is everywhere on public land.
All this past tense talk. When last have you been? 20 years ago?
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Last year. Do you want know how many brought home too? Maybe the color of the under of the underwear I was wearing when I shot them?
The source is the irresponsibility by many on YT, FB, and forums. Joe X is just as guilty on FB pics of WMA signs as the THP is for promoting National Forest land in North XYZ state.
What if enough hunters are educated to the negative impacts? Maybe Joe X has never been educated of the negative impacts. What if as a whole the masses don't just shrug their shoulders and say "oh, well. It's entertaining, you should just work harder and get over it"? Change the culture from the bottom up. Pull the rug out from under the nonsense and demand some change. Speak out against it and quit punching the "Like" button. Do you honestly think Mossy Oak is going to quit promoting Dave Owens or OnX is going to quit utilizing THP without a mass reduction in sales?? Negatory. They are going to keep counting that money. Some of these YT guys (not all) are flipping you the finger while filing another order on the fan club hat, decal, and shirt. This has to be change from the foundation and what is to be accepted by the turkey hunting community.
Here's the biggest What If. What if someone provides a solid answer as to why we are wrong? What if someone eloquently explains how promoting specifics has been a positive for localized turkey populations and turkey hunting opportunities? I welcome at least one response with substance.
It's like half the cultural nonsense in this country..... where does it start? In the home.
I am also one who has spoken out on good spots to go publicly.
Go way back in my post you'll see them. I once was naive in thinking there's ever be measurable harm that can be done.
And boy oh boy was I wrong. I've seen one place turn into a total nightmare from it. Part of the blame i feel is on me for it too. I won't even step foot on that place again when you once could hunt it in solitude.
I've learned and adapted. I'll still help a small group out in PRIVATE messages only.
If you think having opportunities takes away is no big deal idk what to tell you. But it sucks. Want to know how bad it can get look to the west for elk hunting. Wanna Talk about opportunities shrinking? There's all you need there
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Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 02:11:34 PM
The apathy for the resource and future of turkey hunting within the current turkey hunting culture is astounding. Absolutely amazing!!! It is apathy to suggest everyone should just accept the increased pressures on localized populations and continued loss of hunting opportunities. Think outside the box (critical thinking).... This is NOT a positive for our future. Frankly, it's disappointing.
For the thousandth time, plus a million more, the argument against the information free for all is not about "I", "Me", working harder, walking farther, be creative, find a new honey hole. Not sure how much more clear that can be stated.
I hope we never get invaded by a foreign power.... "Get over it boys, it's a sign of the times. Accept it and move on".
We aren't asking to blow up the internet, just asking that those on YT, FB, Forums, etc. change the content that is shared.
Show up on the door step with 100,000 signatures from people stating they disagree with whatever company supporting whatever cause. Bet that might get some attention.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
The source is the irresponsibility by many on YT, FB, and forums. Joe X is just as guilty on FB pics of WMA signs as the THP is for promoting National Forest land in North XYZ state.
DAMN STRAIGHT!!!
Travelling/public land hunting wouldn't be so popular on YouTube had it not been glamorized on Forums and Social Media beforehand. You can't knock a small hole in a dam and then get upset when it erodes into a much larger hole. That water is lost and will never go back in.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 03:00:22 PM
How about, if you guys want to be activists, go the source. Take a look around the perimeter of this message board. That's where you start. They and the companies like them have more power to control the fate of the resource than any Youtube video guys. If you want no more YouTube vids tell them and show them that you don't like them supporting........whatever it is you don't like.......You don't like watching people shoot jakes, you dont like people naming states.
All I'm saying boys is if your serious take it to the top. Find out who supports them and let them have it. Let the sponsors know things need to change. The only way to do that is hurt their bottom lines more than if they weren't promoting turkey hunting. Feel like saying good bye to your Mossy Oak Original Bottomlands. Have at it.
Any thing else is...well......just complaining on a message board.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on February 25, 2022, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: arkrem870 on February 25, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
It matters a great deal.... As southern hunters have seen the largest pressure increase and are dealing with loss of season/limits/draw etc. Frankly we go north for easy gobblers and less pressure.
You say that like I don't hunt the south? Like I don't have places there that I have worked hard to find keep secret. Spots that I can return too after not having been in 20 yrs and bring home gobblers. You say that like I haven't spent over 30 days in Ga in one trip learning to hunt tough pressured "southern gobblers". Like I haven't spent week long trips to Arkansas only to come home with bad poison oak. Like I haven't seen the hay days of Missouri........ You say that like I don't know what I'm talking about. Stereotype much?
I got some news for you. Turkey's are turkeys no mater where you hunt them. They can be just as tough up here in Mn and just as easy down there in the south. And pressure is everywhere on public land.
All this past tense talk. When last have you been? 20 years ago?
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Last year. Do you want know how many brought home too? Maybe the color of the under of the underwear I was wearing when I shot them?
The source is the irresponsibility by many on YT, FB, and forums. Joe X is just as guilty on FB pics of WMA signs as the THP is for promoting National Forest land in North XYZ state.
What if enough hunters are educated to the negative impacts? Maybe Joe X has never been educated of the negative impacts. What if as a whole the masses don't just shrug their shoulders and say "oh, well. It's entertaining, you should just work harder and get over it"? Change the culture from the bottom up. Pull the rug out from under the nonsense and demand some change. Speak out against it and quit punching the "Like" button. Do you honestly think Mossy Oak is going to quit promoting Dave Owens or OnX is going to quit utilizing THP without a mass reduction in sales?? Negatory. They are going to keep counting that money. Some of these YT guys (not all) are flipping you the finger while filing another order on the fan club hat, decal, and shirt. This has to be change from the foundation and what is to be accepted by the turkey hunting community.
Here's the biggest What If. What if someone provides a solid answer as to why we are wrong? What if someone eloquently explains how promoting specifics has been a positive for localized turkey populations and turkey hunting opportunities? I welcome at least one response with substance.
It's like half the cultural nonsense in this country..... where does it start? In the home.
I'll bite.
What if these state agencies actually used the funds they've allocated for promoting and exploiting the resource, actually used and directed those funds for research before hand. All we ever hear is they're short on money. That's why the food plots on XYZ WMA is in broom straw and green briars but that NWTF sign looks good though don't it. How do they miraculously find money to pay groups to come film and showcase a certain state yet never have the man power or the money to properly do the job and task in which they are payed to do in the first place. However, in the meantime we're going to throw darts at the board because the simplest and easiest way to quickly mitigate the issue at hand is to control the one variable they can which is man. Never mind the influx and added pressure that was due in some degree and payed for mind you by the very agency or agencies that are telling is they have resources best interest in mind.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 02:11:34 PM
The apathy for the resource and future of turkey hunting within the current turkey hunting culture is astounding. Absolutely amazing!!! It is apathy to suggest everyone should just accept the increased pressures on localized populations and continued loss of hunting opportunities. Think outside the box (critical thinking).... This is NOT a positive for our future. Frankly, it's disappointing.
For the thousandth time, plus a million more, the argument against the information free for all is not about "I", "Me", working harder, walking farther, be creative, find a new honey hole. Not sure how much more clear that can be stated.
I hope we never get invaded by a foreign power.... "Get over it boys, it's a sign of the times. Accept it and move on".
We aren't asking to blow up the internet, just asking that those on YT, FB, Forums, etc. change the content that is shared.
Well said. This Paulmyr fella is having trouble understanding that.
Quote from: Burney Mac on February 25, 2022, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 03:00:22 PM
How about, if you guys want to be activists, go the source. Take a look around the perimeter of this message board. That's where you start. They and the companies like them have more power to control the fate of the resource than any Youtube video guys. If you want no more YouTube vids tell them and show them that you don't like them supporting........whatever it is you don't like.......You don't like watching people shoot jakes, you dont like people naming states.
All I'm saying boys is if your serious take it to the top. Find out who supports them and let them have it. Let the sponsors know things need to change. The only way to do that is hurt their bottom lines more than if they weren't promoting turkey hunting. Feel like saying good bye to your Mossy Oak Original Bottomlands. Have at it.
Any thing else is...well......just complaining on a message board.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on February 25, 2022, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: arkrem870 on February 25, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
It matters a great deal.... As southern hunters have seen the largest pressure increase and are dealing with loss of season/limits/draw etc. Frankly we go north for easy gobblers and less pressure.
You say that like I don't hunt the south? Like I don't have places there that I have worked hard to find keep secret. Spots that I can return too after not having been in 20 yrs and bring home gobblers. You say that like I haven't spent over 30 days in Ga in one trip learning to hunt tough pressured "southern gobblers". Like I haven't spent week long trips to Arkansas only to come home with bad poison oak. Like I haven't seen the hay days of Missouri........ You say that like I don't know what I'm talking about. Stereotype much?
I got some news for you. Turkey's are turkeys no mater where you hunt them. They can be just as tough up here in Mn and just as easy down there in the south. And pressure is everywhere on public land.
All this past tense talk. When last have you been? 20 years ago?
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Last year. Do you want know how many brought home too? Maybe the color of the under of the underwear I was wearing when I shot them?
The source is the irresponsibility by many on YT, FB, and forums. Joe X is just as guilty on FB pics of WMA signs as the THP is for promoting National Forest land in North XYZ state.
What if enough hunters are educated to the negative impacts? Maybe Joe X has never been educated of the negative impacts. What if as a whole the masses don't just shrug their shoulders and say "oh, well. It's entertaining, you should just work harder and get over it"? Change the culture from the bottom up. Pull the rug out from under the nonsense and demand some change. Speak out against it and quit punching the "Like" button. Do you honestly think Mossy Oak is going to quit promoting Dave Owens or OnX is going to quit utilizing THP without a mass reduction in sales?? Negatory. They are going to keep counting that money. Some of these YT guys (not all) are flipping you the finger while filing another order on the fan club hat, decal, and shirt. This has to be change from the foundation and what is to be accepted by the turkey hunting community.
Here's the biggest What If. What if someone provides a solid answer as to why we are wrong? What if someone eloquently explains how promoting specifics has been a positive for localized turkey populations and turkey hunting opportunities? I welcome at least one response with substance.
It's like half the cultural nonsense in this country..... where does it start? In the home.
I'll bite.
What if these state agencies actually used the funds they've allocated for promoting and exploiting the resource, actually used and directed those funds for research before hand. All we ever hear is they're short on money. That's why the food plots on XYZ WMA is in broom straw and green briars but that NWTF sign looks good though don't it. How do they miraculously find money to pay groups to come film and showcase a certain state yet never have the man power or the money to properly do the job and task in which they are payed to do in the first place. However, in the meantime we're going to throw darts at the board because the simplest and easiest way to quickly mitigate the issue at hand is to control the one variable they can which is man. Never mind the influx and added pressure that was due in some degree and payed for mind you by the very agency or agencies that are telling is they have resources best interest in mind.
I agree!!! Also, Arkansas is living proof that a state can't regulate its way out of population issues.
Quite frankly, regarding hunting, I can't help but think it would be better if all forms of social media didn't exist...including all forums, this included.
Quote from: Burney Mac on February 25, 2022, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 03:00:22 PM
How about, if you guys want to be activists, go the source. Take a look around the perimeter of this message board. That's where you start. They and the companies like them have more power to control the fate of the resource than any Youtube video guys. If you want no more YouTube vids tell them and show them that you don't like them supporting........whatever it is you don't like.......You don't like watching people shoot jakes, you dont like people naming states.
All I'm saying boys is if your serious take it to the top. Find out who supports them and let them have it. Let the sponsors know things need to change. The only way to do that is hurt their bottom lines more than if they weren't promoting turkey hunting. Feel like saying good bye to your Mossy Oak Original Bottomlands. Have at it.
Any thing else is...well......just complaining on a message board.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on February 25, 2022, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: arkrem870 on February 25, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
It matters a great deal.... As southern hunters have seen the largest pressure increase and are dealing with loss of season/limits/draw etc. Frankly we go north for easy gobblers and less pressure.
You say that like I don't hunt the south? Like I don't have places there that I have worked hard to find keep secret. Spots that I can return too after not having been in 20 yrs and bring home gobblers. You say that like I haven't spent over 30 days in Ga in one trip learning to hunt tough pressured "southern gobblers". Like I haven't spent week long trips to Arkansas only to come home with bad poison oak. Like I haven't seen the hay days of Missouri........ You say that like I don't know what I'm talking about. Stereotype much?
I got some news for you. Turkey's are turkeys no mater where you hunt them. They can be just as tough up here in Mn and just as easy down there in the south. And pressure is everywhere on public land.
All this past tense talk. When last have you been? 20 years ago?
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Last year. Do you want know how many brought home too? Maybe the color of the under of the underwear I was wearing when I shot them?
The source is the irresponsibility by many on YT, FB, and forums. Joe X is just as guilty on FB pics of WMA signs as the THP is for promoting National Forest land in North XYZ state.
What if enough hunters are educated to the negative impacts? Maybe Joe X has never been educated of the negative impacts. What if as a whole the masses don't just shrug their shoulders and say "oh, well. It's entertaining, you should just work harder and get over it"? Change the culture from the bottom up. Pull the rug out from under the nonsense and demand some change. Speak out against it and quit punching the "Like" button. Do you honestly think Mossy Oak is going to quit promoting Dave Owens or OnX is going to quit utilizing THP without a mass reduction in sales?? Negatory. They are going to keep counting that money. Some of these YT guys (not all) are flipping you the finger while filing another order on the fan club hat, decal, and shirt. This has to be change from the foundation and what is to be accepted by the turkey hunting community.
Here's the biggest What If. What if someone provides a solid answer as to why we are wrong? What if someone eloquently explains how promoting specifics has been a positive for localized turkey populations and turkey hunting opportunities? I welcome at least one response with substance.
It's like half the cultural nonsense in this country..... where does it start? In the home.
I'll bite.
What if these state agencies actually used the funds they've allocated for promoting and exploiting the resource, actually used and directed those funds for research before hand. All we ever hear is they're short on money. That's why the food plots on XYZ WMA is in broom straw and green briars but that NWTF sign looks good though don't it. How do they miraculously find money to pay groups to come film and showcase a certain state yet never have the man power or the money to properly do the job and task in which they are payed to do in the first place. However, in the meantime we're going to throw darts at the board because the simplest and easiest way to quickly mitigate the issue at hand is to control the one variable they can which is man. Never mind the influx and added pressure that was due in some degree and payed for mind you by the very agency or agencies that are telling is they have resources best interest in mind.
Signatures work real well on politicians. It's how the anti's get what they want.
If these types of things effect your ability to kill a turkey, that's YOUR problem. Improvise, adapt and overcome. I cannot get on board with this poor me attitude. Stay in here whining, I'll be out finding birds
Quote from: aaron on February 25, 2022, 07:53:23 PM
If these types of things effect your ability to kill a turkey, that's YOUR problem. Improvise, adapt and overcome. I cannot get on board with this poor me attitude. Stay in here whining, I'll be out finding birds
Care to elaborate on any references made to the lack of finding turkeys, killing turkeys, improvising, adapting, overcoming, walking farther, or working harder? Not a poor me attitude or a "my" problem. Much larger than that.
Quote from: Burney Mac on February 25, 2022, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 03:00:22 PM
How about, if you guys want to be activists, go the source. Take a look around the perimeter of this message board. That's where you start. They and the companies like them have more power to control the fate of the resource than any Youtube video guys. If you want no more YouTube vids tell them and show them that you don't like them supporting........whatever it is you don't like.......You don't like watching people shoot jakes, you dont like people naming states.
All I'm saying boys is if your serious take it to the top. Find out who supports them and let them have it. Let the sponsors know things need to change. The only way to do that is hurt their bottom lines more than if they weren't promoting turkey hunting. Feel like saying good bye to your Mossy Oak Original Bottomlands. Have at it.
Any thing else is...well......just complaining on a message board.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on February 25, 2022, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: arkrem870 on February 25, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
It matters a great deal.... As southern hunters have seen the largest pressure increase and are dealing with loss of season/limits/draw etc. Frankly we go north for easy gobblers and less pressure.
You say that like I don't hunt the south? Like I don't have places there that I have worked hard to find keep secret. Spots that I can return too after not having been in 20 yrs and bring home gobblers. You say that like I haven't spent over 30 days in Ga in one trip learning to hunt tough pressured "southern gobblers". Like I haven't spent week long trips to Arkansas only to come home with bad poison oak. Like I haven't seen the hay days of Missouri........ You say that like I don't know what I'm talking about. Stereotype much?
I got some news for you. Turkey's are turkeys no mater where you hunt them. They can be just as tough up here in Mn and just as easy down there in the south. And pressure is everywhere on public land.
All this past tense talk. When last have you been? 20 years ago?
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Last year. Do you want know how many brought home too? Maybe the color of the under of the underwear I was wearing when I shot them?
The source is the irresponsibility by many on YT, FB, and forums. Joe X is just as guilty on FB pics of WMA signs as the THP is for promoting National Forest land in North XYZ state.
What if enough hunters are educated to the negative impacts? Maybe Joe X has never been educated of the negative impacts. What if as a whole the masses don't just shrug their shoulders and say "oh, well. It's entertaining, you should just work harder and get over it"? Change the culture from the bottom up. Pull the rug out from under the nonsense and demand some change. Speak out against it and quit punching the "Like" button. Do you honestly think Mossy Oak is going to quit promoting Dave Owens or OnX is going to quit utilizing THP without a mass reduction in sales?? Negatory. They are going to keep counting that money. Some of these YT guys (not all) are flipping you the finger while filing another order on the fan club hat, decal, and shirt. This has to be change from the foundation and what is to be accepted by the turkey hunting community.
Here's the biggest What If. What if someone provides a solid answer as to why we are wrong? What if someone eloquently explains how promoting specifics has been a positive for localized turkey populations and turkey hunting opportunities? I welcome at least one response with substance.
It's like half the cultural nonsense in this country..... where does it start? In the home.
I'll bite.
What if these state agencies actually used the funds they've allocated for promoting and exploiting the resource, actually used and directed those funds for research before hand. All we ever hear is they're short on money. That's why the food plots on XYZ WMA is in broom straw and green briars but that NWTF sign looks good though don't it. How do they miraculously find money to pay groups to come film and showcase a certain state yet never have the man power or the money to properly do the job and task in which they are payed to do in the first place. However, in the meantime we're going to throw darts at the board because the simplest and easiest way to quickly mitigate the issue at hand is to control the one variable they can which is man. Never mind the influx and added pressure that was due in some degree and payed for mind you by the very agency or agencies that are telling is they have resources best interest in mind.
In the case of TN, the tourism agency worked against the TWRA.. while the tourism was paying the influencers, the TWRA was shortening the season and reducing bag limits to help curb the decline. While one agency was encouraging more non resident hunting, the other was taking opportunity away from residents and non-residents alike... Not my clowns, not my circus.
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In the case of TN, the tourism agency worked against the TWRA.. while the tourism was paying the influencers, the TWRA was shortening the season and reducing bag limits to help curb the decline. While one agency was encouraging more non resident hunting, the other was taking opportunity away from residents and non-residents alike... Not my clowns, not my circus.
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Same for Georgia. Lost one bird off the limit, later start date and even later WMA start date and no more than one bird per day and no more than one bird per WMA.
We lost that while the state was paying guys to come and shoot deer and turkeys and KNOWING the turkey population has been going down over the last 5 years.
Why pay a group to come in and promote the killing of a declining resource?
Quote from: btodd00 on February 25, 2022, 01:38:35 PM
I've never been to any of the spots that they post the onx screen shots of so I wouldn't know if the terrain matches but I wonder if they just pull up a random spot on on x and put their name and bird location on that instead of where they are actually hunting. Videos in years past used to have a asterisk at the bottom and they would say example map when they were trying to showcase a feature or situation they were hunting
Yes they do this. I can't speak for the specific map in question, as I have not looked into it. But I know for a fact they use example maps of other areas with similar terrain. This has been a known issue for some time, and I can promise nobody that I personally know in the YouTube world is deliberately trying to give away a spot.
I myself use example maps every time I show a map in a video. It might be from the other side of the county, or in another state, it might be public or private, doesn't matter. If ever show a map in a video, it's nowhere near where I'm actually hunting. A simple illustration with similar terrain features is all that is needed, it does not mean it's the actual location of the hunt.
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Quote from: catman529 on February 26, 2022, 12:24:15 AM
Quote from: btodd00 on February 25, 2022, 01:38:35 PM
I've never been to any of the spots that they post the onx screen shots of so I wouldn't know if the terrain matches but I wonder if they just pull up a random spot on on x and put their name and bird location on that instead of where they are actually hunting. Videos in years past used to have a asterisk at the bottom and they would say example map when they were trying to showcase a feature or situation they were hunting
Yes they do this. I can't speak for the specific map in question, as I have not looked into it. But I know for a fact they use example maps of other areas with similar terrain. This has been a known issue for some time, and I can promise nobody that I personally know in the YouTube world is deliberately trying to give away a spot.
I myself use example maps every time I show a map in a video. It might be from the other side of the county, or in another state, it might be public or private, doesn't matter. If ever show a map in a video, it's nowhere near where I'm actually hunting. A simple illustration with similar terrain features is all that is needed, it does not mean it's the actual location of the hunt.
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Do y'all also drive way away to different locations to show a random forest gate?
You know, to trick people?
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Some here seem to think this is new phenomena, people losing spots because of something posted on the Internet. They come here to rally the troops. This argument has been had since before OG was a twinkle in shanon's eye, probably in every hunting forum known to man. Its not new, your not making anybody aware of anything they don't already know, except maybe how to internet search somebody's spot. Everybody is up in arms but nobody ever does anything. It's not new. It happens every year.
When I start seeing online petitions and advocacy groups I'll know somebody's serious. You tube don't control the money they control a platform where money is distributed and grab a pile for themselves while they are at it. YouTube cant just reach out grab money off trees it has to come from somewhere. That's where the pressure needs to be applied. If the money stops flowing or threatens to stop flowing to YouTube somebody might take notice and do something. Pressure needs to be applied there on a number of fronts. They control the money . They'll have the most influence on the future of turkey hunting not YouTube, not guys making hunting vids.
As far as states getting named, and paying for influence.
Pretty sure your state/ district/ whoever representative isn't hanging around this message board. Take it up with them. They tend to listen when 100,000 people show up at their door and say " Hey! what the he'll is going on!." Showing up on this site picking fights with people and patting yourself on the back to spread awareness about something people have been aware of for over 20 years is.......well......I already stated my stance on that.
@Sasquatch1 They are boxer briefs and I was hunting the Pinhoti trail probably before Dave Owens was born and long before the Pinhoti project. Keep the kiddie games to yourself.......Kisatchie?
Because of the 1st few posts on this thread, I'll be signing off hoping this fades from the front page, you guys have at it. It's a free country. I said my peace
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 26, 2022, 01:24:46 AM
Some here seem to think this is new phenomena, people losing spots because of something posted on the Internet. They come here to rally the troops. This argument has been had since before OG was a twinkle in shanon's eye, probably in every hunting forum known to man. Its not new, your not making anybody aware of anything they don't already know, except maybe how to internet search somebody's spot. Everybody is up in arms but nobody ever does anything. It's not new. It happens every year.
When I start seeing online petitions and advocacy groups I'll know somebody's serious. You tube don't control the money they control a platform where money is distributed and grab a pile for themselves while they are at it. YouTube cant just reach out grab money off trees it has to come from somewhere. That's where the pressure needs to be applied. If the money stops flowing or threatens to stop flowing to YouTube somebody might take notice and do something. Pressure needs to be applied there on a number of fronts. They control the money . They'll have the most influence on the future of turkey hunting not YouTube, not guys making hunting vids.
As far as states getting named, and paying for influence.
Pretty sure your state/ district/ whoever representative isn't hanging around this message board. Take it up with them. They tend to listen when 100,000 people show up at their door and say " Hey! what the he'll is going on!." Showing up on this site picking fights with people and patting yourself on the back to spread awareness about something people have been aware of for over 20 years is.......well......I already stated my stance on that.
@Sasquatch1 They are boxer briefs and I was hunting the Pinhoti trail probably before Dave Owens was born and long before the Pinhoti project. Keep the kiddie games to yourself.......Kisatchie?
Because of the 1st few posts on this thread, I'll be signing off hoping this fades off the front page, you guys have at it. It's a free country. I said my peace
I don't recall anyone ever claiming this is a new issue, or that anyone wants a pat on the back. Please provide an instance to support that. How about provide something of substance rather than the usual deflection away from the actual issue of the discussion. I apologize that we obviously stepped on your toes.
So those that choose to share the information and profit at the expense of the resource should just get a free pass? We shouldn't ask them to be more mindful of the content shared? The infatuation runs deep.
So, actual substance (if you truly haven't peaced out).... Regardless of the platform or the source, do you support the sharing of content that adds pressure to localized turkey populations and plays a role in reducing opportunity? Simple Yes or No will suffice.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 26, 2022, 02:27:07 AM
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 26, 2022, 01:24:46 AM
Some here seem to think this is new phenomena, people losing spots because of something posted on the Internet. They come here to rally the troops. This argument has been had since before OG was a twinkle in shanon's eye, probably in every hunting forum known to man. Its not new, your not making anybody aware of anything they don't already know, except maybe how to internet search somebody's spot. Everybody is up in arms but nobody ever does anything. It's not new. It happens every year.
When I start seeing online petitions and advocacy groups I'll know somebody's serious. You tube don't control the money they control a platform where money is distributed and grab a pile for themselves while they are at it. YouTube cant just reach out grab money off trees it has to come from somewhere. That's where the pressure needs to be applied. If the money stops flowing or threatens to stop flowing to YouTube somebody might take notice and do something. Pressure needs to be applied there on a number of fronts. They control the money . They'll have the most influence on the future of turkey hunting not YouTube, not guys making hunting vids.
As far as states getting named, and paying for influence.
Pretty sure your state/ district/ whoever representative isn't hanging around this message board. Take it up with them. They tend to listen when 100,000 people show up at their door and say " Hey! what the he'll is going on!." Showing up on this site picking fights with people and patting yourself on the back to spread awareness about something people have been aware of for over 20 years is.......well......I already stated my stance on that.
@Sasquatch1 They are boxer briefs and I was hunting the Pinhoti trail probably before Dave Owens was born and long before the Pinhoti project. Keep the kiddie games to yourself.......Kisatchie?
Because of the 1st few posts on this thread, I'll be signing off hoping this fades off the front page, you guys have at it. It's a free country. I said my peace
I don't recall anyone ever claiming this is a new issue, or that anyone wants a pat on the back. Please provide an instance to support that. How about provide something of substance rather than the usual deflection away from the actual issue of the discussion. I apologize that we obviously stepped on your toes.
So those that choose to share the information and profit at the expense of the resource should just get a free pass? We shouldn't ask them to be more mindful of the content shared? The infatuation runs deep.
So, actual substance (if you truly haven't peaced out).... Regardless of the platform or the source, do you support the sharing of content that adds pressure to localized turkey populations and plays a role in reducing opportunity? Simple Yes or No will suffice.
Nope, I don't support it. I'm just saying everybody has heard the story and to throw the small fish back and go after the big ones. It cant be to hard to get an online petition started. I'd try that and see where it goes. You might actually gets something accomplished if you work hard enough. Until something like that happens, I'm afraid it's "business" as usual in all matters involving the future of the wild turkey.
It appears to me that some learned to walk before crawl. Hell they may have even been born talking and running already.
And guys please whatever we do, let's not try and handle it amongst ourselves, let's run to our politicians for help with a petition. That should work, our politicians are known for solving problems
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Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: aaron on February 25, 2022, 07:53:23 PM
If these types of things effect your ability to kill a turkey, that's YOUR problem. Improvise, adapt and overcome. I cannot get on board with this poor me attitude. Stay in here whining, I'll be out finding birds
Care to elaborate on any references made to the lack of finding turkeys, killing turkeys, improvising, adapting, overcoming, walking farther, or working harder? Not a poor me attitude or a "my" problem. Much larger than that.
I feel I said it about as cut and dry as I could. Care to elaborate on the "much bigger problem"? Hunter numbers are drastically down. Everywhere. My state at its peak sold 90,000 Turk we tags a year. We sell 60,000 now. Year In and year out. That's the bigger problem. Getting more people in our sport is the only way to ensure a lasting legacy.
Quote from: aaron on February 26, 2022, 05:35:58 AM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: aaron on February 25, 2022, 07:53:23 PM
If these types of things effect your ability to kill a turkey, that's YOUR problem. Improvise, adapt and overcome. I cannot get on board with this poor me attitude. Stay in here whining, I'll be out finding birds
Care to elaborate on any references made to the lack of finding turkeys, killing turkeys, improvising, adapting, overcoming, walking farther, or working harder? Not a poor me attitude or a "my" problem. Much larger than that.
I feel I said it about as cut and dry as I could. Care to elaborate on the "much bigger problem"? Hunter numbers are drastically down. Everywhere. My state at its peak sold 90,000 Turk we tags a year. We sell 60,000 now. Year In and year out. That's the bigger problem. Getting more people in our sport is the only way to ensure a lasting legacy.
I don't know where you are at but Montana has seen increases in license sales.
Drama like this has ruined more forums than anything else. Looks like this one is following the same path.
:TrainWreck1:
Quote from: CALLM2U on February 26, 2022, 09:13:11 AM
Drama like this has ruined more forums than anything else. Looks like this one is following the same path.
:TrainWreck1:
This is a debate. This is a turkey hunting forum. We can't debate issues that do and will effect the future of turkey hunting?
Quote from: aaron on February 26, 2022, 05:35:58 AM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: aaron on February 25, 2022, 07:53:23 PM
If these types of things effect your ability to kill a turkey, that's YOUR problem. Improvise, adapt and overcome. I cannot get on board with this poor me attitude. Stay in here whining, I'll be out finding birds
Care to elaborate on any references made to the lack of finding turkeys, killing turkeys, improvising, adapting, overcoming, walking farther, or working harder? Not a poor me attitude or a "my" problem. Much larger than that.
I feel I said it about as cut and dry as I could. Care to elaborate on the "much bigger problem"? Hunter numbers are drastically down. Everywhere. My state at its peak sold 90,000 Turk we tags a year. We sell 60,000 now. Year In and year out. That's the bigger problem. Getting more people in our sport is the only way to ensure a lasting legacy.
The issue is the pressure placed on localized populations that have been immortalized and burned on social media. It doesn't matter if your state is down, but pressure has been multiplied 5 fold in many highlighted areas. There are other ways to recruit hunters than over publicizing areas. That lasting legacy will crash and burn as opportunities continue to decrease....that's not going to bring more to the sport.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on February 26, 2022, 03:17:34 AM
It appears to me that some learned to walk before crawl. Hell they may have even been born talking and running already.
And guys please whatever we do, let's not try and handle it amongst ourselves, let's run to our politicians for help with a petition. That should work, our politicians are known for solving problems
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Are we expecting too much?
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 26, 2022, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: sasquatch1 on February 26, 2022, 03:17:34 AM
It appears to me that some learned to walk before crawl. Hell they may have even been born talking and running already.
And guys please whatever we do, let's not try and handle it amongst ourselves, let's run to our politicians for help with a petition. That should work, our politicians are known for solving problems
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Are we expecting too much?
If petitioning our politicians to fix these problems is the solution.
Yea maybe so
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Quote from: Dtrkyman on February 24, 2022, 07:28:08 PM
Complains about tipping spots off by tipping spots off even more, but I get your point. I drew an Iowa tag so maybe I should investigate!
Its a good area no doubt, I first hunted it in 2018 after watching their 2017 videos when they were still Spring Thunder. Took about 5 minutes to narrow down the general area they were in. I knew I better get up there quick after seeing a bunch of newbie turkey hunters (with the exception of Aaron) smoke long spurred birds left and right at the end of the season. Yup, they influenced me!
Quote from: Burney Mac on February 24, 2022, 08:51:22 PM
Deerhint1988....I see your angle and I understand you're trying to draw "awareness" to the issue at hand. However, have you ever stopped and thought just for one second the damage that you're solely doing all on your own by constantly bringing up "things" and other various topics, strictly in the name of "awareness"? I mean for the few people that haven't watched the video that frequent this forum. You want to be very clear for them to stop the video, zoom in, take notes, so they can be certain they get that exact location. Because Tommy sitting at home doesn't have sense enough to do that on his own. But just in case he doesn't have sense enough to pause a video. You want to be certain, that if he can read, he still gets the message on this forum of wherever your "awareness" platform takes you. I mean let's start a thread just to "show" how easy it is because a you tube video isn't enough. You decide there needs to be a thread dedicated to it.
Instead of hoping no one catches it, sees it, or recognizes it...you'll just be certain to draw as much attention to it as possible, as if there isn't already enough. You can save me it's a draw state yada yada yada crap. You're constant negative publicity on these forums snd your social media is just as bad and as detrimental and draws just as much attention as a guy posing with a turkey hanging on the national forest sign...which I miss bye the way. Of course, if one was wanting to be discreet and secretive, one could always post pictures of themselves with a face mask on....I really miss those the most. I just wonder why rocks snd glass don't mix so well.
I'm all for open debate and try to see two sides to every issue. But I've still yet to hear a valid reason as to why to continue to name states. A reason other than likes, subscribes, or money. A reason that helps benefit the wild turkey.
Damage i'm doing?
So its acceptable to advertise specific public lands to your 20k-450k subscribers. Its acceptable to exploit/commercialize our public lands for financial gain. But it is not acceptable to bring awareness to these issues? Sometimes you have to make a HARD point by showing examples of what information can easily be gathered.
Many people aren't aware of what is happening. Especially when it comes to the current public land situation in which areas are getting pounded like never before and hunting opportunities are being taken away because of it. I care about the local public land hunter who just lost 2 weeks of his GA hunting season. I care about the Alabama hunters who've gotten the shaft. I care about the south Florida hunters who can't even hunt their local WMAs within a reasonable timeframe anymore because someone wanted to draw all the attention in the world to them. This isn't "about me" as many responses in this thread seem to think it is. It is something much bigger.
The more awareness we can bring to this issue, the better chance we have at getting some of this stopped. I guarantee you that TWRA or GADNR will now think twice about paying "influencers" to come hunt in their state again while they simultaneously take away hunting opportunity. There were A LOT of disgruntled TN and GA residents last summer after they found out about the situation. How did they find out? Folks doing research themselves and spreading awareness.
Quote from: aclawrence on February 25, 2022, 08:05:46 AM
I watched one of Dave's last videos and I'm sure he was hunting one of my local WMA's. He lives close by now and the terrain is identical to wear I hunt. I kept watching for some recognizable landmarks but he never showed any.
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We need more to follow this lead. I understand things slip through sometimes, but at other times they are pretty blatant with what they show.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 10:32:11 AM
I struggle with just letting it go without voicing concerns. Where does it stop?
As do I. We are just supposed to remain silent and accept it because "that's the way things are now!"?
Quote from: the Ward on February 25, 2022, 11:43:36 AM
We should just get rid of all social media, and the internet while we are at. That would fix everything.
It would fix a lot of things!
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 02:11:34 PM
The apathy for the resource and future of turkey hunting within the current turkey hunting culture is astounding. Absolutely amazing!!! It is apathy to suggest everyone should just accept the increased pressures on localized populations and continued loss of hunting opportunities. Think outside the box (critical thinking).... This is NOT a positive for our future. Frankly, it's disappointing.
For the thousandth time, plus a million more, the argument against the information free for all is not about "I", "Me", working harder, walking farther, be creative, find a new honey hole. Not sure how much more clear that can be stated.
I hope we never get invaded by a foreign power.... "Get over it boys, it's a sign of the times. Accept it and move on".
We aren't asking to blow up the internet, just asking that those on YT, FB, Forums, etc. change the content that is shared.
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 03:00:22 PM
How about, if you guys want to be activists, go the source. Take a look around the perimeter of this message board. That's where you start. They and the companies like them have more power to control the fate of the resource than any Youtube video guys. If you want no more YouTube vids tell them and show them that you don't like them supporting........whatever it is you don't like.......You don't like watching people shoot jakes, you dont like people naming states.
All I'm saying boys is if your serious take it to the top. Find out who supports them and let them have it. Let the sponsors know things need to change. The only way to do that is hurt their bottom lines more than if they weren't promoting turkey hunting. Feel like saying good bye to your Mossy Oak Original Bottomlands. Have at it.
Any thing else is...well......just complaining on a message board.
Folks are going to the source. Folks are starting to call out companies. Folks are having conversation with the "content producers". Folks are sending e-mails to their state game and fish agencies. Just because you don't see it on this forum doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Quote from: AndyN on February 25, 2022, 03:17:41 PM
Sometimes it works out in your favor. I was watching a video last spring and instantly recognized the spot as a field I've shot a couple deer off of. The problem was it was a NR hunting in an area closed to NRs. Needless to say they won't be back.
Haha, love it when folks incriminate themselves on social media! Good on you.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
Here's the biggest What If. What if someone provides a solid answer as to why we are wrong? What if someone eloquently explains how promoting specifics has been a positive for localized turkey populations and turkey hunting opportunities? I welcome at least one response with substance.
Been waiting quite a long time for this answer. No one can seem to provide it.
Quote from: Jbird22 on February 25, 2022, 04:10:34 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
The source is the irresponsibility by many on YT, FB, and forums. Joe X is just as guilty on FB pics of WMA signs as the THP is for promoting National Forest land in North XYZ state.
DAMN STRAIGHT!!!
Travelling/public land hunting wouldn't be so popular on YouTube had it not been glamorized on Forums and Social Media beforehand. You can't knock a small hole in a dam and then get upset when it erodes into a much larger hole. That water is lost and will never go back in.
But we can try to slow down the flooding and help mitigate the damage if the other side would cooperate.
No doubt forums and social media opened the pathway for YouTube channels to take off. And I'll take blame for some of it as I used to enjoy sharing my travels. But even a decade ago I had the sense not to reveal as much information as a lot of folks are now. Noone could have predicted the dramatic growth with YouTube and its vastly greater outreach. And Facebook groups, oh man! Definitely never getting the water back in that one....
To counter the suggestion of involving politicians for changes in regulations, do we really want more of that? We don't need more regulations. We don't want a permit of to be required to carry a video camera to video your kids hunting. To video as a hobby. Last year, Missouri implemented a daily fee on state conservation lands for those profiting off of them. Videographers must pay $500 per day, if I'm not mistaken. Ouch!! Is this what we want more of? It's coming.
Of this entire thread the most perfect word posted by someone to sum much of this up.....NAIVE.
Quote from: Burney Mac on February 25, 2022, 04:13:35 PM
I'll bite.
What if these state agencies actually used the funds they've allocated for promoting and exploiting the resource, actually used and directed those funds for research before hand. All we ever hear is they're short on money. That's why the food plots on XYZ WMA is in broom straw and green briars but that NWTF sign looks good though don't it. How do they miraculously find money to pay groups to come film and showcase a certain state yet never have the man power or the money to properly do the job and task in which they are payed to do in the first place. However, in the meantime we're going to throw darts at the board because the simplest and easiest way to quickly mitigate the issue at hand is to control the one variable they can which is man. Never mind the influx and added pressure that was due in some degree and payed for mind you by the very agency or agencies that are telling is they have resources best interest in mind.
We can agree on this.
One argument is "More hunters = more money for the state game and fish agencies". I've even saw "more hunters = more turkey". Well, the first is true. However just because a state has a little more revenue from an increase in turkey license sales (which is literally a drop in the bucket of their overall revenue) doesn't mean the money is going to be spent on turkey, on improving public lands, or even on acquiring more public lands. Who knows where the money may go?
I was happy to see the recent push on social media for Turkey Stamps. And I give props to the content creators (man, i hate that word) who shed light on turkey stamps. That is social media/Turkey YouTube being put to GOOD use. Some states have had turkey stamps for a while (Florida, Wisconsin) and most recently Arkansas. Money generated thru the sale of these stamps IS earmarked for the wild turkey. We do need MORE of this. That would alleviate some heartburn "slightly". There'd be a little more money for turkey, but that still doesn't solve the public land issue.
But once again, good post. My "awareness campaign" that you previously referenced has been successful in showing a lot of people how their state agencies spent money on influencers while simultaneously taking away opportunity.
Quote from: aaron on February 25, 2022, 07:53:23 PM
If these types of things effect your ability to kill a turkey, that's YOUR problem. Improvise, adapt and overcome. I cannot get on board with this poor me attitude. Stay in here whining, I'll be out finding birds
I'm fairly certain most of those advocating have no problem killing turkey. They care more about the public land resource and the path turkey hunting has been headed down.
Quote from: catman529 on February 26, 2022, 12:24:15 AM
This has been a known issue for some time, and I can promise nobody that I personally know in the YouTube world is deliberately trying to give away a spot.
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Seeing as how you are close with THP, is it too much to ask them to be a little more conscious? Because that screenshot I shared is from a very recent video and they certainly hunt the area the screenshot is from. Same for some Minnesota imagery/pins. And pins/imagery from a lake you hunt.
Wow, I'm so glad I'm too old/dumb to understand any of this!
Quote from: aaron on February 26, 2022, 05:35:58 AM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: aaron on February 25, 2022, 07:53:23 PM
If these types of things effect your ability to kill a turkey, that's YOUR problem. Improvise, adapt and overcome. I cannot get on board with this poor me attitude. Stay in here whining, I'll be out finding birds
Care to elaborate on any references made to the lack of finding turkeys, killing turkeys, improvising, adapting, overcoming, walking farther, or working harder? Not a poor me attitude or a "my" problem. Much larger than that.
I feel I said it about as cut and dry as I could. Care to elaborate on the "much bigger problem"? Hunter numbers are drastically down. Everywhere. My state at its peak sold 90,000 Turk we tags a year. We sell 60,000 now. Year In and year out. That's the bigger problem. Getting more people in our sport is the only way to ensure a lasting legacy.
There's data from plenty of states where turkey hunter numbers have been rising steadily since the social media/YouTube era. (Although I know in some cases numbers are still down from peaks a couple decades ago, but less precise data collection makes some of those numbers less reliable than hard permit sales numbers. But that is another discussion).
Application numbers for states with draws are also reaching all time highs in many states. And I'm not saying that is a bad thing by any means! Social media has been great at recruiting more turkey hunters. It's a bad thing when it effects a localized resource due to someone exploiting it.
By the way, what state are you in?
Quote from: Zobo on February 26, 2022, 11:48:21 AM
Wow, I'm so glad I'm too old/dumb to understand any of this!
Definitely not a bad thing. I wish I was ignorant of it at times!
How you been, Nathan. Been a while. Hope you have another good one. Do you know why the Bullnettler died? I enjoyed a few on there, including you, and "poof", it died.
Quote from: silvestris on February 26, 2022, 12:32:14 PM
How you been, Nathan. Been a while. Hope you have another good one. Do you know why the Bullnettler died? I enjoyed a few on there, including you, and "poof", it died.
I bet it's due to people realizing loose lips are sinking the ship. I use to like the forum myself
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I'll Find You And Kill All Your Turkeys
Deerhunt, you have put more people on this spot with this YouTube call-out than THP did with their video!
Quote from: WV Flopper on February 26, 2022, 03:21:40 PM
Deerhunt, you have put more people on this spot with this YouTube call-out than THP did with their video!
I doubt that with the amount of views they get. Thousands and thousands.
I don't, because Deerhunts buddies that set around at work and don't do their job have pinpointed the location and Deerhunt shared for all.
Maybe it would be more productive after this detective work is complete by the detectives to email THP their exact locations of hunts.
In my mind that has a potential for a more productive end than posting up exact locations to try and verify yourself. Maybe other motives, IDK.
Two Wright's made an airplane, but two wrongs have never accomplished anything great.
Quote from: WV Flopper on February 26, 2022, 03:21:40 PM
Deerhunt, you have put more people on this spot with this YouTube call-out than THP did with their video!
They've been talked with and asked to stop doing this. They refuse and don't care.
So, time to blow it up on them. Some lessons need learning the hard way.
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https://www.thehuntingpublic.com/
Send your critic here of the content, it may be more productive than to the general public here.
So, how is this blowing it up on them? I watched the video in question last night Just Because of This POST.
Quote from: WV Flopper on February 26, 2022, 04:04:15 PM
So, how is this blowing it up on them? I watched the video in question last night Just Because of This POST.
They don't care so much about crowding because they travel around and hunt the whole season. Doesn't affect them near as much as the local guy who works for a living and has weekends to hunt.
Maybe if their turfs slowly get more attention they'll care more and understand
Just watch a few videos when they do have people issues, they play it off well but their face says it all.
Ask Catman what happened to an area he started out on that was once awesome and is now like a mardigras parade for Turkey season.
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They don't care about the damage they are doing to public land hunters because more hunters on public land equals more money in their pockets. It's not a hard concept to grasp. It elementary.
Unfortunately the small amount of money they make comes at a great cost to local public land hunters around the country in the form of overcrowding and lost opportunity through regulation. Especially in the south.
Quote from: WV Flopper on February 26, 2022, 04:01:42 PM
https://www.thehuntingpublic.com/
Send your critic here of the content, it may be more productive than to the general public here.
Even with criticism, they scoff it off as a non issue. Just look at a few on this forum. They refuse to recognize the concerns. I heard Dave Owens on a podcast respond to criticism about large increases in pressure for a publicized state, "I don't think XYZ state is complaining with the increase in license sales". Yep, resource be damned. It seems at this point they are unwilling to sacrifice likes and views, which stoke the ego and the wallet. Not even expecting them to go away, just be more responsible. They can show hunts, entertain, educate, and make money without promoting public lands for profit.
But, the point is it's not just the YT channels. It's a turkey hunting cultural issue as a whole. It's FB and forum users that place personal gain over what's most important. Instant gratification and the need for acknowledgment and acceptance. It's as simple as that. Some are naive and some just don't care because it's about "me" or "I".
I would like to say. " When I go turkey hunting it is about ME." Hopefully, everyone understands this statement, hate to have to explain to the masses that I don't hunt for them. I do respect others and will continue to do so unless disrespected.
Is there a problem with this attitude? I work 2500 hours a year, I hunt for 15-25 days in the spring. Is this a problem?
The NWTF has been trying to recruit new hunters since they began. The thought has been more hunters, more money, more voters in a positive manner to sustain and make better for the wild turkey.
These new recruits are adding up men. No, I am not trying to shift the blame. But I do understand turkeys were commercialized years ago, before YouTube. I watched Will Premos when I was a kid, still do. Can't spell his name, but don't care either. All of these new recruits need a place to hunt.
So again, this complaining about one group, in an open to the public forum, means nothing. Except, calling more people to locations these people hunt. Exactly opposite of what your intent should be, you are going in the wrong direction with this content.
Think about whom you have shared this info with. New recruits, who have not been endocterned to ride on if someone beats them to their spot for the day. Who have not been taught about loose lips, Who don't use paper maps and do use modern technology. Who want to go hunting and have youth on their side to do so.
I think your best opportunity is to compel to the content makers directly. Keeping in mind the 1st amendment of the constitution of the United States of America.
Quote from: WV Flopper on February 26, 2022, 05:23:42 PM
I would like to say. " When I go turkey hunting it is about ME." Hopefully, everyone understands this statement, hate to have to explain to the masses that I don't hunt for them. I do respect others and will continue to do so unless disrespected.
Is there a problem with this attitude? I work 2500 hours a year, I hunt for 15-25 days in the spring. Is this a problem?
The NWTF has been trying to recruit new hunters since they began. The thought has been more hunters, more money, more voters in a positive manner to sustain and make better for the wild turkey.
These new recruits are adding up men. No, I am not trying to shift the blame. But I do understand turkeys were commercialized years ago, before YouTube. I watched Will Premos when I was a kid, still do. Can't spell his name, but don't care either. All of these new recruits need a place to hunt.
So again, this complaining about one group, in an open to the public forum, means nothing. Except, calling more people to locations these people hunt. Exactly opposite of what your intent should be, you are going in the wrong direction with this content.
Think about whom you have shared this info with. New recruits, who have not been endocterned to ride on if someone beats them to their spot for the day. Who have not been taught about loose lips, Who don't use paper maps and do use modern technology. Who want to go hunting and have youth on their side to do so.
I think your best opportunity is to compel to the content makers directly. Keeping in mind the 1st amendment of the constitution of the United States of America.
Those like primos had virtually no affect on the public lands!!
People watched and just wished they had those prime places to hunt and went on about business.
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You are 100% wrong. They set and watched and went hunting where they could, PUBLIC LAND.
Do you think at anytime more than a couple new recruits owned enough land to hunt on and not use public? They either hunt public or join a club. I am willing to bet above 75% of new recruits hunt public before they join a club and pay to hunt.
Quote from: WV Flopper on February 26, 2022, 06:06:09 PM
You are 100% wrong. They set and watched and went hunting where they could, PUBLIC LAND.
Do you think at anytime more than a couple new recruits owned enough land to hunt on and not use public? They either hunt public or join a club. I am willing to bet above 75% of new recruits hunt public before they join a club and pay to hunt.
Some, small percentage
Again as I've posted before.
Ask yourself how many volunteers you've ever had to strike out blind and just go try a place
And then ask yourself how many volunteers you've had that want to go after you go become successful somewhere.
Compare
I guarantee you one is a lot more than the other.
In peoples minds it was entrained from (rumor) that public lands sucked.
Well, these videos did the same for the masses as a guy killing a few and THEN his buddies want to go.
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There's a reason local forums get hit with
"I drew a hunt on such and such, never been, anyone have info"
Videos of said places can be THAT INFO.
Bam now they ready to roll, as before when they just applied it was an (ehh maybe we will go try)
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We can argue our opinions till the cows come home .
But the facts are facts .... The cats already out the bag !!
Look up The Black Kettle on YouTube and tell me how far down the list is the State of Oklahoma's promotional video of turkey in the black kettle is.
Now, look how old this video is. You guys are barking up the wrong tree. The states are paying alot of these business people to hunt their ground and promote it. What here do you not understand?
When they stop taking the money there will be a line of others that will. Heck, I will hunt anywhere in the country for room, board and gas. Who wouldn't?
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Quote from: aaron on February 25, 2022, 07:53:23 PM
If these types of things effect your ability to kill a turkey, that's YOUR problem. Improvise, adapt and overcome. I cannot get on board with this poor me attitude. Stay in here whining, I'll be out finding birds
I'm fairly certain most of those advocating have no problem killing turkey. They care more about the public land resource and the path turkey hunting has been headed down.
I haven't personally met DH but I've read enough of his posts elsewhere that this is his top priority....he has no problem getting on birds.
Quote from: WV Flopper on February 26, 2022, 05:23:42 PM
I would like to say. " When I go turkey hunting it is about ME." Hopefully, everyone understands this statement, hate to have to explain to the masses that I don't hunt for them. I do respect others and will continue to do so unless disrespected.
Is there a problem with this attitude? I work 2500 hours a year, I hunt for 15-25 days in the spring. Is this a problem?
The NWTF has been trying to recruit new hunters since they began. The thought has been more hunters, more money, more voters in a positive manner to sustain and make better for the wild turkey.
These new recruits are adding up men. No, I am not trying to shift the blame. But I do understand turkeys were commercialized years ago, before YouTube. I watched Will Premos when I was a kid, still do. Can't spell his name, but don't care either. All of these new recruits need a place to hunt.
So again, this complaining about one group, in an open to the public forum, means nothing. Except, calling more people to locations these people hunt. Exactly opposite of what your intent should be, you are going in the wrong direction with this content.
Think about whom you have shared this info with. New recruits, who have not been endocterned to ride on if someone beats them to their spot for the day. Who have not been taught about loose lips, Who don't use paper maps and do use modern technology. Who want to go hunting and have youth on their side to do so.
I think your best opportunity is to compel to the content makers directly. Keeping in mind the 1st amendment of the constitution of the United States of America.
WV Flopper,
One key phrase in your post caught my attention. You said "one group". Not sure how many times it can be said. The criticism and concern isn't with just the beloved THP or other YT channels. It's the irresponsibility across all platforms of social media.
It's a simple yes or no question....Do you support Joe X in his FB turkey group sharing a picture of himself mean mugging with a dead turkey at a WMA sign with the caption "Gobblers were lit this morning!!", or (insert YouTuber) presenting a video titled "Smashing Gobblers in XYZ State" while openly promoting National Forest land in North XYZ State?
Sir, I am directly talking about the original post, which was directed at one group, THP. And, the irony of this post showing directly more content of location than THP did themselves in their video.
We can and should talk separately about any other groups of people's. As to lump all together is not correct or fair. We are all turkeys hunters or should be, if not, we have no business in this conversation.
As I have stated before, "I have NO problem with a person or group sharing content, naming the state at which it took place."
I do not take part in the book of faces and will not take part in it. Frankly, I don't care. If Social media is the whole of your battle, to put it politely, your going to lose the battle, war and anything else you want to call it. I remind you, the OP put this on Social Media, this is Social Media.
This reminds me of someone being mad at a drug dealer selling drugs to support their habit. Funny thing is, there is nothing illegal here and is what we all have aspired to do, which is making money doing something we love. How ironic!
Don't confuse me, I am not taking up for any of these groups or people putting out content on YouTube. They should not go into spot locations, I agree with that. Furthermore, looking at the names of the New YouTube titles they are already making improvements in this area. Again, keep in mind, some of these guys are being paid to advertise. The local idiots on Face book have no excuse except for stupidity and ignorance.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on February 26, 2022, 11:17:34 AM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
Here's the biggest What If. What if someone provides a solid answer as to why we are wrong? What if someone eloquently explains how promoting specifics has been a positive for localized turkey populations and turkey hunting opportunities? I welcome at least one response with substance.
Been waiting quite a long time for this answer. No one can seem to provide it.
Where you at Paulmyr?? How about catman and Shane?? Crickets...
It's obvious why they don't answer though. They just come back with more senseless drivel.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 26, 2022, 06:50:08 PM
It's a simple yes or no question....Do you support Joe X in his FB turkey group sharing a picture of himself mean mugging with a dead turkey at a WMA sign with the caption "Gobblers were lit this morning!!", or (insert YouTuber) presenting a video titled "Smashing Gobblers in XYZ State" while openly promoting National Forest land in North XYZ State?
Yes, I see no reason not to show what State or National Forest I hunt. The natural resources of a state belong to all the residents. Not just the local people who want to harvest them.
I don't agree with giving up specific "spots". That's stupid. But State and State/National forests? Sure.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on February 26, 2022, 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: Zobo on February 26, 2022, 11:48:21 AM
Wow, I'm so glad I'm too old/dumb to understand any of this!
Definitely not a bad thing. I wish I was ignorant of it at times!
One thing I do know for certain : You don't need any form of recent technology whatsoever to be a successful turkey hunter.
Quote from: Crghss on February 26, 2022, 07:44:45 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 26, 2022, 06:50:08 PM
It's a simple yes or no question....Do you support Joe X in his FB turkey group sharing a picture of himself mean mugging with a dead turkey at a WMA sign with the caption "Gobblers were lit this morning!!", or (insert YouTuber) presenting a video titled "Smashing Gobblers in XYZ State" while openly promoting National Forest land in North XYZ State?
Yes, I see no reason not to show what State or National Forest I hunt. The natural resources of a state belong to all the residents. Not just the local people who want to harvest them.
I don't agree with giving up specific "spots". That's stupid. But State and State/National forests? Sure.
250,000 - 500,000 views promoting the National Forest in specific regions of specific states is not concerning? I disagree with that. I think it's disrespectful and irresponsible.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 26, 2022, 08:44:56 PM
250,000 - 500,000 views promoting the National Forest in specific regions of specific states is not concerning? I disagree with that. I think it's disrespectful and irresponsible.
So where shall we start? Burning all the books that that reference your National Forests? Or requiring people to have the right papers to enter?
Quote from: Zobo on February 26, 2022, 08:11:27 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on February 26, 2022, 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: Zobo on February 26, 2022, 11:48:21 AM
Wow, I'm so glad I'm too old/dumb to understand any of this!
Definitely not a bad thing. I wish I was ignorant of it at times!
One thing I do know for certain : You don't need any form of recent technology whatsoever to be a successful turkey hunter.
You can bet the best turkey hunters in the United States aren't online spilling their guts on locations. That's a small minority of attention seekers with a following of new hunters and people that don't know any better. And they don't have the latest and greatest gear either. Typically a 90's model truck pulled over on the side of a forest road. Ask them what they've heard. Answer will be " ain't heard a thing".
Quote from: Crghss on February 26, 2022, 08:50:23 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 26, 2022, 08:44:56 PM
250,000 - 500,000 views promoting the National Forest in specific regions of specific states is not concerning? I disagree with that. I think it's disrespectful and irresponsible.
So where shall we start? Burning all the books that that reference your National Forests? Or requiring people to have the right papers to enter?
People read them books?
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Quote from: Crghss on February 26, 2022, 08:50:23 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 26, 2022, 08:44:56 PM
250,000 - 500,000 views promoting the National Forest in specific regions of specific states is not concerning? I disagree with that. I think it's disrespectful and irresponsible.
So where shall we start? Burning all the books that that reference your National Forests? Or requiring people to have the right papers to enter?
Simple yes or no. Your response doesn't even address the question. Typical.
Quote from: sasquatch1 on February 26, 2022, 09:01:10 PM
Quote from: Crghss on February 26, 2022, 08:50:23 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 26, 2022, 08:44:56 PM
250,000 - 500,000 views promoting the National Forest in specific regions of specific states is not concerning? I disagree with that. I think it's disrespectful and irresponsible.
So where shall we start? Burning all the books that that reference your National Forests? Or requiring people to have the right papers to enter?
People read them books?
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Point taken
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 26, 2022, 09:01:53 PM
Simple yes or no. Your response doesn't even address the question. Typical.
Already answered. You even Quoted my response.
Quote from: Crghss on February 26, 2022, 07:44:45 PM
Yes, I see no reason not to show what State or National Forest I hunt. The natural resources of a state belong to all the residents. Not just the local people who want to harvest them.
I don't agree with giving up specific "spots". That's stupid. But State and State/National forests? Sure.
Not sure what you don't understand.
To his point I didn't even get a leftover tag in unit 6 last season and I tried like as soon as they went for sale? At bare minimum, I can't see how these guys are helping
Quote from: St. Augustine Strutter on February 26, 2022, 07:34:56 PM
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on February 26, 2022, 11:17:34 AM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 25, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
Here's the biggest What If. What if someone provides a solid answer as to why we are wrong? What if someone eloquently explains how promoting specifics has been a positive for localized turkey populations and turkey hunting opportunities? I welcome at least one response with substance.
Been waiting quite a long time for this answer. No one can seem to provide it.
Where you at Paulmyr?? How about catman and Shane?? Crickets...
It's obvious why they don't answer though. They just come back with more senseless drivel.
Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in!
So what are you actually trying to accomplish here? Open peoples eyes to some version of what has been happening and argued about in every hunting forum for over 20 years? Uh, ok?
Are you looking for my support? Show me where to put my signature because I haven't seen it yet.
You want affirmation because you want the bad guys to stop? Well, I guess your in the right place for that.
Go get em tiger!
Quote from: Crghss on February 26, 2022, 09:05:49 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 26, 2022, 09:01:53 PM
Simple yes or no. Your response doesn't even address the question. Typical.
Already answered. You even Quoted my response.
Quote from: Crghss on February 26, 2022, 07:44:45 PM
Yes, I see no reason not to show what State or National Forest I hunt. The natural resources of a state belong to all the residents. Not just the local people who want to harvest them.
I don't agree with giving up specific "spots". That's stupid. But State and State/National forests? Sure.
Not sure what you don't understand.
I guess I was just confused / amazed at the approval of a video (250,000-500,000 views) highlighting a specific National Forest in a specific Region of a specific State. Is this not specific enough?
Turkey hunters are ahead of the curb with looking down Thier noses at cyber scouters and the like ...turkey hunting is hard work , where failure is the norm if you can't bother to scout on your own you have no business turkey hunting and the quicker you , they , whoever ..exit the "sport" the better for group as a whole ...there is a new wave of anti" social media "hunting taking place ....I've listened to podcasts from some very popular and HUGE following on Instagram and Facebook where guides are complaining about how young guys have taken on a narcissistic attitude where they race to take pictures and post on Instagram and make fake postings to pump up themselves ....there is a backlash coming and it's growing
Growing up , I learned real fast the wages of loose lips ... I remember my father bitterly complaining about how the phone only rings two weeks before season with so called "friends" I remembered all the calls I got for particular areas for duck or turkey ...but I never got that call to let me know there was a extra seat in the boat for lobster season ?
If people want to help others that are too lazy to even scout ..that's up them ..
There has been alot of threads villanizing social media types , there are some real good guys with good well thought out chanel's doing it , and I hear there are some less than thoughtful or well conceptualized making a go at it ..they can its their right to , and there is pretty much nothing we can do about it
I like turkey hunting , cause I actually like turkey hunting , I like turkey hunters that think like me ..that's YOU !
Off soap box
Quote from: Old Gobbler on February 27, 2022, 03:38:22 PM
Turkey hunters are ahead of the curb with looking down Thier noses at cyber scouters and the like ...turkey hunting is hard work , where failure is the norm if you can't bother to scout on your own you have no business turkey hunting and the quicker you , they , whoever ..exit the "sport" the better for group as a whole ...there is a new wave of anti" social media "hunting taking place ....I've listened to podcasts from some very popular and HUGE following on Instagram and Facebook where guides are complaining about how young guys have taken on a narcissistic attitude where they race to take pictures and post on Instagram and make fake postings to pump up themselves ....there is a backlash coming and it's growing
Growing up , I learned real fast the wages of loose lips ... I remember my father bitterly complaining about how the phone only rings two weeks before season with so called "friends" I remembered all the calls I got for particular areas for duck or turkey ...but I never got that call to let me know there was a extra seat in the boat for lobster season ?
If people want to help others that are too lazy to even scout ..that's up them ..
There has been alot of threads villanizing social media types , there are some real good guys with good well thought out chanel's doing it , and I hear there are some less than thoughtful or well conceptualized making a go at it ..they can its their right to , and there is pretty much nothing we can do about it
I like turkey hunting , cause I actually like turkey hunting , I like turkey hunters that think like me ..that's YOU !
Off soap box
I do agree that there is pretty much nothing we can do about it. That's becoming more evident as each year passes. As long as you allow these discussions, I'll continue to voice my opinion, at the very least to maybe provide some thought provoking insight that might make a few realize the dangers that lie ahead with the unfiltered free flow of information.
This is not change needed or wanted with politicians, regulations, or the big money companies. As I've said, it's a cultural issue. The societal desires of today to be accepted and applauded publicly on a public platform has completely infiltrated the turkey hunting community. That's ok on an individual basis if that's what he or she chooses is most important, but there are often consequences beyond. In this case that's many localized turkey populations and a loss of hunting opportunities. Unwilling to sacrifice for the greater good is simply selfish.
I believe there are a lot more that think like some of us do, but dare not speak up for fear of being labeled selfish, elitist, or many other number of names. They will comment on hunting boots or flashlights. Which ever side one is on, these debates can be healthy and generate perspectives not thought of. Unfortunately, what I've seen is very little substance to support the reasoning for much of this content that is shared when considering what we all should be most concerned with....populations and the continued future of turkey hunting.
Just take a quick glance at the comment sections of these YouTube videos. Folks are tripping all over themselves to invite these "stars" to come hunt XYZ WMA accompanied by "Heard 10 there this morning". Or naming names of the WMA or area these guys are hunting..... as said it's the need for acceptance and applause. I do blame these YT guys for a lot of damage done. Not only have they burnt many places, they also have fed the monster and cultivated much of the turkey hunting culture we see today. Just quick reads reveal the infatuation and how star struck so many are. Both sides are feeding off each other.
What do I expect? Honestly, not much to change at this point. I would hope those with platforms and in positions now of being idolized, including organizations such as the NWTF and Turkeys For Tomorrow, to at least share the message of the negatives that accompany sharing specific information. I won't hold my breath, except maybe hold out hope for Turkeys For Tomorrow.
It is a long shot at this point to expect much more. It will take open discussions and the influence of everyone you know to slow it down, not heads in the sand. We won't have turkey hunting boots to talk about one day. I do know hunter recruitment will suffer as hunting opportunities become more limited. Not sure how that can be argued against.
I am still very open to a change in mindset if someone is willing to answer the question that has been posed many times, yet still unanswered.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 27, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
I am still very open to a change in mindset if someone is willing to answer the question that has been posed many times, yet still unanswered.
OK, I'll bite, what question?
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 27, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: Old Gobbler on February 27, 2022, 03:38:22 PM
Turkey hunters are ahead of the curb with looking down Thier noses at cyber scouters and the like ...turkey hunting is hard work , where failure is the norm if you can't bother to scout on your own you have no business turkey hunting and the quicker you , they , whoever ..exit the "sport" the better for group as a whole ...there is a new wave of anti" social media "hunting taking place ....I've listened to podcasts from some very popular and HUGE following on Instagram and Facebook where guides are complaining about how young guys have taken on a narcissistic attitude where they race to take pictures and post on Instagram and make fake postings to pump up themselves ....there is a backlash coming and it's growing
Growing up , I learned real fast the wages of loose lips ... I remember my father bitterly complaining about how the phone only rings two weeks before season with so called "friends" I remembered all the calls I got for particular areas for duck or turkey ...but I never got that call to let me know there was a extra seat in the boat for lobster season ?
If people want to help others that are too lazy to even scout ..that's up them ..
There has been alot of threads villanizing social media types , there are some real good guys with good well thought out chanel's doing it , and I hear there are some less than thoughtful or well conceptualized making a go at it ..they can its their right to , and there is pretty much nothing we can do about it
I like turkey hunting , cause I actually like turkey hunting , I like turkey hunters that think like me ..that's YOU !
Off soap box
I do agree that there is pretty much nothing we can do about it. That's becoming more evident as each year passes. As long as you allow these discussions, I'll continue to voice my opinion, at the very least to maybe provide some thought provoking insight that might make a few realize the dangers that lie ahead with the unfiltered free flow of information.
This is not change needed or wanted with politicians, regulations, or the big money companies. As I've said, it's a cultural issue. The societal desires of today to be accepted and applauded publicly on a public platform has completely infiltrated the turkey hunting community. That's ok on an individual basis if that's what he or she chooses is most important, but there are often consequences beyond. In this case that's many localized turkey populations and a loss of hunting opportunities. Unwilling to sacrifice for the greater good is simply selfish.
I believe there are a lot more that think like some of us do, but dare not speak up for fear of being labeled selfish, elitist, or many other number of names. They will comment on hunting boots or flashlights. Which ever side one is on, these debates can be healthy and generate perspectives not thought of. Unfortunately, what I've seen is very little substance to support the reasoning for much of this content that is shared when considering what we all should be most concerned with....populations and the continued future of turkey hunting.
Just take a quick glance at the comment sections of these YouTube videos. Folks are tripping all over themselves to invite these "stars" to come hunt XYZ WMA accompanied by "Heard 10 there this morning". Or naming names of the WMA or area these guys are hunting..... as said it's the need for acceptance and applause. I do blame these YT guys for a lot of damage done. Not only have they burnt many places, they also have fed the monster and cultivated much of the turkey hunting culture we see today. Just quick reads reveal the infatuation and how star struck so many are. Both sides are feeding off each other.
What do I expect? Honestly, not much to change at this point. I would hope those with platforms and in positions now of being idolized, including organizations such as the NWTF and Turkeys For Tomorrow, to at least share the message of the negatives that accompany sharing specific information. I won't hold my breath, except maybe hold out hope for Turkeys For Tomorrow.
It is a long shot at this point to expect much more. It will take open discussions and the influence of everyone you know to slow it down, not heads in the sand. We won't have turkey hunting boots to talk about one day. I do know hunter recruitment will suffer as hunting opportunities become more limited. Not sure how that can be argued against.
I am still very open to a change in mindset if someone is willing to answer the question that has been posed many times, yet still unanswered.
Good lord, this crap still going? What even is the question anymore? No, naming a state doesn't hurt a dang thing. Yes, putting exact GPS coordinates does hurt. Yes, social media has created an influx, but there is no stopping that train and 0 regulation that would correct it. No, I am not a 'fan boy', but I enjoy watching most of the bigger names because they are TURKEY HUNTING.
Them panties in a wad because y'all don't like the responses is comical. Sound like a bunch of pronoun junkies who love to hear themselves talk.
Now, I'll sit back and wait for y'all's heads to explode again. :popcorn:
Quote from: Crghss on February 27, 2022, 08:41:39 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 27, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
I am still very open to a change in mindset if someone is willing to answer the question that has been posed many times, yet still unanswered.
OK, I'll bite, what question?
You can look it up.
Quote from: Spurs on February 27, 2022, 08:46:12 PM
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on February 27, 2022, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: Old Gobbler on February 27, 2022, 03:38:22 PM
Turkey hunters are ahead of the curb with looking down Thier noses at cyber scouters and the like ...turkey hunting is hard work , where failure is the norm if you can't bother to scout on your own you have no business turkey hunting and the quicker you , they , whoever ..exit the "sport" the better for group as a whole ...there is a new wave of anti" social media "hunting taking place ....I've listened to podcasts from some very popular and HUGE following on Instagram and Facebook where guides are complaining about how young guys have taken on a narcissistic attitude where they race to take pictures and post on Instagram and make fake postings to pump up themselves ....there is a backlash coming and it's growing
Growing up , I learned real fast the wages of loose lips ... I remember my father bitterly complaining about how the phone only rings two weeks before season with so called "friends" I remembered all the calls I got for particular areas for duck or turkey ...but I never got that call to let me know there was a extra seat in the boat for lobster season ?
If people want to help others that are too lazy to even scout ..that's up them ..
There has been alot of threads villanizing social media types , there are some real good guys with good well thought out chanel's doing it , and I hear there are some less than thoughtful or well conceptualized making a go at it ..they can its their right to , and there is pretty much nothing we can do about it
I like turkey hunting , cause I actually like turkey hunting , I like turkey hunters that think like me ..that's YOU !
Off soap box
I do agree that there is pretty much nothing we can do about it. That's becoming more evident as each year passes. As long as you allow these discussions, I'll continue to voice my opinion, at the very least to maybe provide some thought provoking insight that might make a few realize the dangers that lie ahead with the unfiltered free flow of information.
This is not change needed or wanted with politicians, regulations, or the big money companies. As I've said, it's a cultural issue. The societal desires of today to be accepted and applauded publicly on a public platform has completely infiltrated the turkey hunting community. That's ok on an individual basis if that's what he or she chooses is most important, but there are often consequences beyond. In this case that's many localized turkey populations and a loss of hunting opportunities. Unwilling to sacrifice for the greater good is simply selfish.
I believe there are a lot more that think like some of us do, but dare not speak up for fear of being labeled selfish, elitist, or many other number of names. They will comment on hunting boots or flashlights. Which ever side one is on, these debates can be healthy and generate perspectives not thought of. Unfortunately, what I've seen is very little substance to support the reasoning for much of this content that is shared when considering what we all should be most concerned with....populations and the continued future of turkey hunting.
Just take a quick glance at the comment sections of these YouTube videos. Folks are tripping all over themselves to invite these "stars" to come hunt XYZ WMA accompanied by "Heard 10 there this morning". Or naming names of the WMA or area these guys are hunting..... as said it's the need for acceptance and applause. I do blame these YT guys for a lot of damage done. Not only have they burnt many places, they also have fed the monster and cultivated much of the turkey hunting culture we see today. Just quick reads reveal the infatuation and how star struck so many are. Both sides are feeding off each other.
What do I expect? Honestly, not much to change at this point. I would hope those with platforms and in positions now of being idolized, including organizations such as the NWTF and Turkeys For Tomorrow, to at least share the message of the negatives that accompany sharing specific information. I won't hold my breath, except maybe hold out hope for Turkeys For Tomorrow.
It is a long shot at this point to expect much more. It will take open discussions and the influence of everyone you know to slow it down, not heads in the sand. We won't have turkey hunting boots to talk about one day. I do know hunter recruitment will suffer as hunting opportunities become more limited. Not sure how that can be argued against.
I am still very open to a change in mindset if someone is willing to answer the question that has been posed many times, yet still unanswered.
Good lord, this crap still going? What even is the question anymore? No, naming a state doesn't hurt a dang thing. Yes, putting exact GPS coordinates does hurt. Yes, social media has created an influx, but there is no stopping that train and 0 regulation that would correct it. No, I am not a 'fan boy', but I enjoy watching most of the bigger names because they are TURKEY HUNTING.
Them panties in a wad because y'all don't like the responses is comical. Sound like a bunch of pronoun junkies who love to hear themselves talk.
Now, I'll sit back and wait for y'all's heads to explode again. :popcorn:
Awesome....more zero substance to add. Sounds like you have several T-Shirts and Hats with that attitude. If it bothers you scroll on and play a word game.
Quote from: Spurs on February 27, 2022, 08:46:12 PM
Good lord, this crap still going? What even is the question anymore? No, naming a state doesn't hurt a dang thing. Yes, putting exact GPS coordinates does hurt. Yes, social media has created an influx, but there is no stopping that train and 0 regulation that would correct it. No, I am not a 'fan boy', but I enjoy watching most of the bigger names because they are TURKEY HUNTING.
I 100% agree, people seem to be in a perpetual fight with a straw man.
You guys should google EXIF data. Then heads will really explode.
I'm out, no point to this anymore.
Quote from: Crghss on February 27, 2022, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Spurs on February 27, 2022, 08:46:12 PM
Good lord, this crap still going? What even is the question anymore? No, naming a state doesn't hurt a dang thing. Yes, putting exact GPS coordinates does hurt. Yes, social media has created an influx, but there is no stopping that train and 0 regulation that would correct it. No, I am not a 'fan boy', but I enjoy watching most of the bigger names because they are TURKEY HUNTING.
I 100% agree, people seem to be in a perpetual fight with a straw man.
You guys should google EXIF data. Then heads will really explode.
I'm out, no point to this anymore.
Adios. By the way, it's a discussion, not a fight. So much fabricated drama as these days.
Thank you Ted, Keith and the rest of THP crew for continuously pimping out OnX and carelessly letting clues slip into videos. Killed my Iowa gobbler Monday morning on north side of Rathbun Lake, he was roosted about 140 yards from the pin in video.
Quote from: silvestris on February 26, 2022, 12:32:14 PM
How you been, Nathan. Been a while. Hope you have another good one. Do you know why the Bullnettler died? I enjoyed a few on there, including you, and "poof", it died.
It's still alive, just on life support. Facebook groups have dwindled the numbers of forum participants.
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There are a bunch of turkeys right here {38° 53' 51.587" N 77° 2' 11.666" W}, is this what you mean about sharing too much?
Haven't read the entire thread, and won't, but a lot of the concerns raised parallel what I have said for years about telemarketing and scammers. If NO ONE listened it would all go away in 30 days.
Don't like what YouTubers are doing? Quit watching and encourage others to do the same.
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1st the complaining and whining creates more people going to these PUBLIC LANDS, and the problem just multiplies. How do they find these places, they go online and research. Do the same as them. Research your state and find new places to hunt. If you don't other people will and will find new places to hunt. And you will be left with the scraps. Fight fire with fire and research your state. There are probably more area to hunt with more gobblers. The you tubers do it. Do it their way. It's a free country. Public land has been a public tradition forever. That what has made us different from Europe. Stop trying to deny public tradition and freedom.
:TrainWreck1:
Yet here we all are..the problem is in your hand..good luck..times will get harder
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on February 24, 2022, 04:53:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/R7p8gzl.jpg)
It can, and will, be found. This is just one of MANY examples of spots found after being shown in videos. This particular example was sent to me by a friend who enjoys finding these spots during his downtime at work.
During the start of the "YouTube era", I recognized imagery from a prominent YouTuber and notified him. He recognized his mistake and acknowledged it in the very next video. I assume he hasn't shown much, if any, real imagery or "pins" since. However, that can't be said for all.
So what is the incentive, you may ask? Why would they continue to show real imagery/topo and compromise their spots? It is rather simple. $$. They want their viewers using onX to try and find spots. They want as many people using their "onX code" as possible. Because kickbacks. They basically get commission when you use their onX code for the discount.
In this particular case, the state is Iowa. So an influx of non-residents to these spots isn't much of concern due to the regulated non-resident hunting. And they can get plenty of resident tags to continue filming each spring. But the same can't be said for other states where real spots are shown.
If you want to show your spot to the world, please at least take the courtesy not to name the state? Or vice versa.
Did you consider they are intentionally doing it?To get cyber scouters to click on the link?Doesn't matter if you love em or hate em..you click on that video and you're paying them..They do not care about the resource..only the fame,money,and attention.And there are thousands of guys willing to do all the leg work and hold their hands-walk them right to the best spots in each given state-begging them to come ruin their public land as well..it's a cycle we must go thru so people can become educated to the damage they are doing.Help people on a one on one basis.Keep your public hunting areas private..if you care for them..best of luck
I bought a gps from a guy on a nother forum for bird hunting, an older garmin astro. Anyway, he left all his data points and covey locations. I felt dirty and deleted them out of principle, it was from the midwest and I am on the east, but still felt wrong.
Also. Make sure you turn your geocaching off on your phone, you dont know where your photos will end up. Some clown could export the exif data and find your spot where that big longbeard came from.
Remove landmarks from photos and scrub the background if necessary. Be careful who you take and where you take them.
Public land is all the rage nowadays. I get it, we dont want to lose it as some has been lost. At the same time in this digital age, lets get back to making personal relationships and knock on a few doors. The domino effect kicks in and you almost always end up getting neighboring farms by name dropping that you have permission next door.
I don't get the public land craze. I do hunt some public but when I go out of state I prefer to hunt private. I don't want to drive half way across the country to be bouncing off other hunters or worrying about somebody messing me up. I prefer to pay trespass fees and hunt private.
I did shoot a bird on public this spring and last in Nebraska and had quality hunts. I just prefer private. My .02.
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If these types of things effect your ability to kill a turkey, that's YOUR problem. Improvise, adapt and overcome. I cannot get on board with this poor me attitude. Stay in here whining, I'll be out finding birds
Care to elaborate on any references made to the lack of finding turkeys, killing turkeys, improvising, adapting, overcoming, walking farther, or working harder? Not a poor me attitude or a "my" problem. Much larger than that.
I feel I said it about as cut and dry as I could. Care to elaborate on the "much bigger problem"? Hunter numbers are drastically down. Everywhere. My state at its peak sold 90,000 Turk we tags a year. We sell 60,000 now. Year In and year out. That's the bigger problem. Getting more people in our sport is the only way to ensure a lasting legacy.
Turkey hunter numbers are WAY up in most places, over the last 30 years... We don't need more deer or turkey hunters. That's a myth pushed by people who make money from having more hunters in the woods, at least for deer, turkey and waterfowl.
If the goal is just to get more people involved in hunting in general, how about THP and some of these other big ones do it with coyote/predator hunting and trapping? Make a sincere push to get more people in to that because those species are trending up while turkey are trending down...Since their motives are "we just want to get people involved for the good of all hunters..." Ok. Well, then it shouldn't matter what type of hunting it is... might as well be hunting something that isn't on a national decline AND something that could actually help put more turkey in the woods.
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Here's the biggest What If. What if someone provides a solid answer as to why we are wrong? What if someone eloquently explains how promoting specifics has been a positive for localized turkey populations and turkey hunting opportunities? I welcome at least one response with substance.
Been waiting quite a long time for this answer. No one can seem to provide it.
Where you at Paulmyr?? How about catman and Shane?? Crickets...
It's obvious why they don't answer though. They just come back with more senseless drivel.
My personal favorite is the videos where they pull up to spots that are crowded, complain about it being crowded or some guy coming in on them, etc. and then go ahead and post the video anyway...which will help make it more crowded going forward. It's like come on man...you don't like crowded spots? Well, no ...we don't either...But you're ok doing things that make more spots crowded for everyone else anyway???
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Quote from: Paulmyr on February 25, 2022, 03:00:22 PM
How about, if you guys want to be activists, go the source. Take a look around the perimeter of this message board. That's where you start. They and the companies like them have more power to control the fate of the resource than any Youtube video guys. If you want no more YouTube vids tell them and show them that you don't like them supporting........whatever it is you don't like.......You don't like watching people shoot jakes, you dont like people naming states.
All I'm saying boys is if your serious take it to the top. Find out who supports them and let them have it. Let the sponsors know things need to change. The only way to do that is hurt their bottom lines more than if they weren't promoting turkey hunting. Feel like saying good bye to your Mossy Oak Original Bottomlands. Have at it.
Any thing else is...well......just complaining on a message board.
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It matters a great deal.... As southern hunters have seen the largest pressure increase and are dealing with loss of season/limits/draw etc. Frankly we go north for easy gobblers and less pressure.
You say that like I don't hunt the south? Like I don't have places there that I have worked hard to find keep secret. Spots that I can return too after not having been in 20 yrs and bring home gobblers. You say that like I haven't spent over 30 days in Ga in one trip learning to hunt tough pressured "southern gobblers". Like I haven't spent week long trips to Arkansas only to come home with bad poison oak. Like I haven't seen the hay days of Missouri........ You say that like I don't know what I'm talking about. Stereotype much?
I got some news for you. Turkey's are turkeys no mater where you hunt them. They can be just as tough up here in Mn and just as easy down there in the south. And pressure is everywhere on public land.
All this past tense talk. When last have you been? 20 years ago?
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Last year. Do you want know how many brought home too? Maybe the color of the under of the underwear I was wearing when I shot them?
The source is the irresponsibility by many on YT, FB, and forums. Joe X is just as guilty on FB pics of WMA signs as the THP is for promoting National Forest land in North XYZ state.
What if enough hunters are educated to the negative impacts? Maybe Joe X has never been educated of the negative impacts. What if as a whole the masses don't just shrug their shoulders and say "oh, well. It's entertaining, you should just work harder and get over it"? Change the culture from the bottom up. Pull the rug out from under the nonsense and demand some change. Speak out against it and quit punching the "Like" button. Do you honestly think Mossy Oak is going to quit promoting Dave Owens or OnX is going to quit utilizing THP without a mass reduction in sales?? Negatory. They are going to keep counting that money. Some of these YT guys (not all) are flipping you the finger while filing another order on the fan club hat, decal, and shirt. This has to be change from the foundation and what is to be accepted by the turkey hunting community.
Here's the biggest What If. What if someone provides a solid answer as to why we are wrong? What if someone eloquently explains how promoting specifics has been a positive for localized turkey populations and turkey hunting opportunities? I welcome at least one response with substance.
It's like half the cultural nonsense in this country..... where does it start? In the home.
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I just wish people would stop posting oversize photos.
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I just wish people would stop posting oversize photos.
x2 and I wish I didn't have to scroll sideways to read an entire line of text.
They left their GPS coordinates in the video once when the camera was focused on one of their phones. Didn't take me long to find what they call "the buck nest" in Iowa.
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Turkey hunting is not a high tech endeavor, it's decidedly and purposeful low tech. That's why we rub pieces of wood and slate together and use wooden horns and tubes to mimic and trick turkeys. That's how most of us like it and that's why laws and rules were created to keep it that way. It's a traditional and antiquated pursuit.
A lot of people have a problem with anything that requires a battery being carried in the turkey woods. I like having a camera so I'm not that ridged, but I understand their concerns, and I see the problems that have arisen from all this "progress."
Sadly it can be just as cutt throat on shared private/club land here in the south. I told my 16y/o son before the season even started here that he can no longer post any pics of our kills on social media until after the season and even then I have to see the pics beforehand to make sure nobody can make out where the pic was taken. If he or I are asked during the season by anyone other than someone in our small circle If we've had any luck we simply say "I'll tell you when it's all over", Lol. We sign in & out by zones in our club, and when we are finished I will either totally scribble out my zone with marker or tear the page out if I'm the only one hunting. I've been called an @$$??????e more than once for doing it but I could care less. I don't put in the miles of boot work and countless evenings of pre- season scouting glassing fields to just give away what I know to lazy hunters.