This is why you don't show pins/imagery in videos

[deerhunt1988]

I struggle with just letting it go without voicing concerns. Where does it stop? 

As do I. We are just supposed to remain silent and accept it because "that's the way things are now!"?

[deerhunt1988]

We should just get rid of all social media, and the internet while we are at. That would fix everything.

It would fix a lot of things!

[deerhunt1988]

The apathy for the resource and future of turkey hunting within the current turkey hunting culture is astounding.  Absolutely amazing!!!  It is apathy to suggest everyone should just accept the increased pressures on localized populations and continued loss of hunting opportunities.  Think outside the box (critical thinking).... This is NOT a positive for our future.  Frankly, it's disappointing.   

For the thousandth time, plus a million more, the argument against the information free for all is not about "I", "Me", working harder, walking farther, be creative, find a new honey hole.  Not sure how much more clear that can be stated. 

I hope we never get invaded by a foreign power.... "Get over it boys, it's a sign of the times.  Accept it and move on". 

We aren't asking to blow up the internet, just asking that those on YT, FB, Forums, etc. change the content that is shared.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

[deerhunt1988]

How about, if you guys want to be activists, go the source. Take a look around the perimeter of this message board. That's where you start. They and the companies like them have more power to control the fate of the resource than any Youtube video guys. If you want no more YouTube vids tell them and show them that you don't like them supporting........whatever it is you don't like.......You don't like watching people shoot jakes, you dont like people naming states.

All I'm saying boys is if your serious take it to the top. Find out who supports them and let them have it. Let the sponsors know things need to change. The only way to do that is hurt their bottom lines more than if they weren't promoting turkey hunting. Feel like saying good bye to your Mossy Oak Original Bottomlands. Have at it.

Any thing else is...well......just complaining on a message board.

Folks are going to the source. Folks are starting to call out companies. Folks are having conversation with the "content producers". Folks are sending e-mails to their state game and fish agencies. Just because you don't see it on this forum doesn't mean it isn't happening.

[deerhunt1988]

Sometimes it works out in your favor. I was watching a video last spring and instantly recognized the spot as a field I've shot a couple deer off of. The problem was it was a NR hunting in an area closed to NRs. Needless to say they won't be back.

Haha, love it when folks incriminate themselves on social media! Good on you.

[deerhunt1988]

Here's the biggest What If.  What if someone provides a solid answer as to why we are wrong?  What if someone eloquently explains how promoting specifics has been a positive for localized turkey populations and turkey hunting opportunities?  I welcome at least one response with substance.

Been waiting quite a long time for this answer. No one can seem to provide it.

[deerhunt1988]

The source is the irresponsibility by many on YT, FB, and forums.  Joe X is just as guilty on FB pics of WMA signs as the THP is for promoting National Forest land in North XYZ state.

DAMN STRAIGHT!!!

Travelling/public land hunting wouldn't be so popular on YouTube had it not been glamorized on Forums and Social Media beforehand. You can't knock a small hole in a dam and then get upset when it erodes into a much larger hole. That water is lost and will never go back in.

But we can try to slow down the flooding and help mitigate the damage if the other side would cooperate.

No doubt forums and social media opened the pathway for YouTube channels to take off. And I'll take blame for some of it as I used to enjoy sharing my travels. But even a decade ago I had the sense not to reveal as much information as a lot of folks are now. Noone could have predicted the dramatic growth with YouTube and its vastly greater outreach. And Facebook groups, oh man! Definitely never getting the water back in that one....

[El Pavo Grande]

To counter the suggestion of involving politicians for changes in regulations, do we really want more of that?  We don't need more regulations.  We don't want a permit of to be required to carry a video camera to video your kids hunting.  To video as a hobby.  Last year, Missouri implemented a daily fee on state conservation lands for those profiting off of them.  Videographers must pay $500 per day, if I'm not mistaken.  Ouch!!  Is this what we want more of?  It's coming. 

Of this entire thread the most perfect word posted by someone to sum much of this up.....NAIVE. 

[deerhunt1988]

I'll bite.

What if these state agencies actually used the funds they've allocated for promoting and exploiting the resource, actually used and directed those funds for research before hand. All we ever hear is they're short on money. That's why the food plots on XYZ WMA is in broom straw and green briars but that NWTF sign looks good though don't it. How do they miraculously find money to pay groups to come film and showcase a certain state yet never have the man power or the money to properly do the job and task in which they are payed to do in the first place. However, in the meantime we're going to throw darts at the board because the simplest and easiest way to quickly mitigate the issue at hand is to control the one variable they can which is man. Never mind the influx and added pressure that was due in some degree and payed for mind you by the very agency or agencies that are telling is they have resources best interest in mind.

We can agree on this.

One argument is "More hunters = more money for the state game and fish agencies". I've even saw "more hunters = more turkey". Well, the first is true. However just because a state has a little more revenue from an increase in turkey license sales (which is literally a drop in the bucket of their overall revenue) doesn't mean the money is going to be spent on turkey, on improving public lands, or even on acquiring more public lands. Who knows where the money may go?

I was happy to see the recent push on social media for Turkey Stamps. And I give props to the content creators (man, i hate that word) who shed light on turkey stamps. That is social media/Turkey YouTube being put to GOOD use. Some states have had turkey stamps for a while (Florida, Wisconsin) and most recently Arkansas. Money generated thru the sale of these stamps IS earmarked for the wild turkey. We do need MORE of this. That would alleviate some heartburn "slightly". There'd be a little more money for turkey, but that still doesn't solve the public land issue.

But once again, good post. My "awareness campaign" that you previously referenced has been successful in showing a lot of people how their state agencies spent money on influencers while simultaneously taking away opportunity.

[deerhunt1988]

If these types of things effect your ability to kill a turkey, that's YOUR problem.  Improvise, adapt and overcome.   I cannot get on board with this poor me attitude.  Stay in here whining, I'll be out finding birds

I'm fairly certain most of those advocating have no problem killing turkey. They care more about the public land resource and the path turkey hunting has been headed down.

[deerhunt1988]

This has been a known issue for some time, and I can promise nobody that I personally know in the YouTube world is deliberately trying to give away a spot.


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Seeing as how you are close with THP, is it too much to ask them to be a little more conscious? Because that screenshot I shared is from a very recent video and they certainly hunt the area the screenshot is from. Same for some Minnesota imagery/pins. And pins/imagery from a lake you hunt.

[Zobo]

Wow, I'm so glad I'm too old/dumb to understand any of this!

[deerhunt1988]

If these types of things effect your ability to kill a turkey, that's YOUR problem.  Improvise, adapt and overcome.   I cannot get on board with this poor me attitude.  Stay in here whining, I'll be out finding birds

Care to elaborate on any references made to the lack of finding turkeys, killing turkeys, improvising, adapting, overcoming, walking farther, or working harder?  Not a poor me attitude or a "my" problem.  Much larger than that.

I feel I said it about as cut and dry as I could.  Care to elaborate on the "much bigger problem"?    Hunter numbers are drastically down.   Everywhere.   My state at its peak sold 90,000 Turk  we tags a year.   We sell 60,000 now.  Year In and year out.  That's the bigger problem.  Getting more people in our sport is the only way to ensure a lasting legacy.

There's data from plenty of states where turkey hunter numbers have been rising steadily since the social media/YouTube era. (Although I know in some cases numbers are still down from peaks a couple decades ago, but less precise data collection makes some of those numbers less reliable than hard permit sales numbers. But that is another discussion).

Application numbers for states with draws are also reaching all time highs in many states. And I'm not saying that is a bad thing by any means! Social media has been great at recruiting more turkey hunters. It's a bad thing when it effects a localized resource due to someone exploiting it.

By the way, what state are you in?

[deerhunt1988]

Wow, I'm so glad I'm too old/dumb to understand any of this!

Definitely not a bad thing. I wish I was ignorant of it at times!

[silvestris]

How you been, Nathan.  Been a while.  Hope you have another good one.  Do you know why the  Bullnettler died?  I enjoyed a few on there, including you, and "poof", it died.