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Title: Can I ask help please?
Post by: Bowguy on February 16, 2022, 11:55:33 AM
Please consider signing and sharing. They are attempting to take a large area in NJ/Pa and make it a National park that will limit or exclude hunting.

https://www.change.org/p/national-park-service-stop-the-delaware-water-gap-from-becoming-a-national-park
Title: Re: Can I ask help please?
Post by: Ol timer on February 16, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
Signed it we need to stop the Sierr@  club from another land grab and taking away our hunting rights in New Jersey
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Post by: tjh24 on February 16, 2022, 12:37:54 PM
Signed... seems to be land grabs trying to happen everywhere right now!
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Post by: randy6471 on February 16, 2022, 04:47:02 PM
Signed. Hope it helps.


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Post by: Chordeiles on February 16, 2022, 04:53:55 PM
Signed.
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Post by: catman529 on February 16, 2022, 05:48:16 PM
Signed it. This is the 3rd state I've heard of having this problem in just the past week. The bill in Tennessee was just withdrawn, but the threat is still there.

This may become an ongoing problem in the future across the country with a growing population, urban development and non-hunter numbers increasing faster than hunters. This is  another reason why it's important to recruit new hunters and keep the tradition going. Our voice is in numbers.




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Post by: OJR on February 16, 2022, 05:53:58 PM
Signed
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Post by: strut on February 16, 2022, 06:13:03 PM
Signed
Best of luck. Always seems like they're going to do whatever they choose. Regardless of public opinion.
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Post by: CntrlPAlongbeard on February 16, 2022, 07:19:55 PM
Signed
This is crap
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Post by: g8rvet on February 16, 2022, 07:40:37 PM
Signed
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Post by: sswv on February 16, 2022, 07:47:04 PM
done
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Post by: Tom007 on February 16, 2022, 08:02:45 PM
Signed and shared
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Post by: Yoder409 on February 16, 2022, 08:09:00 PM
Signed.

Hunters do more for wild areas than the Sierr@  Club or any park service ever has or ever will.
Title: Re: Can I ask help please?
Post by: jmart241 on February 16, 2022, 08:17:37 PM
Signed
Title: Re: Can I ask help please?
Post by: Bowguy on February 16, 2022, 08:42:01 PM
Quote from: catman529 on February 16, 2022, 05:48:16 PM
Signed it. This is the 3rd state I've heard of having this problem in just the past week. The bill in Tennessee was just withdrawn, but the threat is still there.

This may become an ongoing problem in the future across the country with a growing population, urban development and non-hunter numbers increasing faster than hunters. This is  another reason why it's important to recruit new hunters and keep the tradition going. Our voice is in numbers.


Well let us know if we can help



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Title: Re: Can I ask help please?
Post by: Bowguy on February 16, 2022, 08:45:42 PM
Thank you guys. This is perhaps worse. They wanna take 70,000 acres and make a 240,000 acre national park. From what I was told by insiders they want to take some of the state forest or wmas in area or something to include it. This area isn't sprawling. We can't lose this
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Post by: Happy on February 16, 2022, 09:02:14 PM
Signed, i hope it stays accessible for many years for you guys
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Post by: TonyTurk on February 16, 2022, 09:08:41 PM
Signed
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Post by: Kygobblergetter on February 16, 2022, 09:16:58 PM
Signed


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Post by: dah on February 16, 2022, 09:55:11 PM
 signed
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Post by: Cowboy on February 17, 2022, 04:41:07 AM
Signed and forwarded to 2 others

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Title: Re: Can I ask help please?
Post by: Ol timer on February 17, 2022, 07:30:40 AM
Quote from: Bowguy on February 16, 2022, 08:45:42 PM
Thank you guys. This is perhaps worse. They wanna take 70,000 acres and make a 240,000 acre national park. From what I was told by insiders they want to take some of the state forest or wmas in area or something to include it. This area isn't sprawling. We can't lose this
Bowguy is right about the land grab of other surrounding forest and wma what he left out is this also includes land in Pennsylvania also. The government and Sierr@  club are keeping a tight lid on there real plans until they possibly acquire the lands and then set up the restrictions.
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Post by: Tsgman on February 17, 2022, 07:34:04 AM
Signed

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Post by: quavers59 on February 17, 2022, 09:28:41 AM
Signed on your Thread on the NJ Hunting Site. Hope you get thousands of signatures!
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Post by: GobbleNut on February 17, 2022, 10:52:57 AM
It is good that hunters/sportsmen are making their feelings known on this issue.  We should all support efforts to keep public lands from being closed to hunting in these situations.  Thanks for bringing this to our attention, bowguy.

I would also advise the sportsmen in that area who are the most impacted by this decision to be careful about how they approach pursuing their positions on this.  I have stated this fact "ad nauseum" on this forum:  Hunters are an extremely small minority of the general populace.  Because of that, these kinds of issues have to be pursued with a great deal of diplomacy.  The interactions you and your leadership have with the public on whether hunting will be allowed, or not, if this park is established is going to be critical to your success or failure. 

My advise:  Make sure those involved take a cooperative approach to a resolution that hopefully will suit the "reasonable majority".  At the other extreme, taking an antagonistic approach will almost assuredly result in a negative outcome.  We are David taking on Goliath in these sorts of endeavors.  Regardless of the fable, it is best to understand that throwing rocks probably isn't going to help...   :icon_thumright:

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Post by: Beards and Hooks on February 17, 2022, 05:09:14 PM
Signed
Title: Re: Can I ask help please?
Post by: Bowguy on February 17, 2022, 06:18:31 PM
Quote from: GobbleNut on February 17, 2022, 10:52:57 AM
It is good that hunters/sportsmen are making their feelings known on this issue.  We should all support efforts to keep public lands from being closed to hunting in these situations.  Thanks for bringing this to our attention, bowguy.

I would also advise the sportsmen in that area who are the most impacted by this decision to be careful about how they approach pursuing their positions on this.  I have stated this fact "ad nauseum" on this forum:  Hunters are an extremely small minority of the general populace.  Because of that, these kinds of issues have to be pursued with a great deal of diplomacy.  The interactions you and your leadership have with the public on whether hunting will be allowed, or not, if this park is established is going to be critical to your success or failure. 

My advise:  Make sure those involved take a cooperative approach to a resolution that hopefully will suit the "reasonable majority".  At the other extreme, taking an antagonistic approach will almost assuredly result in a negative outcome.  We are David taking on Goliath in these sorts of endeavors.  Regardless of the fable, it is best to understand that throwing rocks probably isn't going to help...   :icon_thumright:

Thank you for the advise. I see it so far going like you say. I hope it continues like that
Title: Re: Can I ask help please?
Post by: Bowguy on February 17, 2022, 06:21:54 PM
Thank you fellas I really appreciate it. Ok timer was correct, I didn't include the part about Pa. I sorta assumed guys understood it's the border between the states but that was silly on my part. How could anyone not local know that. I wasn't trying to leave Pa out. My apologies
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Post by: JeffC on February 19, 2022, 07:02:44 AM
Signed
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Post by: Bowguy on April 14, 2022, 08:36:54 PM
Fellas check this out! Warren co was a big supporter

State biologist just sent me this.




Last night the Warren Co Board of Commissioners, voted to withdraw support for turning the Water Gap into a National Park.  This was in direct relation to the one commissioner coming out to the Warren Co federation meeting where he got pretty beat up.  Complete resolution was drawn up in less than a week and voted unanimously last night.  He gives credit to the Warren Co Sportsmen for voicing their opinions.  Incredible that an elected official changed his opinion on an issue based on the voice of constituents.  Even more incredible when much of the topic is on hunting.
Title: Re: Can I ask help please?
Post by: JeffC on April 14, 2022, 08:41:17 PM
Congrats, glad I could help, thanks to you for bring it up. I grew up in South Jersey and still head back over there to hunt.
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Post by: Bowguy on April 14, 2022, 08:49:55 PM
Thank you again, It's not over but turning right direction. Mayor of Hardwick another supporter withdrew support
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Post by: Stickbow98 on April 15, 2022, 01:10:01 AM
Signed and donated. Best of luck.