I agree. Those apex tss loads are stone cold killers. The federals throw a very nice, even pattern but it is more spread out and wider overall. If I only hunted in the woods that's actually the load I would hunt. But I also hunt several large fields where the tighter pattern is a big help. I'd like to pattern the new hevi 18 as well. But 10-12 bucks a shell puts a bit of a damper on the pattern testing
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