Apex .410 9’s check your wads!

[Gobblerslobber]

Got the sumtoy mount for my 301T last week and went out Saturday to zero my venom. Backed up to 40 and noticed a slight drop in pellet count from what I was getting last season. Picked up a wad and was surprised to find 20-30 TSS wedged in the bottom. Factory choke and squeaky clean bore. Anyone else experienced this? 

[dustyroads]

The federal TSS shells do this in my gun. Never had the issue with apex though. Are these the new for 2020 apex loads?

[Gobblerslobber]

Yep, new 2020 loads. Any of you handloaders having this happen? Seems like a cork or felt spacer in the bottom of the wad would help.

[CoachK]

Interesting. This past weekend I shot some Federal and Apex from last year. I had this issue with the Federal's but NOT the Apex's

[Gobblerslobber]

I spoke with them on the phone today, they are aware of this and this was their response.  " Yes sir. We looked into putting something inside the wad and since Tungsten is so dense and hard it did that to everything we tried which is another reason we stepped up to the 7/8 load in the Ninja 410 to put extra pellets (about 14) to help combat that."

[Greg Massey]

Very interesting ... thanks for sharing ...

[bowhunter2k9]

Got the sumtoy mount for my 301T last week and went out Saturday to zero my venom. Backed up to 40 and noticed a slight drop in pellet count from what I was getting last season. Picked up a wad and was surprised to find 20-30 TSS wedged in the bottom. Factory choke and squeaky clean bore. Anyone else experienced this?

I've seen this in my hand loads a few times. Cork or felt would help but depending on the load may not be a good option

[Buckrub]

 WOW, maybe that's why my patterns weren't so good. I might have to ride back down to the range and see if any of the wads are still there !!!!

Went to the range this morning and found 5 of my wads with no trace of any pellets !!!

[ShootingABN!]

I had 12/15 TSS in the wad of the new TSS in .410.

Really not happy with the pattern either. It's my 8 year old Son's gun. WE have to get a better pattern. I expected more out of TSS Apex and Federal, with a custom choke. Maybe I shouldn't have had it threaded.

[joey46]

I shot a bird last Thursday with the 301/Jebs choke/Apex Ninja 9 1/2 combo.  Seemed fine.  Before I left the property I took a target out of my truck and duplicated the shot to show any skeptical hunting buddies that 410s work.  It was a well in range 25 yard shot but I think the pattern is more than satisfactory.  Didn't look for the wad but I will next visit.  Now I'm curious since I patterned Federal 9s also and they were ok just not quite as good as the Ninjas.

[bigdan29299]

Had a similar experience today with feberal 9's.  I checked the 3 wads I could find all had about 12 pellets in them yet.

Here's the kicker though, at 20 yards we only had 244 pellets in a 33x40 piece of cardboard.  So if federals are about 295 pellets and I had about 256 total with pellets left in wads.    Where did the other 39-40 pellets go?

[rt2bowhunter]

I have shot 5 Apex shells, Found all the wads zero pellets found. I'm shooting a Encore 45 410 pistol with a 15" barrel stock. At 20 yds i had 25 in the head and neck and 153 on a sheet of printer paper. At 30 yds i had 10in the head and neck and 63 on the printer paper.

[SumToy]

I found this a few years ago with the Federal shells.    Now I have not shot any thing this year from any company so cant say.   I been saying this is why some guns get good numbers some dont.   I have one wad that has 24 shot stuck in it.   

[joey46]

Went back to the area I patterned and looked around. Found one wad. It did have one pellet buried in the wad.  One I won't worry about. Weird. Is this just a .410 thing?

[SumToy]

In our test that is the only one.   I have found over the past few years the 410 is a very finky little gun.