well i appreciate the big help. always fun to try something new out but like i posted in the other post def not out to get secret spots or secrets on anything but just getting a general idea. thanks a lot. i was up in LbL this past weekend and man the tornado damage has lots of roads closed and the lake flooding has got many roads closed and both lakes are up extremely high. i could not believe what we was seeing while up there. heck just when we thought we was in a good spot, because we came up on where tornado had came through knocking trees over the road and no one else parked there, and i knew there was a creek you had to cross about a mile down the road that is a run off from barkley would be flooded, but we walked prolly 1/2 miles down the gravel road because we heard a gobbler sounding off at everything, and sure enough he was roosted way back in the woods above several feet of water. turkeys are loving the security of it