I truly believe EM made the bigest mistake it could have ever made when they quit letting Jay develop there loads, I went and shot one of my old whites out of my super X3 the other day and just sit down tonight to count the 10". Shooting my X3 and a .665 IC I put 200 in the 10 at a measured 40 yards, I know there are better patterns than this shot every day on OG but this was with a 1 3/4 once load!!! I was told that I needed to choke it on down to really see the potential but I'm not going to shoot anymore of them, I've got 33 shells left and their for Turkeys. Just imagine what jay could have done with the #7. EM learn from your mistakes. My digital camera is dead and I'm fixing to go to bed but I'll post a picture of the pattern tommarow.