I'm planning on shooting straight 8's in a 3" 2oz load. I'll give all the aforementioned a try. .696 trap special, Carlson .680, and I'll even seen what happens out the PG. Not particularly looking for a numbers game. If I can get 250+ in a 10" nice and even with the 8's that should do more then enough to save my rear on yardage misjudgement.