anywhere from 160-180 with mt SBE2 and Indian Creek .665, And 180-200 with my 870 SM, and jelly head 660 or Indian creek 665. These were all 3.5" 2oz #6. These were the most consistent patterning shell I have ever shot, didn't have to worry about lot #'s or year to year changes. they kick like a $2 mule and hit like freight train.