I looked everywhere I could think of locally. I have not even seen a single box of 20 ga. Longbeards anywhere. I decided to stick with Federal "Turkey Thugs" #5's of which I have quite a stockpile. I also recently tried the Hevi-Shot "Triple Beard" 5,6,7 . That load is fast for a 20 and the patterns are really good, even better than the "Thugs". I have decided to forget the Longbeards. I no longer have ANY interest in them since trying the Triple Beards. They are right NASTY in my gun.