Lead vs htl

[Greg Massey]

The difference between flop and no flop.


Gman

The "flop" is a nerve thing. You can shoot deer in the head and watch them flop all over the place and that's shutting the CNS down right now. You can shoot them with lead or HTL and still get the same reaction. All of the birds I've killed with a shotgun (save but one that I just recalled while typing this) have flopped with the exception of one. Again, I've not shot many with a shotgun but the ones I have have all done the dead turkey flop except one.

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[hookedspur]

Ya Cant Stop the Flop !!!

[Marc]

As stated earlier...  Lead does the job, but the HTL shot gives you some margin for error...  It certainly will kill birds more consistently a bit further, and turns an "iffy" 40 yard shot with lead into a consistent killer with HTL...

The only disadvantage I see with the denser shot is less margin for error at closer ranges, cause it does hold a tighter pattern.

As much as I spend in gas per trip, and all the other things that go along with hunting, that little bit extra per shell seems worth it to me...  I shoot 3 shells on a good year, so a box of ten will last me at least 3 years...  Cost me about $35 in gas each trip to go hunting, so spending an extra $3 for that one shot is not very much in the scheme of things (and that is only if I get a shot).

And, in a couple years, it will be illegal for me to shoot lead at turkeys anyways, so switching over is a no-brainer for me.

[wvmntnhick]

As stated earlier...  Lead does the job, but the HTL shot gives you some margin for error...  It certainly will kill birds more consistently a bit further, and turns an "iffy" 40 yard shot with lead into a consistent killer with HTL...

The only disadvantage I see with the denser shot is less margin for error at closer ranges, cause it does hold a tighter pattern.

As much as I spend in gas per trip, and all the other things that go along with hunting, that little bit extra per shell seems worth it to me...  I shoot 3 shells on a good year, so a box of ten will last me at least 3 years...  Cost me about $35 in gas each trip to go hunting, so spending an extra $3 for that one shot is not very much in the scheme of things (and that is only if I get a shot).

And, in a couple years, it will be illegal for me to shoot lead at turkeys anyways, so switching over is a no-brainer for me.

Where do you hunt that they're making lead illegal for turkey hunting? just curious.

[Marc]

Where do you hunt that they're making lead illegal for turkey hunting? just curious.

California...

By 2019, it will be illegal to shoot any lead projectiles at any type of game (bullets, shotguns, pellets, etc.)

It is widely thought that many other states will soon follow.

[owlhoot]

Where do you hunt that they're making lead illegal for turkey hunting? just curious.

California...

By 2019, it will be illegal to shoot any lead projectiles at any type of game (bullets, shotguns, pellets, etc.)

It is widely thought that many other states will soon follow.

well at least you have good loads from hevi ,heavyweight or loading tss and the copper bullets for larger game. Does stink you have to spend the extra bucks to hunt if you chose not to though.

[Marc]

well at least you have good loads from hevi ,heavyweight or loading tss and the copper bullets for larger game. Does stink you have to spend the extra bucks to hunt if you chose not to though.

Laws just passed this year that make it illegal to purchase or carry on you more than 50 rounds of ammunition, and mail-ordering ammunition will also be illegal (as of January 1st of next year).

Oddly, outside of LA and Frisco, California is largely agricultural, with a majority of people being conservative...  Those two big towns control the politics of California, and more and more of the people actually paying taxes (rather than living off the taxes of others) are leaving...

If these laws (which have passed) actually go through, it could be real bad news for other parts of the country as well.

[BowBendr]

I've kept very detailed records of every hunt, both deer and turkey, since 1985. I know of 2 specific hunts that HW 7's in my 20 ga. helped tremendously in taking 2 nice toms. The other truck load of birds killed since then could have been killed with dove loads to be perfectly honest about it.

[M Sharpe]

well at least you have good loads from hevi ,heavyweight or loading tss and the copper bullets for larger game. Does stink you have to spend the extra bucks to hunt if you chose not to though.

Laws just passed this year that make it illegal to purchase or carry on you more than 50 rounds of ammunition, and mail-ordering ammunition will also be illegal (as of January 1st of next year).

Oddly, outside of LA and Frisco, California is largely agricultural, with a majority of people being conservative...  Those two big towns control the politics of California, and more and more of the people actually paying taxes (rather than living off the taxes of others) are leaving...

If these laws (which have passed) actually go through, it could be real bad news for other parts of the country as well.

Not too many states seem to follow the way-out-side the box California...

[TauntoHawk]

To me its not about the 99% that would have still been stone dead with a cheaper lead shell, it's that 1% when you're glad its the first shell coming out of the gun every time. These improved loads have allowed me to use a 20ga as effectively as a 12

I could probably kill lots of birds by just carrying a single call to the woods but im not gonna start doing that either lol.


Its not that much money honestly, gas costs me more in turkey season. 

[Marc]

well at least you have good loads from hevi ,heavyweight or loading tss and the copper bullets for larger game. Does stink you have to spend the extra bucks to hunt if you chose not to though.

Laws just passed this year that make it illegal to purchase or carry on you more than 50 rounds of ammunition, and mail-ordering ammunition will also be illegal (as of January 1st of next year).

Oddly, outside of LA and Frisco, California is largely agricultural, with a majority of people being conservative...  Those two big towns control the politics of California, and more and more of the people actually paying taxes (rather than living off the taxes of others) are leaving...

If these laws (which have passed) actually go through, it could be real bad news for other parts of the country as well.

Not too many states seem to follow the way-out-side the box California...

I don't know about all that...  Looks like this country is getting ready to elect Hilary Clinton...  Who adamantly supports more gun regulation (including the elimination of all hand-guns)...  Her anti-gun stance is one of her top political agenda's on her platform, and I would guess she will gain enough support to beat out Trump for the presidency....

If Trump somehow does miraculously get elected, I would guess we have a good chance of getting some of the new California gun reform laws reversed...  If Clinton gets elected, I would guess we will be stuck with them, and and least some other states will follow suit.

Sorry for the O.T, but it is worth some consideration...