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Quote from: Greg Massey on April 06, 2016, 09:41:10 AMPeople i have already had a rude run in with VatuRKstOmPer .. myself , it's either his way or the highway..If he doesn't like the way people hunt he should stay off the forum. He is rude all the time to people.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on April 06, 2016, 09:31:42 AMQuote from: wvmntnhick on April 06, 2016, 08:45:45 AMSimply pointing out that others are chastised for hunting in different fashions. I've caught all kinds of flack for not using a shotgun as some see it as unsporting. Different strokes I suppose. Kinda like everyone jumping on guys that "reap" turkeys. Am I against it? Nope. Would I do it? Nope. Would I call someone out on it? Again, nope. Was he serious? Depends on how someone wants to interpret it. New members may have thin skin and when one hasn't been around others on the site for any period of time, it may send the wrong message. Just saying. Carry on.You and I are clearly very different. To me, right is right and wrong is wrong. The whole "if it's legal, it's ok" argument is an ethical cop out as far as I'm concerned. The whole problem with turkey hunting these days is the new hunters you actually mention and organizations such as the NWTF promoting tactics like this that increase success, which promote recruitment, while betraying the grand bird they initially set out to protect all in exchange for the mighty dollar. Let me illustrate my point:In the state of Florida, the use of bait such as corn and other seeds is LEGAL. Hunters are just required to stay outside of 100 yards from those bait sites. Any turkey hunter worth his salt knows that bait will concentrate turkeys. It will also increase their pattern ability. All of these factors work against the bird's chance of survival and increase a hunters ability to kill them. Sure, the use of bait is legal in Florida but the larger question is why should bait be legal in Florida? Why do many Florida hunters believe bait is an integral aspect of success when it comes to turkey hunting?This extrapolation doesn't require a PhD in Mathematics. It doesn't require a JD from Harvard. It's wrong and fundamentally violates the principal of fair chase yet it's legal and many people drink the Koolaide because theyre OK with it being easier.ROOST SHOOTING is legal in many states (VA included). I dare anyone to explain to this forum when and why roost shooting is an acceptable tactic for the harvest of wild turkeys. Now, let's get back to remote MoJo gobblers and fanning. There are very few gobbler with the exception of satellite toms who have become submissive that will not attack a fan decoy. For anyone who has seen it done or tried it, it's almost a sure thing if you don't miss the bird with a dime-sized pattern at 3 yards. It is a lethal tactic that facilitates a level of success one could only achieve through a tactic such as...... Baiting. Not only is it a lethal tactic but it's also dangerous. The use of increasingly more lifelike strutters images and decoys only increases the propensity for hunter induced shooting accidents. Anyone willing to put a mature gobblers face and profile mere inches from their own is self-nominating themselves for the Darwin Awards, imho. People in the Darwin Awards are commonly referred to as morons..... Just saying.To conclude, turkey numbers are down to 6 million from 7 million in 5 years. Many areas in the country have populations that are down 30-50%. As hunters who have seen the sport rise in popularity, we have a responsibility to police ourselves and acknowledge when enough is enough.So there we have it boys, fanning aligns itself with some of the most despicable "Legal" practices in our sport and while some of you tea-toters will take the platform of inclusion and tolerance, I refuse.
Quote from: wvmntnhick on April 06, 2016, 08:45:45 AMSimply pointing out that others are chastised for hunting in different fashions. I've caught all kinds of flack for not using a shotgun as some see it as unsporting. Different strokes I suppose. Kinda like everyone jumping on guys that "reap" turkeys. Am I against it? Nope. Would I do it? Nope. Would I call someone out on it? Again, nope. Was he serious? Depends on how someone wants to interpret it. New members may have thin skin and when one hasn't been around others on the site for any period of time, it may send the wrong message. Just saying. Carry on.
Quote from: GobbleNut on April 06, 2016, 10:04:50 AMOkay,...we all need to take a deep breath and settle down.Although I totally agree that there are some boundaries that we should all agree on in terms of how we conduct ourselves as hunters, there are also a number of things that are not so black and white. The things that are in the "gray area" vary a bit for each of us. All of us have our own conditions and circumstances under which we must hunt. From my travels turkey hunting, I know for a fact there are folks in other parts of the country that hunt in ways that I personally prefer not to,...and they feel completely comfortable and justified in doing so. They hunt that way because, over time, they have come to the conclusion that using whatever tactics they do are needed to consistently, or even occasionally, be successful under the conditions in which they hunt.Again, as long as those tactics are legal and can be applied safely where you hunt, hunt the way you want. If I don't hunt where you do and under the conditions that you face there, it is hard for me to justify taking a position against your hunting methods, regardless of if they conform to my own "standards" or not.
Quote from: Bill Cooksey on April 06, 2016, 11:16:21 AM Gobbler decoys are a part of that. Simply a new development that kills a lot of turkeys that wouldn't otherwise be killed. Brings into question if harvest is compensatory or additive. Not an argument; just food for thought.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on April 06, 2016, 11:37:22 AMYou're such a politician, man. I, like you, have traveled, guided and shot turkeys in more states than I have toes and fingers. I acknowledge that different places present unique sets of challenges that vary from habitat to terrain to bird density to season dates and stages of the breeding cycle when you get there. Anyone who travels to chase them is aware of those things.Now please explain the following to me:When is roost shooting ok, gobblenut? How is hunting over bait (like they do in Texas) or being allowed to hunt 100 yards away from it in Florida ethical? How is crawling towards a gobbler with a fan in front of you, knowing full well that most gobblers will see that as a confrontational act and charge the decoy ethical?These are three tactics that virtually ensure success. I could careless about someone's sensitivity or offense to my perspective because I think it's a disgrace these practices are even considered acceptable amongst our ranks. We owe it to the birds to say enough is enough and it seems the very organization and people entrusted as stewards of the resource how lost sight of that in favor or inclusion and $$$$. The wild turkey was a hell of a lot better off before all of this nonsense and turkey hunters then were more captivated with the art of killing turkeys than the bloodlust for filling tags.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on April 06, 2016, 11:37:22 AMQuote from: GobbleNut on April 06, 2016, 10:04:50 AMOkay,...we all need to take a deep breath and settle down.Although I totally agree that there are some boundaries that we should all agree on in terms of how we conduct ourselves as hunters, there are also a number of things that are not so black and white. The things that are in the "gray area" vary a bit for each of us. All of us have our own conditions and circumstances under which we must hunt. From my travels turkey hunting, I know for a fact there are folks in other parts of the country that hunt in ways that I personally prefer not to,...and they feel completely comfortable and justified in doing so. They hunt that way because, over time, they have come to the conclusion that using whatever tactics they do are needed to consistently, or even occasionally, be successful under the conditions in which they hunt.Again, as long as those tactics are legal and can be applied safely where you hunt, hunt the way you want. If I don't hunt where you do and under the conditions that you face there, it is hard for me to justify taking a position against your hunting methods, regardless of if they conform to my own "standards" or not.You're such a politician, man. I, like you, have traveled, guided and shot turkeys in more states than I have toes and fingers. I acknowledge that different places present unique sets of challenges that vary from habitat to terrain to bird density to season dates and stages of the breeding cycle when you get there. Anyone who travels to chase them is aware of those things.Now please explain the following to me:When is roost shooting ok, gobblenut? How is hunting over bait (like they do in Texas) or being allowed to hunt 100 yards away from it in Florida ethical? How is crawling towards a gobbler with a fan in front of you, knowing full well that most gobblers will see that as a confrontational act and charge the decoy ethical?These are three tactics that virtually ensure success. I could careless about someone's sensitivity or offense to my perspective because I think it's a disgrace these practices are even considered acceptable amongst our ranks. We owe it to the birds to say enough is enough and it seems the very organization and people entrusted as stewards of the resource how lost sight of that in favor or inclusion and $$$$. The wild turkey was a hell of a lot better off before all of this nonsense and turkey hunters then were more captivated with the art of killing turkeys than the bloodlust for filling tags.
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 06, 2016, 12:11:32 PMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on April 06, 2016, 11:37:22 AMQuote from: GobbleNut on April 06, 2016, 10:04:50 AMOkay,...we all need to take a deep breath and settle down.Gotta be rough living in a world of gray when you see only black and white - I'd guess your blood pressure is through the roof.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on April 06, 2016, 11:37:22 AMQuote from: GobbleNut on April 06, 2016, 10:04:50 AMOkay,...we all need to take a deep breath and settle down.
Quote from: GobbleNut on April 06, 2016, 10:04:50 AMOkay,...we all need to take a deep breath and settle down.