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Started by HogBiologist, March 29, 2015, 12:11:47 AM
Quote from: Prohunter3509 on March 30, 2015, 11:39:30 AMAnd a number of them now travel out of state Hunt just about all season in ether states killing whateverAnd for turkey hunters keeping silent you cant catch them all. when you go in large groups like some do, a warden just cant catch them.They keep coolers in ground while 1 of the party brings bird back to camp ,ethics is what a good hunter needsAnd that few I am referring to hurts everyone.they try and killeverthing that walks,and that hurts the out of state hunter who wants to do right. I have talked to wardens about this problem , need to make theFine heavy enough to help discourage the problem and hire more wardensTurkey hunting is a passion for me, I hunt a lot,When I harvest my limit, I put my gun upmy honest opinion
Quote from: arkrem870 on March 30, 2015, 08:36:13 PMThe arkansas game and fish has biologists that make suggestions to the "commissioners". The commissioners are millionaire donor / political folks that are appointed by the governor. The "commissioners" make the calls at the end of the day yet none of the commissioners are biologists.....
Quote from: GobbleNut on March 30, 2015, 12:36:28 PMThere are some fundamental principles of biology involved in hunting gobblers in the spring. Turkeys are polygamous,...a few gobblers can do all of the breeding necessary for all hens to be bred. Since an equal number of hens and gobblers are going to be hatched, that means that there are many "surplus gobblers" around that can be harvested. Hence, a properly-timed spring gobbler season,...one that starts after the onset of breeding and allows most or all of the hens in a population to be bred before the shooting starts,...will have no impact on the population, regardless of how many gobblers are killed. The only time gobbler harvest can become an issue is if there is no successful reproduction/recruitment into the population for several years in a row, and the number of gobblers declines so much that there is a lack of successful breeding. However, the chances of that occurring in any turkey population as a result of sport hunting is minimal. Thus, the real culprit in decreased populations is almost never associated with sport hunting for gobblers in the spring. Excessive poaching certainly could be a problem, as others have already pointed out, but based on biology alone, managers should never have to focus their attention on reducing harvest of gobblers in the spring season. They should instead be diligently trying to determine what are the real limiting factors which are causing the lack of reproductive success. Focusing on reducing spring gobbler harvest will almost never help. Weather can obviously be a factor, but several years in a row of adverse weather conditions that affect reproductive success would be unlikely. An abundance of nest-raiding predators certainly can play a role. Managers should be looking at trends in those predator numbers, for sure. Another thing to consider is the commercial poultry industry and its introduction of disease into wild turkey populations. Is it a coincidence that there seems to be a lot of domestic poultry industry in that region? And what is the relationship in that to the wild turkey decline? And what about increasing feral hog populations? If wildlife managers are not diligently looking into each of these possibilities, rather than focusing on sport hunting for gobblers,....well, in my opinion, they are not doing their jobs intelligently. Decreasing sport hunting for gobblers,...which has absolutely nothing to do with wild turkey population declines,... is nothing more than a Band-Aid fix and a waste of time.
Quote from: J. Adams on March 31, 2015, 02:27:44 PMQuote from: GobbleNut on March 30, 2015, 12:36:28 PMThere are some fundamental principles of biology involved in hunting gobblers in the spring. Turkeys are polygamous,...a few gobblers can do all of the breeding necessary for all hens to be bred. Since an equal number of hens and gobblers are going to be hatched, that means that there are many "surplus gobblers" around that can be harvested. Hence, a properly-timed spring gobbler season,...one that starts after the onset of breeding and allows most or all of the hens in a population to be bred before the shooting starts,...will have no impact on the population, regardless of how many gobblers are killed. The only time gobbler harvest can become an issue is if there is no successful reproduction/recruitment into the population for several years in a row, and the number of gobblers declines so much that there is a lack of successful breeding. However, the chances of that occurring in any turkey population as a result of sport hunting is minimal. Thus, the real culprit in decreased populations is almost never associated with sport hunting for gobblers in the spring. Excessive poaching certainly could be a problem, as others have already pointed out, but based on biology alone, managers should never have to focus their attention on reducing harvest of gobblers in the spring season. They should instead be diligently trying to determine what are the real limiting factors which are causing the lack of reproductive success. Focusing on reducing spring gobbler harvest will almost never help. Weather can obviously be a factor, but several years in a row of adverse weather conditions that affect reproductive success would be unlikely. An abundance of nest-raiding predators certainly can play a role. Managers should be looking at trends in those predator numbers, for sure. Another thing to consider is the commercial poultry industry and its introduction of disease into wild turkey populations. Is it a coincidence that there seems to be a lot of domestic poultry industry in that region? And what is the relationship in that to the wild turkey decline? And what about increasing feral hog populations? If wildlife managers are not diligently looking into each of these possibilities, rather than focusing on sport hunting for gobblers,....well, in my opinion, they are not doing their jobs intelligently. Decreasing sport hunting for gobblers,...which has absolutely nothing to do with wild turkey population declines,... is nothing more than a Band-Aid fix and a waste of time. We have a winner, what's worse is they think "they" are the reason for it getting better. So what you're telling me is Arkansas is in the only state in the country doing it correctly? What in the world wide of sports..."gobbler to hen ratio" is the latest terms they have came up with.It has been proven time and time again via gobbler banding and now radio/gps that hunter's are not the problem, we aren't killing enough of them to matter, hunt the sombs when they are gobbling, it doesn't matter.it's all about the hatch.....and who controls the hatch? Us??? Them? Mother ByGod Nature....more habitat, more turkeys, kill some predators, other than that they just over complicate it and in true democrat fashion spend tons of money and man hours trying to figure it out, there's nothing to figure out....Regulations and late short seasons don't create turkeys.