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Started by Cutt, May 09, 2014, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: JBIRD22 on May 09, 2014, 08:57:14 PMI think they can discern too much calling being uncommon from what they're used to but that statement seems to be a bit of a stretch.
Quote from: Terry on May 09, 2014, 08:52:19 PMI don't buy it either. They aren't that smart.
Quote from: drenalinld on May 09, 2014, 10:45:13 PMIt is simple really. Some birds really like to gobble, some not as much. On pressured land those that really like to gobble get killed. Less gobbling comes from less birds less competition and mouthy strains being killed out.
Quote from: paboxcall on May 09, 2014, 11:01:36 PMQuote from: drenalinld on May 09, 2014, 10:45:13 PMIt is simple really. Some birds really like to gobble, some not as much. On pressured land those that really like to gobble get killed. Less gobbling comes from less birds less competition and mouthy strains being killed out.This, plus add in the time of the breeding cycle - early, middle, end - and that will influence the gobbler's inclination to gobble. Even a bird you patterned, and know to be mouthy, will probably keep quiet when he wakes up with a half dozen hens or so around him in the roost tree. After the hens go to nest, then he will likely get mouthy again.Turkeys hear other turkeys 365 days a year cluck and purr softly, and cutt and cackle wildly. To essentially suggest a turkey would hear a string of yelps and think to himself "oh no, sounds like a predator that learned to mimic our vocalizations, I'm going the other way" is absurd.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on May 09, 2014, 11:08:49 PMQuote from: paboxcall on May 09, 2014, 11:01:36 PMQuote from: drenalinld on May 09, 2014, 10:45:13 PMIt is simple really. Some birds really like to gobble, some not as much. On pressured land those that really like to gobble get killed. Less gobbling comes from less birds less competition and mouthy strains being killed out.This, plus add in the time of the breeding cycle - early, middle, end - and that will influence the gobbler's inclination to gobble. Even a bird you patterned, and know to be mouthy, will probably keep quiet when he wakes up with a half dozen hens or so around him in the roost tree. After the hens go to nest, then he will likely get mouthy again.Turkeys hear other turkeys 365 days a year cluck and purr softly, and cutt and cackle wildly. To essentially suggest a turkey would hear a string of yelps and think to himself "oh no, sounds like a predator that learned to mimic our vocalizations, I'm going the other way" is absurd.I hunted a bird this morning that has been called in 4x and shot at once last Saturday. I only used a wing to simulate 2 flydowns while I was 75 yards from him and then scratched in the leaves. He lost his mind to all of that but still knew to fly the other way and carry on his business by himself.I yelped at him once he flew down 150 yards away from me. He gobbled 2x on the ground and that was it.They wise up once the pressure gets on them and I think some are conditioned to disassociate themselves with calling.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on May 09, 2014, 10:31:59 PMAny wild animal has an environmental baseline where they are conditioned to learn what a normal level of intrusion/disturbance is.Whether it's a mature buck or a gobbler, the more intrusion and unnatural interaction with danger an animal encounters, the more it will adjust its behavior in response.The best hunters know their quarry are sensitive to intrusion, disrupt their quarry the least and subsequently have the best hunting based on normal behavior patterns.Too bad the majority of hunters never figure that out. That's why public land is such a sh$t show.