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Started by Bigeclipse, May 05, 2014, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: WildSpur on May 06, 2014, 12:38:51 AM870 supermag with the shurshot stock. The stock will help with recoil and you will hold rock steady. It's meant to kill turkeys. Just be careful with 40+ yard talk on here.Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
Quote from: WildSpur on May 06, 2014, 08:43:41 AMMissing the point. ..talk over 40 yards here can get you on admins radar. Just trying to help you from getting your thread locked.Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
Quote from: RAJ on May 06, 2014, 10:33:20 AMI am "hung up" as to why these birds always start circling at 40-50 yards unless they are seeing movement , shiny objects, such as scope glare, poor concealment, etc.Remember that pellet counts at certain distances do not equate to penetration or energy at a given distance and that pellets do not all arrive at the same instant, so that pattern boards can be somewhat deceiving .Once you get a few under your belt I hope that the experience enjoyed afield while turkey hunting will amount to more than filling a tag. Wait until you have a hammering gobbler under ten steps for an hour or so while trying to hold a gun up with mosquitoes piercing your ears and nose and you still never get the shot. The best movies in the world do not have the suspense and drama that is sometimes built into a turkey hunt.
Quote from: the Ward on May 06, 2014, 11:59:19 AMSometimes the animals win. As it should be. I started turkey hunting in the late 80s(?) when our county had its first ever turkey season. Had no clue as to what I was doing, except for reading up on it in magazine articles.Made every mistake there was to make, plus some .But I kept at it, learning all the way till I finally got a nice tom in '97. Almost 10 years of fruitless seasons went into that first gobbler, and you know I wouldn't trade those years for nothing. I leaned a lot about turkeys and turkey hunting and now I think i have become pretty fair at it, although I am far from an expert. Technology will only get you so far, nothing wrong with having or working to have an awesome shooting gun, but if you don't combine it with knowledge and woodsmanship you are not going to be very successful. You came to the right place, there are a lot of very good and very experienced turkey hunters here that will help you if you are willing to listen and learn. I've had to pass up shots on gobblers that were out of range, and end up with unused tags at the end of many a season. And you know what? My wife didn't divorce me, my dog didn't bite me and my kid wasn't picked on at school, and when I opened my fridge lo and behold there was food in it so I wasn't going to starve. Don't fall into the" just got to have something dead in the bed of my truck" mentality that is so prevailant these days. The game we take are living, breathing creatures and deserve to be treated with our respect, not just as a target in a shooting gallery. No offence meant toward ya, just my on the matter
Quote from: Bigeclipse on May 06, 2014, 10:54:45 AMQuote from: RAJ on May 06, 2014, 10:33:20 AMI am "hung up" as to why these birds always start circling at 40-50 yards unless they are seeing movement , shiny objects, such as scope glare, poor concealment, etc.Remember that pellet counts at certain distances do not equate to penetration or energy at a given distance and that pellets do not all arrive at the same instant, so that pattern boards can be somewhat deceiving .Once you get a few under your belt I hope that the experience enjoyed afield while turkey hunting will amount to more than filling a tag. Wait until you have a hammering gobbler under ten steps for an hour or so while trying to hold a gun up with mosquitoes piercing your ears and nose and you still never get the shot. The best movies in the world do not have the suspense and drama that is sometimes built into a turkey hunt.I appreciate your comments. I do not know either. I am used to holding ROCK steady with a bow drawn at deer under 20 yards. I believe I am holding as still as possible. I have had 3 Tom's over the past 2 years come in to my calls pretty quick. One came in to 40 yards (I actually paced that out) but again my current set-up gets me to 30 yards, 35 MAYBE...that would be risky though so I wouldnt want to shoot, but definitely not 40. The other two toms, came in about 45-55 yards away (this is a guess) I had previously ranged some trees with a range finder so it should be pretty close. Two of the times I was very well concealed. one I was physically in a bush. My buddy couldnt even see me at 30 yards and he knew I was there. The other I was behind a fallen log, only the very top of my head and my rifle where sticking about the log. My theory is...these birds heard a lady hen, went to where she was...circled around only to not find her and then went off. The third tom I was at the base of a tree, he definitely busted me...but only after he had already stopped and started walking around me looking for the hen. I tried to move into a better position, swinging my gun to my right...thought his head was behind a tree but maybe it wasnt.. He went running off, but he was still circling me. The story is, if I had a 50 yard gun, I would have definitely shot at the one at 40 yards...probably would not have shot at the other two, but I will be honest and say if it was last day hunting season MAYBE I would have if i really believed it was closer to the 45 yard mark than the 50 yard mark. anyways, I do understand what you are saying about penetration at greater distances, but theere have been plenty of tests out there showing that the newer heavier shot turkey loads, like tungsten alloys and such do penetrate very well out to 50, so I wouldnt be too worried about that. Maybe I am wrong about this...
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on May 06, 2014, 01:12:10 PMQuote from: Bigeclipse on May 06, 2014, 10:54:45 AMQuote from: RAJ on May 06, 2014, 10:33:20 AMI am "hung up" as to why these birds always start circling at 40-50 yards unless they are seeing movement , shiny objects, such as scope glare, poor concealment, etc.Remember that pellet counts at certain distances do not equate to penetration or energy at a given distance and that pellets do not all arrive at the same instant, so that pattern boards can be somewhat deceiving .Once you get a few under your belt I hope that the experience enjoyed afield while turkey hunting will amount to more than filling a tag. Wait until you have a hammering gobbler under ten steps for an hour or so while trying to hold a gun up with mosquitoes piercing your ears and nose and you still never get the shot. The best movies in the world do not have the suspense and drama that is sometimes built into a turkey hunt.The real problem is that youre CALLING TOO MUCH.If they are only coming to 45-50 yards and looking for the hen, you're giving that gobbler too much talk on the way in and he knows exactly where a "hen" should be when he gets there.Stop calling to them after they commit and you'll have turkeys walking a lot closer than 45 yards because they have to look for you.In theory, it's simple. In application, guys just watch too much TV and are enamored with hearing themselves call.
Quote from: Bigeclipse on May 06, 2014, 10:54:45 AMQuote from: RAJ on May 06, 2014, 10:33:20 AMI am "hung up" as to why these birds always start circling at 40-50 yards unless they are seeing movement , shiny objects, such as scope glare, poor concealment, etc.Remember that pellet counts at certain distances do not equate to penetration or energy at a given distance and that pellets do not all arrive at the same instant, so that pattern boards can be somewhat deceiving .Once you get a few under your belt I hope that the experience enjoyed afield while turkey hunting will amount to more than filling a tag. Wait until you have a hammering gobbler under ten steps for an hour or so while trying to hold a gun up with mosquitoes piercing your ears and nose and you still never get the shot. The best movies in the world do not have the suspense and drama that is sometimes built into a turkey hunt.