a buddy of mine put some down the pipe yesterday. dirty bore, 20 inch barrel and pattern just barely left and high. still 109 in the 10(this is what was in the ten ring on the target not drawing the ten to include the maximum hits) at 10 steps past what is allowed posted on here. 3.5 inch 6s. he does not like to shoot past 30 though. in all the years I have known him I only know of 3 birds killed past that. but man did it boost his enthusiasm to see that. he is going to try some 5s.