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Quote from: strutlife on March 09, 2014, 10:25:45 PMSaid it before and will say it again. Winchester has changed the game a WHOLE lot. All of the other manufacturer's had better getting to coming up with a new product.
Quote from: highwaygun on March 10, 2014, 01:11:40 AMQuote from: strutlife on March 09, 2014, 10:25:45 PMSaid it before and will say it again. Winchester has changed the game a WHOLE lot. All of the other manufacturer's had better getting to coming up with a new product.change what game. They dont pattern as good hevi's, they dont hit as hard as HW's, and they sure in the heck aint TSS. All Winchester did was make the best shell in a particular price range and thats it not the best shell ever. Yes they made a 2$ lead shell perform on paper like a 6$ plus htl shell but they still have the range, penetration, and density of a 2$ lead shell. What makes lead inferior to htl was never just the patterns it produces it was mainly the density of the lead itself. Winchester dipped a turd in chocolate and has many convinced there is caramel inside. When season opens many people are going to take a bite and realize that aint caramel!
Quote from: jfair on March 10, 2014, 08:30:48 AMQuote from: highwaygun on March 10, 2014, 01:11:40 AMQuote from: strutlife on March 09, 2014, 10:25:45 PMSaid it before and will say it again. Winchester has changed the game a WHOLE lot. All of the other manufacturer's had better getting to coming up with a new product.change what game. They dont pattern as good hevi's, they dont hit as hard as HW's, and they sure in the heck aint TSS. All Winchester did was make the best shell in a particular price range and thats it not the best shell ever. Yes they made a 2$ lead shell perform on paper like a 6$ plus htl shell but they still have the range, penetration, and density of a 2$ lead shell. What makes lead inferior to htl was never just the patterns it produces it was mainly the density of the lead itself. Winchester dipped a turd in chocolate and has many convinced there is caramel inside. When season opens many people are going to take a bite and realize that aint caramel!This is a ridiculous statement. The difference in density between lead and hevi is not as substantial as people make it out to be. If this is your end all be all, you need to rethink your stance. To call a great lead load a turd is beyond asinine. HTL shines in its patterning. Looks like lead is catching up. It changes the game.
Quote from: highwaygun on March 10, 2014, 10:49:59 AMQuote from: jfair on March 10, 2014, 08:30:48 AMQuote from: highwaygun on March 10, 2014, 01:11:40 AMQuote from: strutlife on March 09, 2014, 10:25:45 PMSaid it before and will say it again. Winchester has changed the game a WHOLE lot. All of the other manufacturer's had better getting to coming up with a new product.change what game. They dont pattern as good hevi's, they dont hit as hard as HW's, and they sure in the heck aint TSS. All Winchester did was make the best shell in a particular price range and thats it not the best shell ever. Yes they made a 2$ lead shell perform on paper like a 6$ plus htl shell but they still have the range, penetration, and density of a 2$ lead shell. What makes lead inferior to htl was never just the patterns it produces it was mainly the density of the lead itself. Winchester dipped a turd in chocolate and has many convinced there is caramel inside. When season opens many people are going to take a bite and realize that aint caramel!This is a ridiculous statement. The difference in density between lead and hevi is not as substantial as people make it out to be. If this is your end all be all, you need to rethink your stance. To call a great lead load a turd is beyond asinine. HTL shines in its patterning. Looks like lead is catching up. It changes the game.I was using a turd as a metaphor to show no matter what you coat something in it is still the same thing. In comparison to hevi lead is close in performance but in comparison to HW or TSS it is not by far. To say it changes the game for everyone is a asinine statement. Best lead load yes by far best turkey load no not even in top ten.
Quote from: jakesdad on March 11, 2014, 08:10:15 PMThis shell does very well at 40 yds for a $2 lead shell.Also is really tight at 20-25 yds,almost too tight for my liking..........because my liking is not to miss
Quote from: WVHills on March 11, 2014, 10:48:00 PMQuote from: jakesdad on March 11, 2014, 08:10:15 PMThis shell does very well at 40 yds for a $2 lead shell.Also is really tight at 20-25 yds,almost too tight for my liking..........because my liking is not to miss I don't like to miss either! I'll have to shoot this at 20 yrds to see what it does out of my setup.
Quote from: Longshanks on March 13, 2014, 01:13:26 PMYou have to give up one to get another..if you want a gun that patterns best at 15-20yds you could shoot a modified choke and any shell. To get what patterns best at 40yds whether it's HTL or LB's..it's gonna be tight at 15-20. The patterns I have seen at close range with LB's don't look much different than my guns set up for HTL. My 870 with a kicks .655 shoots the entire pattern inside a 10" @ 20 with all of the 3" 6 lead turkey loads from Winchester (super x, xx, hv) Turkey guns with tight chokes shoot tight patterns at 15-20, just the way it is..aim small..miss small.