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Started by sbbow, February 21, 2014, 10:33:40 PM
Quote from: SouthernStrut on February 23, 2014, 01:37:58 AMJust shot some of the new Winchester long beard XR shells today and they delivered as promised. Shot the 3-1/2" #4 at 45-50 yards through my pure gold choke and had all the pellets within a 20" diameter. ALL of the pellets. These things really hold together at long ranges. Will have to be dead friggin on at 10 steps or so when you get em in close, which is why I haven't decided if I'll drop my supreme no. 5's for these or not. If you're looking at taking long range shots at 40-60 yards, give the new long beard shells a try.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on February 23, 2014, 09:51:13 AMQuote from: SouthernStrut on February 23, 2014, 01:37:58 AMJust shot some of the new Winchester long beard XR shells today and they delivered as promised. Shot the 3-1/2" #4 at 45-50 yards through my pure gold choke and had all the pellets within a 20" diameter. ALL of the pellets. These things really hold together at long ranges. Will have to be dead friggin on at 10 steps or so when you get em in close, which is why I haven't decided if I'll drop my supreme no. 5's for these or not. If you're looking at taking long range shots at 40-60 yards, give the new long beard shells a try.Lead does not have the energy to kill at 50-60 yards consistently. If you are looking to kill at that range you need to be running HTL or TSS.Anyone shooting PB at turkeys at 55 yards is going to be sorely disappointed and crippling a lot of birds.
Quote from: SouthernStrut on February 23, 2014, 10:45:34 AMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on February 23, 2014, 09:51:13 AMQuote from: SouthernStrut on February 23, 2014, 01:37:58 AMJust shot some of the new Winchester long beard XR shells today and they delivered as promised. Shot the 3-1/2" #4 at 45-50 yards through my pure gold choke and had all the pellets within a 20" diameter. ALL of the pellets. These things really hold together at long ranges. Will have to be dead friggin on at 10 steps or so when you get em in close, which is why I haven't decided if I'll drop my supreme no. 5's for these or not. If you're looking at taking long range shots at 40-60 yards, give the new long beard shells a try.Lead does not have the energy to kill at 50-60 yards consistently. If you are looking to kill at that range you need to be running HTL or TSS.Anyone shooting PB at turkeys at 55 yards is going to be sorely disappointed and crippling a lot of birds.This is not a "traditional" lead load. It's not just powder, wading, and shot. There's another element, similar to homemade wax shotshell loads, that holds the shot together longer once the wading releases. The manufacturer claims 10% greater penetration over standard lead loads beyond 50 yds. That tells me they have done extensive testing and calculations to show what type of patterns these shells are capable of. In manufacturing you can't just release a new product and claim that it does more than it really does. Especially not an industry leader like Winchester. They aren't some joe blow making shells in his garage. I shot several loads yesterday and these patterned best of all of them. However, I don't plan on taking 50 yd shots. 20 is average for me because of the terrain I hunt and setups I choose, which is why I said I will probably just stick to my Winchester supremes. They have been killing turkeys at close ranges and out to 40 yds for years so there's no reason to change. Just giving my feedback on the performance of a new product, and the results were clear.
Quote from: SouthernStrut on February 23, 2014, 01:37:42 PMThat's right. It's a good reliable shell that is a great improvement from Winchester supremes or Double X. Whatever the case I know I put more pellets in a 10" circle at 45yds w/ long beard than with any other shell I shot, and they all are carrying the same amount of energy at that distance so I would say the more pellets the better. There were more pellets in the circle because of the resin holding the shot together once it releases from the wading. It's really simple when you think about it and makes perfect sense if you understand basic physics. And the resin actually is a real thing.....it's not some marketing b.s. like the squealing hen call. Cut the shell open if you want to and see. And regarding close shot misses.....if you have a close encounter and need to make a shot at 10 steps they are all gonna shoot the same because the wading will take the birds face off if your aim is true. The few times I've shot hevi shot I didn't even put a pellet on the paper at 30 yds because it shot low or high or somewhere not where I put the bead. I gave all that junk away. Either way I'd hate to know I might have to make a 70 yard shot on a turkey. I might have to rethink my strategy, setup, calling, and basic knowledge of turkey hunting if that were the case.
Quote from: davisd9 on February 23, 2014, 05:05:00 PMQuote from: SouthernStrut on February 23, 2014, 01:37:42 PMThat's right. It's a good reliable shell that is a great improvement from Winchester supremes or Double X. Whatever the case I know I put more pellets in a 10" circle at 45yds w/ long beard than with any other shell I shot, and they all are carrying the same amount of energy at that distance so I would say the more pellets the better. There were more pellets in the circle because of the resin holding the shot together once it releases from the wading. It's really simple when you think about it and makes perfect sense if you understand basic physics. And the resin actually is a real thing.....it's not some marketing b.s. like the squealing hen call. Cut the shell open if you want to and see. And regarding close shot misses.....if you have a close encounter and need to make a shot at 10 steps they are all gonna shoot the same because the wading will take the birds face off if your aim is true. The few times I've shot hevi shot I didn't even put a pellet on the paper at 30 yds because it shot low or high or somewhere not where I put the bead. I gave all that junk away. Either way I'd hate to know I might have to make a 70 yard shot on a turkey. I might have to rethink my strategy, setup, calling, and basic knowledge of turkey hunting if that were the case.Even at 45 yards you will watch birds run away with lead 6s. You may get lucky here and there with 4s and 5s. I never said I shot 70 yards but that it was a claim by hevi shot, you must not have actually read my post. It is just as false as Winchester's claims, but if one is going to kill half way effective past 40 yards then it would be the heavier shot. If you miss up close with the longbeards you better consider yourself a lottery winner for the wad to hit him let alone kill him.Do what you want with taking longer than 40 yard shots but you will more than likely be highly disappointed. I hope every bird you shoot comes in, stands straight up and still at 40 yards for you.I have seen the fcw hit birds and go in their skin but anyone with knowledge on turkey loads know that is a wad is a whole different beast.Sent from my KFTT using Tapatalk 2
Quote from: ads1 on February 21, 2014, 10:46:13 PM3.5 inch, Hevi Shot #7