Haven't got them down pat yet, they sound good, but i want to try crystal over glass before I sell any. Trying to get the pot design like I want it too, this one is very close to what i think will be a contender. Going to try an Osage pot next or a China Berry one. Also thinking about changing the pedestal too, gonna try using dowels to mount it to over the aluminum can bottom. May be too much echo, don't know yet, but i won't know if I don't try it. Gotta say the two best strikers I have so far are the osage and the persimmon.