Ok I bought the thug #5's. going to test 3 shells Thursday. 3-2-5 old fed's and 3-1 7/8-5 thugs through a undertaker choke i already own and 3-1 5/8-7 Fed HWT with a Turlock choke I just purchased. If the lead is close the Trulock choke will be sent back. It's so hard to find the Fed HWT's and there expensive and only going to go up in price from what I hear. I realize its not really a fair comparison with 7 HTL vs. 5 lead that's why I wanted #6 to be a little closer but as mentioned above if I can get 110+ with 5's at $1 a shell I will be thrilled! Shooting old bottom land camo 11-87 20" barrel 3 inch.