Thanks Clark I had 40 that were all killing shells that's why I had saved them. To say I was a little upset would be an under statement. Guess I should have left them on my work bench instead of the kitchen table! May not have the org kill brass now but the remington is a little longer brass than most! May have go look at buying a box of cheaper Remington's and shooting them up...I hate remington shells except the org hevishot!