Well I'm not downgrading a particular load or shot. What I said is what most people have said that have shot both. I have no desire to even try them. But I do know they are a very good load. I'm not knocking them one bit. Like I said shoot what you wish. If you got 100% confidence in your load, who am I to tell you they suck and that your blind for shooting what you shoot. That just ain't what these forums here are about at least I don't think they should be.