Environmetal HEVI-METAL Turkey

[mightyjoeyoung]

Or at least to pattern and shoot for sight in for those with a budget.[/quote]

Not sure this stuff is really a "budget" load considering how everywhere I'm seeing it on the shelves it is 12 bucks for 5 rounds of the 3" 1.25 ounce loads!  24 bucks for ten rounds?  Not a huge difference from even the lighter hevi shot loads that STILL give you at least 1 5/8 ounce payloads...  Marketing ploy to catch the suckers...nothing more impo. 

[mossy835]

Or at least to pattern and shoot for sight in for those with a budget.

Not sure this stuff is really a "budget" load considering how everywhere I'm seeing it on the shelves it is 12 bucks for 5 rounds of the 3" 1.25 ounce loads!  24 bucks for ten rounds?  Not a huge difference from even the lighter hevi shot loads that STILL give you at least 1 5/8 ounce payloads...  Marketing ploy to catch the suckers...nothing more impo. 
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I wish I could find ten rounds of H13 turkey loads out here all I have seen are 5 rounds per box on the shelves. At Cabela's yesterday the price for 5 mag blend loads was double the cost of the heavy metal duplex load???

[mightyjoeyoung]

ok, let's do some math shall we?

There are aprox. 127 #4 steel pellets and aprox. 132, #6 hevi shot pellets in a 1.25 ounce load of hevi metal turkey for a grand total of about 259 total pellets IF the load is devided equally between the two shot types.  The steel pellets WILL lose energy to ethically and reliably kill a turkey far sooner than the Hevi pellets will due to larger diam (higher wind resistance) and just less mass in relation to pellet size (density).  Sure the hevi pellets will kill past the steel, but imo, there just aren't enough of them in there to do the job reliably and ethically.  I drop the hammer on a big gobbler, I want him dead right there.  I have seen BB size steel shot litterally bounce off of big late season Canada geese at 45 yards or so and they carry quite a bit more energy that those measly #4s for certain.  Again...marketing ploy to catch the suckers out there...nothing more.  I am disapointed in EM on this one I gotta tell ya.

[beagler]

Just me but I'd never shoot any type of steel for turkey.

[hunter-b]

 Not my cup of tea . be better with lead & hevi

[onelow69c10]

That stuff is straight up junk! I shot hevi metal during duck season and after shooting almost an entire box and only cleanly killing 3 ducks and crippling several others i tossed it all and went back to the cheap ole Federal blue box number 2's and went right back to smackin ducks cleanly. So in other words, i'd never touch their turkey loads with a 10 foot pole.

Glad to read this I was going to try it for next year for ducks, but I guess I'll just stick to my cheap winchesters and occasional black clouds when I catch them on sale.

[trkehunr93]

I hunted with an outfitter in TX a couple of seasons ago and one of the other hunters was using steel shot to hunt with and he had to shoot 4 times and still had to run down the gobbler, he was hunting with a shotgun set up for duck hunting.  I just shook my head. 

[mightyjoeyoung]

That stuff is straight up junk! I shot hevi metal during duck season and after shooting almost an entire box and only cleanly killing 3 ducks and crippling several others i tossed it all and went back to the cheap ole Federal blue box number 2's and went right back to smackin ducks cleanly. So in other words, i'd never touch their turkey loads with a 10 foot pole.

This is gonna hurt you more than it hurts me...

1.  Did you ever even bother to pattern it? By the statement "after shooting an ENTIRE BOX and only cleanly..." I bet you did not.  If you've got duck-sized holes in your patterns I'd be willing to bet you were a crippling machine!
2.  I was crushing big resident honkers with hevi metal 2s all season long and into our late season at ranges from a few feet to 50+ yards.  Why on earth would you think you'd need 2s to kill duckswhen 4 shot will kill em dead to 40 yards?  Btw...geese are way tougher than any duck that flies.
In other words, you're post sounds woefully uninformed. 

[Old Gobbler]

We had some boxes of Hevi metal #4 for ducks out of out 1187's and we couldn't notice a performance gap betwren that and 1400 fps #4 steel - but other people rave about for ducks 


I don't know the reasoning behind the promotion of this product , but it is their company and they can do as they please - had anyone taken the time to survey some turkey hunters they could saved themselves the trouble - With any luck they can repackage the product for the waterfowlers in time for duck season


My only recommendation to EM is to develop some H13 loads in popular straight shot sizes that turkey hunters like 6's and 7's and offer them in 1200 and 1300 fps offerings - what I am suggesting is straight versions of the Mag Blend may I suggest the trademark "Hot Load" Im willing to bet some hunters would be willing to trade off some pattern to get a kicking load -

[E-F-Brady]

Thanks for all your help everyone.  I was about 2 seconds away from ordering a pile of it

[Philippe]

That stuff is straight up junk! I shot hevi metal during duck season and after shooting almost an entire box and only cleanly killing 3 ducks and crippling several others i tossed it all and went back to the cheap ole Federal blue box number 2's and went right back to smackin ducks cleanly. So in other words, i'd never touch their turkey loads with a 10 foot pole.

This is gonna hurt you more than it hurts me...

1.  Did you ever even bother to pattern it? By the statement "after shooting an ENTIRE BOX and only cleanly..." I bet you did not.  If you've got duck-sized holes in your patterns I'd be willing to bet you were a crippling machine!
2.  I was crushing big resident honkers with hevi metal 2s all season long and into our late season at ranges from a few feet to 50+ yards.  Why on earth would you think you'd need 2s to kill duckswhen 4 shot will kill em dead to 40 yards?  Btw...geese are way tougher than any duck that flies.
In other words, you're post sounds woefully uninformed. 

All of my duck/goose guns are all well maintained and patterened correctly for the distances we plan to bring our birds into wich is always 30 yards from blind to decoys. I have also done penetration tests with ballistic gel. Hevi metal is garbage! I'd like to goose hunt with you sometime and see you crumple them with hevi metal 2's at 50+.  If you like it, so be it. I'll stick with plain ole steel or hevi duck.

[Philippe]

That stuff is straight up junk! I shot hevi metal during duck season and after shooting almost an entire box and only cleanly killing 3 ducks and crippling several others i tossed it all and went back to the cheap ole Federal blue box number 2's and went right back to smackin ducks cleanly. So in other words, i'd never touch their turkey loads with a 10 foot pole.

Glad to read this I was going to try it for next year for ducks, but I guess I'll just stick to my cheap winchesters and occasional black clouds when I catch them on sale.

That would be a good bet, get a good choke and shell combo, learn your gun and bring those birds into a resonable distance and stick with steel.

[JDogg]

I would go back to shooting 100% lead loads before I would consider shooting a shell that is half steel shot at a turkey.

Except in an increasing number of wildlife areas we have to shoot nontoxic loads for turkey hunting.  I actually expected alot more testing and results analysis from this board, rather than all they hyperbole and assumptions going on.  Which many were proven very wrong by my own testing.  I have to agree that I would have drawn the same conclusions just thinking out loud about it, but I decided just to try it and see what happens.
   I know this is an older thread but I just shot some of it find out the "Real World" performance of it.  I expected the worst knowing that it was #4 steel shot and #6 hevis.  So we set up a target at 50 yds to test the pattern and penetration.  (I wanted to get beyond 40 yards to see if the steel had lost its umph.)   We then set up a 2x4 next to the turkey head target to test the penetration.  I was shooting my Mossberg SSI One with the factory ulti-full extended turkey choke.

Well I was blown away by the results.  The steel pellets penetrated just as far as the 6 hevis, measured from the poing of entry.  Which actually means they went farther because they were protrudeing more into the wood.     Also their footprint is much larger.  overal the pattern was pretty good and killable at our distance.  It actually got my thinker going and was wonderying if I could make a good turkey load out of just number four steel.

[mossy835]

I would go back to shooting 100% lead loads before I would consider shooting a shell that is half steel shot at a turkey.

Except in an increasing number of wildlife areas we have to shoot nontoxic loads for turkey hunting.  I actually expected alot more testing and results analysis from this board, rather than all they hyperbole and assumptions going on.  Which many were proven very wrong by my own testing.  I have to agree that I would have drawn the same conclusions just thinking out loud about it, but I decided just to try it and see what happens.
   I know this is an older thread but I just shot some of it find out the "Real World" performance of it.  I expected the worst knowing that it was #4 steel shot and #6 hevis.  So we set up a target at 50 yds to test the pattern and penetration.  (I wanted to get beyond 40 yards to see if the steel had lost its umph.)   We then set up a 2x4 next to the turkey head target to test the penetration.  I was shooting my Mossberg SSI One with the factory ulti-full extended turkey choke.

Well I was blown away by the results.  The steel pellets penetrated just as far as the 6 hevis, measured from the poing of entry.  Which actually means they went farther because they were protrudeing more into the wood.     Also their footprint is much larger.  overal the pattern was pretty good and killable at our distance.  It actually got my thinker going and was wonderying if I could make a good turkey load out of just number four steel.

I intend to do the same with some pheasant loads but it seems there are a lot of people that have not shot the duplex load that are loaded for bear here. I know first hand that the duck/goose loads work just fine but I will keep that to my self as steel seems to be a bad word!

[Michigander]

Contrary to popular belief, you can kill a tom with #4 steel at 40 yards out of a modified choke. 

I know, I know, but i was young and dumb. I was duck hunting and had 3 other guns backing me up though.