The "Old" Green Remington 3", !5/8 oz., 1225 fps in both 5's and 6's, which is 12 g/cc, shot great in several of my turkey guns and accounted for a lot of gobblers. I was like a lot of other turkey hunters who had a "lead mentality" and initially assumed that you needed 4's or 5's in the Hevi-shot loads to kill turkeys. The changes and advances in turkey loads over the last 25 years, or so, has been nothing short of phenomenal. I've still got 10-12 boxes of the Activ 3", 21/4 oz, nickle-plated lead 4's, 5's, and 6's which, at the time, was the best turkey load which I had ever shot. Then came the "Old" green Remington loads which thumped birds followed by the Polywad Hevi-Shot "Old Whites" which were in a class by themselves as turkey killers. Environ-Metal, the suppliers of Hevi-Shot, started loading turkey shells and, IMO, initially produced some real duds in both the red and green hulls. Now we have, not without some previous controversy due to component changes, the EM Hevi-13 gold hull 3" and 31/2" turkey loads which out perform all other turkey loads in several of my guns. All the the shells which I have mentioned will kill turkeys, and I would hunt tomorrow with any of them, except maybe the EM red and green loadings. Turkey shells, guns, and chokes have all evolved, in most cases, for the better. I have failed to mention the Winchester HTL offerings since I really havn't personally evaluated them and the Federal Flight-control loads w/Heavyweight for just the opposite reason. I've spent a lot of money on the Federal HW and tried a bunch of different chokes in several guns, but have never gotten the consistency or patterns that I can get out of the current EM loads.