Good Pattern VS a great pattern

[sugarray]

You numbers will come up.  If you really want to improve get a Pure Gold .670 choke or an Indian Creek .675.  These will help a lot, esp after the cleaning.

Already tired the Pure gold,  shot just as good numbers as the kick's but i like the overall pattern the kicks .680 gave me.  just sold the pure gold and my primos tightwad choke and i'm oing to use the money to buy a IC.  i hoping for good thing out of the IC

I don't think you will get better than the PG with the IC.  But, I love to shoot too and like to see what my gun will do.

[maustypsu]

I'm shooting Hevi13 3.5 2.25oz #7 and i'm getting 35 hits in a 3inch circle, 223 in the 10, and 416 in a 20 inch circle @ 40 yards using a range finder.  

Are we really trying to improve on these numbers???  Come on guys, this is getting out of hand.  If you can't kill a turkey with a pattern like this, you are shooting way too far at birds.  Stop.  Save your time and money.  Spend it scouting, practicing your calling or getting in shape for the season.

[3" 870 Shell Shucker]

I'm shooting Hevi13 3.5 2.25oz #7 and i'm getting 35 hits in a 3inch circle, 223 in the 10, and 416 in a 20 inch circle @ 40 yards using a range finder.  This is my best pattern so far. Using hevi 13 3.5 2.25 #6 i'm getting 17 in a 3 inch circle, 157 in a 10 inch circle and 323 in a 20 inch circle.

I've gotten 255-280 in 10" with 3" #7's, and 143-157 in 10" with 3" #6's in an 870. 
That's 1/4 Ounce Less Shot than what you're shooting,
and yet nobody has accused me of having great patterns with these numbers.
This website has a way of making really good patterns seem average.

[jbrown]

Thats good enouph for me

[hobbes]

Either way, you've got one dead turkey on your hands.  But.....if I was spending the cash on Hevi, I'd expect better out of 6's than "157 in a 10 inch circle ". 

[Jourdan_D]

Either way, you've got one dead turkey on your hands.  But.....if I was spending the cash on Hevi, I'd expect better out of 6's than "157 in a 10 inch circle ". 

I've spent alot of money on ammo and chokes for this gun (More then i paid for the whole gun).  Maybe it's just my gun.  i've tried a lot of chokes (Jellyhead, Puregold, Kicks, Comp'n'choke, etc) and boxes, and boxes and more boxes of ammo.  the #6 hevi's , up until last weekend were the best numbers i ever got.  then tried the #7 this past weekend.  think i'm going to polish my barrel this week and see if my numbers go up. if they dont i might just want to look for a different gun.........

[3" 870 Shell Shucker]

I'd expect better out of 6's than "157 in a 10 inch circle

Those #6 numbers are with 1 3/4 Oz. shells, not 2 Oz. shells.

[Jourdan_D]

I'd expect better out of 6's than "157 in a 10 inch circle

Those #6 numbers are with 1 3/4 Oz. shells, not 2 Oz. shells.

then those #'s sound good i'm getting less with a 2.25 oz thats .75 oz more then what your shooting

[Gobble!]

I would not be happy with 223 with the 7s they are much better then that
I got 323 at 40 yards

That's more then enough don't get me wrong but that would be a big drop at 50

[hobbes]

3" shell shucker, I never read your post before i posted, so my comment was directed toward Jourdan's numbers.  The 157 w/ 1 3/4 oz of shot sounds much better than 157 w/ 2 1/4 oz of shot. 

Jourdan, I believe you said your shooting an 835.  I'm not a Mossy fan, but I've never heard of anyone acuse the 835 of anything but great patterns.  Like said above, this site has a way of making you think great patterns are mediocre.  157 in a 10 will stomp a turkey in the ground everytime you pull the trigger, provided you shoot straight.  I wouldn't buy a new gun over those numbers.

I don't even shoot Hevi shot, but shoot lead, so you know I'm satisfied with less than top performance.  However, less than top performance doesn't mean less than adequate. 

[shootumindaface]

I'm shooting Hevi13 3.5 2.25oz #7 and i'm getting 35 hits in a 3inch circle, 223 in the 10, and 416 in a 20 inch circle @ 40 yards using a range finder.  

Are we really trying to improve on these numbers???  Come on guys, this is getting out of hand.  If you can't kill a turkey with a pattern like this, you are shooting way too far at birds.  Stop.  Save your time and money.  Spend it scouting, practicing your calling or getting in shape for the season.

I agree with you in this case... All of this has gotten stupid.. 2 years ago with 6s if someone put up 223 at 40 everyone would be stating "awesome" "great Pattern" etc etc and all of a sudden with 7s it isnt good enough..

[pullit]

  think i'm going to polish my barrel this week and see if my numbers go up. if they dont i might just want to look for a different gun.........

Your numbers will go up at least 15% based on what I have seen by polishing the barrel. Even without polishing your barrel, I would hunt with your rig all day everyday.
You can get too much of a good thing and when you get one up in your face, you are so tight that you have no forgiveness.

[3.5inchpainfulldeath]

any of the numbers that you stated will lay down a bird at 40 yards.  I wouldn't worry about numbers, it's a clean kill that matters.

[sugarray]

After looking again at your post, you are shooting 3.5" shells and 2 1/4 oz of #6 and #7.  Those numbers are no where near where they should be. 

#1 are you shooting first and then drawing your 10" circle?

You have deep cleaned now, so your numbers will improve.  I don't see how the Kicks would beat the PG.  I wouldn't have gotten rid of that one, but since you did, the IC in a .675 will improve your numbers to where I think they should be with those loads.

[shootumindaface]

I'm shooting Hevi13 3.5 2.25oz #7 and i'm getting 35 hits in a 3inch circle, 223 in the 10, and 416 in a 20 inch circle @ 40 yards using a range finder.  

Are we really trying to improve on these numbers???  Come on guys, this is getting out of hand.  If you can't kill a turkey with a pattern like this, you are shooting way too far at birds.  Stop.  Save your time and money.  Spend it scouting, practicing your calling or getting in shape for the season.

I agree with you in this case... All of this has gotten stupid.. 2 years ago with 6s if someone put up 223 at 40 everyone would be stating "awesome" "great Pattern" etc etc and all of a sudden with 7s it isnt good enough..

I gotta disagree, Shootum. Two years ago, 223 with 6s @ 40 yds would be "awesome" and "a great pattern", and it still would be today. The fact remains that 223 with 7s is not "awesome' or "a great pattern". It is a good pattern that will kill turkeys all day long, but the shells are capable of much better. It's his money. He is free to spend it any way he wants. If we were all concerned with "adequate", we would all be shooting lead. Where'd be the fun in that?

Im not telling him how to spend his money or I am not saying the shell is not capable of more.. But the only reason to have more in a ten inch circle is to extend your range.. Its widely accepted on here that 100 in a ten inch circle is a standard minimum and 50 or so more than that for a buffer.. Than when someone puts up a measely 223 with the 7s everyones telling them to go for better..

As for lead, if I could find a lead 6 load in the 20 that would put up 140 in a ten inch circle at 40 I would switch back..