It Will Come A Day!

[NYturkey]

My biggest issue with the Black Hills specifically is that it's not a state forest, it's a National.

"In the United States, national forest is a classification of protected and managed federal lands that are largely forest and woodland areas. They are owned collectively by the American people through the federal government and managed by the United States Forest Service, a division of the United States Department of Agriculture. The U.S. Forest Service is also a forestry research organization which provides financial assistance to state and local forestry industry.[1] There are 154 national forests in the United States."


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[eggshell]

Custer State Park is right in the middle of the black hills and I believe non residents are not allowed to turkey hunt in it. Residents already have an exclusive parcel of land within the Black Hills.

[Bottomland OG]

I have been a traveling turkey and deer hunter for a long time. Way before YouTube or the hunting channels on tv. I'm not a slam chaser, I just love hunting. I have never had a problem with the way each state regulates the land within that state. This issue has been going on for a long time, it's just more wide spread across the country now days. I was privileged enough to get to hunt SD years ago when it was good and got to witness the numbers decline just like many other states as hunting got popular. I  live in a state that has a draw hunt for the first 3 days of turkey in a national forest. I have never been drawn for as long as this has been going on, and live in the same county. I always consider it as a donation. I don't get pissed off I just go somewhere else. I also own property in another state that has a lottery system for bear tags only for the residents. No nonresidents. Not even land owners, I don't whine about it, I just let my neighbors bear hunt if they happen to draw a tag. As far as wanting the federal government to intervene, well this would probably be a complete disaster. For example the powers at be right now can't even define what a woman is so I definitely don't want them messing around with our hunting. At the end of the day we all should be thankful we still are able to hunt. As long as the decisions that are made from state to state are for the better of the turkey populations I'm all for whatever that decision is. But we all have our own opinions. This is just my 2 cents.

[GobbleNut]

I believe this horse has been sufficiently beaten, but here is the bottom line for those folks wanting change:  The system that is in place now is based on existing interpretation of wildlife law regarding "state's rights" in this country...and ALL across the country. It very likely ain't gonna change folks.

You can TRY to change the laws (again, very unlikely)...or you can deal with it by staying abreast of the changes in the different states as they occur and modifying your hunting preparations and strategies to try to best take advantage of those changes. 

[WV Flopper]

Lots of truth in the last several posts.

Thanks guys, I respect that.

[deathfoot]

I've hunted several states that require a draw for limited turkey tags. Some states limit non resident tags while other states that have a x amount of tags give residents first choice.

What I've found, great turkey populations in those states and well worth drawing for. I do think residents of the state should have first choice when tags are limited. Look at Arizona, they limit all big game and turkey tags to a maximum of just 10% non residents.

Only my opinion of course. Again, I don't mind drawing as a non resident. If I don't get it, I'll keep drawing until I do. I'm a guest in their state, where they pay taxes daily.

[Prospector]

Wow, some of you have an attitude of entitlement that is misplaced. South Dakota, and every other state, has a responsibility to manage its resources for the benefits of the residents of South Dakota. Residents of a particular state accrue benefits of that state by their living, working, and paying taxes in that state. Nonresidents simply do not have the same rights and privileges as the residents of a state. When a limited resource is being stressed and restrictions are needed then a state has the obligation to limit nonresidents before limiting residents.

It is either PUBLIC Land.... Or it is not. If it also carries the moniker of Federal or National then you as a resident have no more right to it than I. I have stated this many times. It doesn't matter what the law may say. I may have to abide by that law, BUT it does not make it right.
This is a free country. Hunting your home state or another state is still a privilege....and not just for the Privileged.

[eddie234]

You see it everyday on here, people complaining about the YouTubers bring attention to their public land.


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[WV Flopper]

It's been a long hot summer, thankfully, it's almost over.

[YoungGobbler]

I just read the post...

I am on the resident's side on this one. Residents should have the priority to hunt their own state.

[Prospector]

Agree with the original post- the " entitlement" is the residents.... Let's take it a step farther: you Black Hills residents stay off the ocean beaches: don't eat gulf coast seafood, please refrain from visiting Disney with your grandkids, don't head south when it's winter, Anotherwords, since you are being so selfish, stay home and do not in anyway engage in hospitality offered elsewhere. Not just hunting... that is the door that's being opened.

[Zobo]

It is the damndest thing that if paralleled to other things we do as American citizens that what if we were told that our driver license's were possibly invalid outside our home state depending on how many others drove there before we did. That the residences had first dibs on the road resources? 

How about right to carry that is not universal across the nation?  My home state of NY is one of the worst for that. Are we only state citizens, not American citizens? Sorry but last time I checked my passport it says I am an American Citizen, What say you?

Do any of you have the notion that the right to hunt is a basic right? Yet we yield to all these fees, and 100's of laws to hunt. This is on top of what is paid in taxes to fund wildlife management and research. Foolishly I could argue that I don't need to pay taxes that fund wildlife management or research in your state? Don't worry, I won't be taking that position. Yet some of you have a holier than thou attitude and pissed off about neighbors that won't let you hunt their property. Maybe that is a microcosm of resident/non-resident discussions.

The epidemy of self entitlement and exclusionary thinking.

You think NY is bad? Don't even think about heading to Massachusetts for hunting purposes. If you are in possession of ANY semi automatic firearm and you're not a resident you are now I violation of a new law.