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Started by Spurs, July 25, 2023, 10:49:55 AM
Quote from: Spurs on July 25, 2023, 10:49:55 AMHow do we fix it? This is the one that I really think Rinella is delusional (he thinks the community needs to stop following public hunting figures...impossible). I would love to see an organization (maybe TFT) come out and focus a huge amount of their time/resources on public land access and acquisition.
Quote from: Spurs on July 25, 2023, 10:49:55 AM I would love to see an organization (maybe TFT) come out and focus a huge amount of their time/resources on public land access and acquisition.
Quote from: Spurs on July 25, 2023, 10:49:55 AMPublic property over crowding was already becoming an issue way before YT. Ask any duck hunter in Arkansas. Sure it's gotten worse over the years, but in my experience, it started in the early 2000s. State agencies need to get this under wrap and focus more on acquiring additional public properties and/or providing more access. I know every state has this issue. There are thousands upon thousands of acres out there that could be opened up.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on July 26, 2023, 10:04:56 AMQuote from: Spurs on July 25, 2023, 10:49:55 AM I would love to see an organization (maybe TFT) come out and focus a huge amount of their time/resources on public land access and acquisition. That is not TFT's mission. They are doing a great job assisting in funding research that may help us get more turkeys on the ground. NWTF has done a little to assist with public access, but most people will never hunt where they've helped get public access. And getting public access is FAR from NWTF's goal. Do you realize the funding necessary to acquire public hunting access? If a property is bought, lets just use an asking price of $2,000/acre. They buy a square mile (640 acres). That is $1.28 MILLION dollars. How many turkey hunters do you think you can cram onto that square mile while still maintaining a hint of hunting quality? That $1.28 million would much better spent by most organizations on research. One conservation group that comes to mind that actually HAS helped secure a lot more public hunting access is the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. They are one of the best in that regards. The Nature Conservancy is a big player oo.Quote from: Spurs on July 25, 2023, 10:49:55 AMPublic property over crowding was already becoming an issue way before YT. Ask any duck hunter in Arkansas. Sure it's gotten worse over the years, but in my experience, it started in the early 2000s. State agencies need to get this under wrap and focus more on acquiring additional public properties and/or providing more access. I know every state has this issue. There are thousands upon thousands of acres out there that could be opened up.The turkey public land overcrowding was on a slow rise or even mostly stable in most states. Until the YouTube/social media era. Since, we've seen DRASTIC leaps in demand unlike anything we've ever witnessed before. And the data is there to back it up. There is NO arguing it hasn't had a detrimental effect on public hunting opportunities. And guess what? MANY of us on this very forum predicted this would happen. As far as states opening up more access, refer back to the costs above. Best we can hope for is more states getting private lands hunting programs where landowners get payment for allowing public access. But you ain't gonna see hardly any of that east of the MS River. And what little acreage that may be opened up by such programs will never be enough to meet the current demand of public land turkey hunting.As far as NWR's allowing more public access, we are actually getting there thanks to Trump. He started the ball rolling to get more hunting opportunities opened up on NWR. Each year for the past 3-4 years more and more NWRs are allowing additional (or even the first) hunting opportunities. But guess what? Still won't be enough to meet demand.What can states do to help? BAN or RESTRICT the commercial exploitation of our public land resources. The damage has already been done, but any further needs to be mitigated while possible. For a long time Missouri didn't allow commercial filming on its state owned lands. However they've since allowed it by permit at the low cost of like ~$500/day (or somewhere around there.) And the feds need to enforce their commercial use permitting regulations that are already in place in some areas. I guarantee you some of your favorite YouTubers haven't bought some necessary film permits in the past.What can WE do to help? As Rinella's platform states, Hunt Quietly. Don't support hunting influencers/YouTubers. If you do, you are just further assisting in the commercialization of our public land hunting resource.Those who profit from filming/sponsorships/etc. will use the excuse "Oh we need more hunters! The antis, the antis!" Think about this. How much turkey hunting opportunity have we lost from the antis? Now how much have we lost thanks to YouTube? Hmmmm.....
Quote from: TurkeyReaper69 on July 26, 2023, 09:53:51 AMQuote from: Spurs on July 25, 2023, 10:49:55 AMHow do we fix it? This is the one that I really think Rinella is delusional (he thinks the community needs to stop following public hunting figures...impossible). I would love to see an organization (maybe TFT) come out and focus a huge amount of their time/resources on public land access and acquisition. TFT nor any other non-profit has thee funds to acquire the amount of land we need to somewhat mitigate this overcrowding issue. The federal government are the only ones with the ability to just make more money to buy more land... But every proposal to do so is always met with criticism from Republicans at the state, local, and federal levels. Don't believe me? I know of 2 NWR proposals that the GOP has attacked in last few weeks, one in Pennsylvania, one in Maine. Big gubment stealing all the land mane!!!
Quote from: joey46 on July 27, 2023, 06:56:04 AMI assume Matt Rinella is Steve Rinella's brother? He has done shows, accompanying his brother, on the Meateater series available on YouTube and the Sportsman's Channel. His turkey hunting in a Montana NF episode isn't bad. Almost made we want to buy a llama. It is an older episode. Put "meateater turkey hunt" in your YouTube search feature and it will come up. If I remember he shoots a jake which on this forum would get him castrated and boiled in oil. I long ago gave Meateater a subscribing click. One of the better series. Someplace on one of these forums it was rumored the two brothers had a falling out. Apparently true. Oh well.I just scanned the previous post. Did anyone not know who Matt Rinella is? I don't do Podcast so I've never heard him.
Quote from: Farmboy27 on July 26, 2023, 08:39:21 PMHunting shows on television and the internet have done far more harm to hunting than good! They were, are, and will always be by and large either an outlet to brag and showboat or to make money. Most of the people who produce this rubbish either don't think ahead about the consequences or simply don't care. I've said it many times before and I will say it again, hunting will be destroyed by hunters, not by anti hunters.