Has anyone tried 2 3/4 12 gauge 2 oz TSS?

[kwild835]

Yes


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[BINK McCARTY]

Yes


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That, my friend, is one AWESOME pattern!!!

[Racer1]

Just wondering if anyone has tried out the 12 gauge 2 3/4 TSS ....I notice Nitro and Apex both have it as an option

I got the Apex to try in an old 1100 and waxed a bird at 30 yards yesterday.  It threw an excellent pattern out of my 30" full choke barrel.  Good luck!

[rakkin6]

2 3/4" 2 ounce of #9 at 40 yards. Mossberg 535 and .660 Indian Creek choke.

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[shatcher]

2 3/4" 2 ounce of #9 at 40 yards. Mossberg 535 and .660 Indian Creek choke. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220419/93ccf4f75eafa87e9c3eb54bf0a6b897.jpg[/im
Move that left and down just a c hair and you'll have it!

[runngun]

I can say this........The Apex 3 inch 12 gauge 2 ounce #9s, from a Benelli M2 are simply unreal. At 40 the pattern was so tight, I installed a Trijicon red dot.  Was way to many to try and count.

Have a good one
             Bo

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[Matt76cmich]

New 12ga 870, 26" barrel, Indian Creek .655, Wilson's Custom Loads 2 3/4" 2oz #9, at 40 yds

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[mountainhunter1]

New 12ga 870, 26" barrel, Indian Creek .655, Wilson's Custom Loads 2 3/4" 2oz #9, at 40 yds

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I like that pattern. You have a pretty solid coverage on both the left and right side of the target outside of the ten - but not much down below which will get into the breast meat. Our reloads are out of a 2 3/4 shell with 2 ounces of shot and we are happy with the results as well. You have a real nice pattern though - thanks for sharing.

[mountainhunter1]

Handloaded 2.75" 2 ounce load of 9's.
M2 21" barrel .655 Indian Creek.



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Wow, 620 in the full twenty inch circle is amazing. I'm still amazed at how TSS has changed the landscape. I am working up an additional 12 gauge back up gun and hope to get similar results to what you and the other gentleman are sharing here.

[lowoctane]

Handloaded 2.75" 2 ounce load of 9's.
M2 21" barrel .655 Indian Creek.



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Very impressive. How's the recoil with this load? 

[Glades]

Maybe somebody can explain to me how Apex's 2.75" 2oz #9 and 3.00" 2 oz #9 have the same advertised muzzle velocity (1200fps). I would have though carrying the same shot amount in a shorter shell would have taken a loss in muzzle velocity. Somebody care to explain?
Also, for someone that has shot both, is there a difference in recoil?

[BandedSpur]

Maybe somebody can explain to me how Apex's 2.75" 2oz #9 and 3.00" 2 oz #9 have the same advertised muzzle velocity (1200fps). I would have though carrying the same shot amount in a shorter shell would have taken a loss in muzzle velocity. Somebody care to explain?
Also, for someone that has shot both, is there a difference in recoil?

The SAAMI pressure limit is the same for 2.75 and 3" 12 ga loads. (It is significantly higher for the 3.5" gun). One could theoretically run the 3" load faster than in the 2.75" shell due to more room in the hull for cushioning, but there is no real advantage in doing so with TSS. I load all of my 12 ga TSS loads at 1100 fps, from 1.25 to 2 oz of shot. TSS 9s at 1100 fps have the pellet energy to kill way further than I will shoot, so stepping on the gas does nothing but add recoil and wear on the gun. Also, loads at 1100 fps are subsonic and should theoretically pattern better than faster loads. Whether that is true in practice is debatable.

Now if you were to compare a 3" 2.25 oz load to a 3.5" 2.25 oz load, you could certainly push the load faster in the 3.5" shell, because of the significantly higher allowable pressure - 14,000 psi for the 3.5" shell vs 11,500 for the 2.75 and 3" shells.

Recoil from a 2 oz load at 1100 fps from my 8.75 pound 1187 is not bad at all. But it would be pretty stout in a lightweight fixed breach gun.

[Glades]

Maybe somebody can explain to me how Apex's 2.75" 2oz #9 and 3.00" 2 oz #9 have the same advertised muzzle velocity (1200fps). I would have though carrying the same shot amount in a shorter shell would have taken a loss in muzzle velocity. Somebody care to explain?
Also, for someone that has shot both, is there a difference in recoil?

The SAAMI pressure limit is the same for 2.75 and 3" 12 ga loads. (It is significantly higher for the 3.5" gun). One could theoretically run the 3" load faster than in the 2.75" shell due to more room in the hull for cushioning, but there is no real advantage in doing so with TSS. I load all of my 12 ga TSS loads at 1100 fps, from 1.25 to 2 oz of shot. TSS 9s at 1100 fps have the pellet energy to kill way further than I will shoot, so stepping on the gas does nothing but add recoil and wear on the gun. Also, loads at 1100 fps are subsonic and should theoretically pattern better than faster loads. Whether that is true in practice is debatable.

Now if you were to compare a 3" 2.25 oz load to a 3.5" 2.25 oz load, you could certainly push the load faster in the 3.5" shell, because of the significantly higher allowable pressure - 14,000 psi for the 3.5" shell vs 11,500 for the 2.75 and 3" shells.

Recoil from a 2 oz load at 1100 fps from my 8.75 pound 1187 is not bad at all. But it would be pretty stout in a lightweight fixed breach gun.

So if you opened the Apex 2.75" shell and Apex 3" shell, what is the difference if there is the same amount of shot and powder? What is the advantage of going to the longer shell?

[kwild835]

Different components inside the shell can make the difference between being a 2.75" and 3' load.  They are going to recoil the same because the velocity and payload are similar.  I like the 2.75" version the best because they feed in all guns and performance/pattern is equal.

Awesome explanation from BandedSpur as usual.   

[kwild835]

Maybe somebody can explain to me how Apex's 2.75" 2oz #9 and 3.00" 2 oz #9 have the same advertised muzzle velocity (1200fps). I would have though carrying the same shot amount in a shorter shell would have taken a loss in muzzle velocity. Somebody care to explain?
Also, for someone that has shot both, is there a difference in recoil?

The SAAMI pressure limit is the same for 2.75 and 3" 12 ga loads. (It is significantly higher for the 3.5" gun). One could theoretically run the 3" load faster than in the 2.75" shell due to more room in the hull for cushioning, but there is no real advantage in doing so with TSS. I load all of my 12 ga TSS loads at 1100 fps, from 1.25 to 2 oz of shot. TSS 9s at 1100 fps have the pellet energy to kill way further than I will shoot, so stepping on the gas does nothing but add recoil and wear on the gun. Also, loads at 1100 fps are subsonic and should theoretically pattern better than faster loads. Whether that is true in practice is debatable.

Now if you were to compare a 3" 2.25 oz load to a 3.5" 2.25 oz load, you could certainly push the load faster in the 3.5" shell, because of the significantly higher allowable pressure - 14,000 psi for the 3.5" shell vs 11,500 for the 2.75 and 3" shells.

Recoil from a 2 oz load at 1100 fps from my 8.75 pound 1187 is not bad at all. But it would be pretty stout in a lightweight fixed breach gun.

So if you opened the Apex 2.75" shell and Apex 3" shell, what is the difference if there is the same amount of shot and powder? What is the advantage of going to the longer shell?

The powder could be different, the wads are probably different, the spacers/fillers will be different.  There is no advantage to longer shell, unless you go 3.5" and jack up the speed because you like recoil. The advantage goes to shorter chell because it will function in 2.75"-3.5" chambers.