With So Many Of Us Now- Should We Recruit Ever More Turkey Hunters?

[silvestris]

My kind of idiot.

[sasquatch1]

With habitat shrinking from never ending human expansion we don't need more ppl going after smaller resources.



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[turkey_slayer]

Maybe I am just an idiot, but could some of y'all explain to me why if we do not recruit more hunters into the sport, then that sport will die?

I wish more people would quit deer and turkey hunting. The way I see it is just like supply and demand.  The less competition for land and game will decrease the demand on land and in return lower prices on leases and increase the number of animals. It would go back to where the local farmers would say "Hell YES, kill every deer you see" instead of him now saying, I have it lease out for $20 an acre, but if you want to pay $25, then we can talk. I don't blame the farmer, but if the demand was not there, then the roles would be reversed and what has happened is the huge influx of hunters.

Everyone has been brainwashed by all these organizations to "bring in new hunters or the sport will die" but their real intention is to bring in new hunters to continue to fill their coffers and pay their salaries. Hunters are naive.

Just my .02 and remember, I clearly stated that I am an idiot.

100% my thoughts. I'd go back to the 80s and 90s in a heart beat

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[bigriverbum]

With habitat shrinking from never ending human expansion we don't need more ppl going after smaller resources.



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truth.

i'm a pessimist. it's a catch 22 situation. we need numbers to fight for our rights, but human nature is greedy. certain politicians will continue to be elected to a larger majority. hunting won't be allowed in a few generations. enjoy today. it's all we have

[bonasa]

    Up front, I  have nothing against New Turkey Hunters. But these days, I  am seeing so many more Spring Turkey Hunters afield here in New York State. Maybe the Southern  States have the same problem.
   No complaint  here- just an observation.  I know, I  will always get my 2 to 4 Spring Toms- but many others will compete with so many New Hunters afield.
   On Public, I  witness " Field Edge Sprinting" to close distance with a Vocal Gobbler. And these days, I  witness Guys walking full Blown in the middle of a Big Field at 45 minutes or even earlier  Before Sunrise.
   I know these are the newer Spring Hunters because a veteran will know that a Roosted Gobbler will " make Him" and drop down later possibly  without Gobbling and move back into the Wetlands.
   Again- just my observation on Public Lands.I can go to plan B- but plenty of other guys will have their hunt blown and probably  just remain at that Field edge and hope for the best later on.
    These Spring Days, I  am hoping to have a Gobbler that Gobbles just once or Twice.

Yes we need all the hunters we can introduce, old, young , veteran and novice. What if your mentor told you to go pound salt rather than call in that first longbeard for you? If you don't like crowds, don't hunt public. If you have good people skills, knock on doors and get permission. I have turkey hunted NY for almost 3 decades and a lot of it was on private land from the get-go. We have amassed many permissions over the years, some is practically public land, tons of gobblers but a lot of pressure. So....we move and find other properties that may have as many birds but, we always seem to tag out relatively quickly. If we don't, those properties with a lot of pressure become lessened as the season progresses and not on the weekends.

Lets not turn into those guys that say, " nobody saved me any buffalo, so as long as I get mine, forget everyone else."

[Sanders153]

    Up front, I  have nothing against New Turkey Hunters. But these days, I  am seeing so many more Spring Turkey Hunters afield here in New York State. Maybe the Southern  States have the same problem.
   No complaint  here- just an observation.  I know, I  will always get my 2 to 4 Spring Toms- but many others will compete with so many New Hunters afield.
   On Public, I  witness " Field Edge Sprinting" to close distance with a Vocal Gobbler. And these days, I  witness Guys walking full Blown in the middle of a Big Field at 45 minutes or even earlier  Before Sunrise.
   I know these are the newer Spring Hunters because a veteran will know that a Roosted Gobbler will " make Him" and drop down later possibly  without Gobbling and move back into the Wetlands.
   Again- just my observation on Public Lands.I can go to plan B- but plenty of other guys will have their hunt blown and probably  just remain at that Field edge and hope for the best later on.
    These Spring Days, I  am hoping to have a Gobbler that Gobbles just once or Twice.

Yes we need all the hunters we can introduce, old, young , veteran and novice. What if your mentor told you to go pound salt rather than call in that first longbeard for you? If you don't like crowds, don't hunt public. If you have good people skills, knock on doors and get permission. I have turkey hunted NY for almost 3 decades and a lot of it was on private land from the get-go. We have amassed many permissions over the years, some is practically public land, tons of gobblers but a lot of pressure. So....we move and find other properties that may have as many birds but, we always seem to tag out relatively quickly. If we don't, those properties with a lot of pressure become lessened as the season progresses and not on the weekends.

Lets not turn into those guys that say, " nobody saved me any buffalo, so as long as I get mine, forget everyone else."

[Sixes]

Yes we need all the hunters we can introduce, old, young , veteran and novice. What if your mentor told you to go pound salt rather than call in that first longbeard for you? If you don't like crowds, don't hunt public. If you have good people skills, knock on doors and get permission. I have turkey hunted NY for almost 3 decades and a lot of it was on private land from the get-go. We have amassed many permissions over the years, some is practically public land, tons of gobblers but a lot of pressure. So....we move and find other properties that may have as many birds but, we always seem to tag out relatively quickly. If we don't, those properties with a lot of pressure become lessened as the season progresses and not on the weekends.

Lets not turn into those guys that say, " nobody saved me any buffalo, so as long as I get mine, forget everyone else."

I see you mention that you hunt in NY and things must be totally different up there. Come to GA and knock on doors and see how much permission you obtain. It will be either zero or the land will overhunted as bad as some public areas.

Please explain to me why I need to be introducing competition into the sport? Also, I had no mentors, my Dad let me go from about 5 years old with a BB gun on my own around the yard to progressing through pellet guns, to .22s and shotguns on up to deer rifles. I lived in the woods and learned how to kill all kinds of animals on my own.

The easiest way to learn is to make mistakes.

[Sixes]

With habitat shrinking from never ending human expansion we don't need more ppl going after smaller resources.



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truth.

i'm a pessimist. it's a catch 22 situation. we need numbers to fight for our rights, but human nature is greedy. certain politicians will continue to be elected to a larger majority. hunting won't be allowed in a few generations. enjoy today. it's all we have

How exactly are we going to lose hunting in a few generations? I know my home state of Georgia enacted the Right to Hunt and Fish Amendment about 15 years ago that guarantees our rights as sportsmen.

Also, unless we fall under a true socialism in the next couple of decades, no one, let me say that again, NO ONE will stop me from hunting my own land.

[BigSlam51]

  I understand that the Amish are Master deer + Turkey hunters in parts of Pennsylvania. They pass the tradition  on  still.
  Wondering if anyone here are seeing a big decline in Turkey numbers in various PA Counties.

Master poachers maybe

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[sasquatch1]

With habitat shrinking from never ending human expansion we don't need more ppl going after smaller resources.



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truth.

i'm a pessimist. it's a catch 22 situation. we need numbers to fight for our rights, but human nature is greedy. certain politicians will continue to be elected to a larger majority. hunting won't be allowed in a few generations. enjoy today. it's all we have

How exactly are we going to lose hunting in a few generations? I know my home state of Georgia enacted the Right to Hunt and Fish Amendment about 15 years ago that guarantees our rights as sportsmen.

Also, unless we fall under a true socialism in the next couple of decades, no one, let me say that again, NO ONE will stop me from hunting my own land.

Idk but id assume if we do the detriment won't be from regulation. It'd be from there being nothing to hunt or limited tags due to a smaller resource. Basically a backdoor approach.

Shrinking habitat, more demand, more predators, less game animals etc etc can just long term lead to the supply and demand factor out pricing people or just make ppl lose interest. Also limits tags etc as the population can only support so much Hunting.

Won't be in my time but I can see it going there. Already started long ago

Think timber land, once was free to hunt now leases go up yearly


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