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Quote from: Dtrkyman on March 21, 2021, 09:14:39 AMI am also looking to load a lighter shell, I have the recipe just have not bought the components. I shoot Hal's big 20xl 1 5/8 and it is impressive. However you can only hit the bird with so many pellets so I am looking to lighten the load, he gave me an 1 1/4 load I believe.
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 20, 2021, 11:40:55 PMQuote from: BINK McCARTY on March 20, 2021, 04:24:10 AMQuote from: randywallace on March 19, 2021, 12:25:14 PMQuote from: mightyjoeyoung on March 19, 2021, 08:54:28 AMQuote from: mtns2hunt on March 16, 2021, 10:06:28 PMQuote from: randywallace on March 16, 2021, 11:48:44 AMQuote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PMI have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.Everyone has their own view of cost versus effectiveness. Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return when a much lower pellet count will more than suffice. After all we have been killing turkeys for years with lead shot. Today we have TSS and other heavier then lead options to hunt with which provide longer range, better patterns and penetration. Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with. But I like even patterns, good penetration but try to limit (excess shot) overkill. The obsession with super dense patterns that can blow a turkeys head off at thirty yards puzzles me (might be great in a shooting match). Currently I shoot 1 5/8 oz TSS and have never failed to kill my bird (when I do my part.) So I continue to wonder what the fascination with super dense patterns are when from my experience they do present as overkill. Just trying to understand others motivation and not trying to be critical.He kinda missed the point by a mile, didn't he? I didn't miss squat. He appears to be under the impression that I am paying more per shell to get a 2 oz load instead of the 1 5/8 load he uses. It is exactly what he said. "Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return"Fact is I am not paying more per shell than any 1 5/8 commercial load I have found. Factor in shipping and the Boss 2oz cost me less per shell than 1 5/8 oz loads from Apex, Foxtrot, Nitro, Pendleton, Federal or Burgess Creek. For that extra 3/8 oz, I get 130+ extra pellets for free. If picking pellets out of breasts was a terrible concern to me, I wouldn't be shooting 9 shot to begin with.I completely agree with you, the Boss Tom tungsten are, as you said , $45 + tax and shipping IS FREE when over $100 is spent (no hard to do) and you're gettin 2oz. of 9s compared to the normal 1 5/8 oz. .....don't see how that's a miss of any kind....ESPECIALLY WITH A FULL 2 OZ. !!!!!!!!Hopefully you will be able to continue geting your commercial shells for 45 + tax and shipping. The way prices fluxuate these days I would surely stock up if possible. 2 oz of #9 is a heavy load in my opinion but hey if you need it go for it. As previously stated "Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with." I do not purchase commercial TSS but handload my own and have been since before the commerical craze hit. I am always interested in what an individual is shooting and why. My turkeys fall dead when shot with 1 5/8 #9 as they do with #4 and soon to be tried #6. I am currently looking for an effective load with less shot maybe 1oz or 1.5. Your 2oz is going the other way I wonder why. Not knoking your pet load intentionally but just curious.
Quote from: BINK McCARTY on March 20, 2021, 04:24:10 AMQuote from: randywallace on March 19, 2021, 12:25:14 PMQuote from: mightyjoeyoung on March 19, 2021, 08:54:28 AMQuote from: mtns2hunt on March 16, 2021, 10:06:28 PMQuote from: randywallace on March 16, 2021, 11:48:44 AMQuote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PMI have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.Everyone has their own view of cost versus effectiveness. Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return when a much lower pellet count will more than suffice. After all we have been killing turkeys for years with lead shot. Today we have TSS and other heavier then lead options to hunt with which provide longer range, better patterns and penetration. Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with. But I like even patterns, good penetration but try to limit (excess shot) overkill. The obsession with super dense patterns that can blow a turkeys head off at thirty yards puzzles me (might be great in a shooting match). Currently I shoot 1 5/8 oz TSS and have never failed to kill my bird (when I do my part.) So I continue to wonder what the fascination with super dense patterns are when from my experience they do present as overkill. Just trying to understand others motivation and not trying to be critical.He kinda missed the point by a mile, didn't he? I didn't miss squat. He appears to be under the impression that I am paying more per shell to get a 2 oz load instead of the 1 5/8 load he uses. It is exactly what he said. "Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return"Fact is I am not paying more per shell than any 1 5/8 commercial load I have found. Factor in shipping and the Boss 2oz cost me less per shell than 1 5/8 oz loads from Apex, Foxtrot, Nitro, Pendleton, Federal or Burgess Creek. For that extra 3/8 oz, I get 130+ extra pellets for free. If picking pellets out of breasts was a terrible concern to me, I wouldn't be shooting 9 shot to begin with.I completely agree with you, the Boss Tom tungsten are, as you said , $45 + tax and shipping IS FREE when over $100 is spent (no hard to do) and you're gettin 2oz. of 9s compared to the normal 1 5/8 oz. .....don't see how that's a miss of any kind....ESPECIALLY WITH A FULL 2 OZ. !!!!!!!!
Quote from: randywallace on March 19, 2021, 12:25:14 PMQuote from: mightyjoeyoung on March 19, 2021, 08:54:28 AMQuote from: mtns2hunt on March 16, 2021, 10:06:28 PMQuote from: randywallace on March 16, 2021, 11:48:44 AMQuote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PMI have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.Everyone has their own view of cost versus effectiveness. Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return when a much lower pellet count will more than suffice. After all we have been killing turkeys for years with lead shot. Today we have TSS and other heavier then lead options to hunt with which provide longer range, better patterns and penetration. Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with. But I like even patterns, good penetration but try to limit (excess shot) overkill. The obsession with super dense patterns that can blow a turkeys head off at thirty yards puzzles me (might be great in a shooting match). Currently I shoot 1 5/8 oz TSS and have never failed to kill my bird (when I do my part.) So I continue to wonder what the fascination with super dense patterns are when from my experience they do present as overkill. Just trying to understand others motivation and not trying to be critical.He kinda missed the point by a mile, didn't he? I didn't miss squat. He appears to be under the impression that I am paying more per shell to get a 2 oz load instead of the 1 5/8 load he uses. It is exactly what he said. "Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return"Fact is I am not paying more per shell than any 1 5/8 commercial load I have found. Factor in shipping and the Boss 2oz cost me less per shell than 1 5/8 oz loads from Apex, Foxtrot, Nitro, Pendleton, Federal or Burgess Creek. For that extra 3/8 oz, I get 130+ extra pellets for free. If picking pellets out of breasts was a terrible concern to me, I wouldn't be shooting 9 shot to begin with.
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on March 19, 2021, 08:54:28 AMQuote from: mtns2hunt on March 16, 2021, 10:06:28 PMQuote from: randywallace on March 16, 2021, 11:48:44 AMQuote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PMI have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.Everyone has their own view of cost versus effectiveness. Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return when a much lower pellet count will more than suffice. After all we have been killing turkeys for years with lead shot. Today we have TSS and other heavier then lead options to hunt with which provide longer range, better patterns and penetration. Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with. But I like even patterns, good penetration but try to limit (excess shot) overkill. The obsession with super dense patterns that can blow a turkeys head off at thirty yards puzzles me (might be great in a shooting match). Currently I shoot 1 5/8 oz TSS and have never failed to kill my bird (when I do my part.) So I continue to wonder what the fascination with super dense patterns are when from my experience they do present as overkill. Just trying to understand others motivation and not trying to be critical.He kinda missed the point by a mile, didn't he?
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 16, 2021, 10:06:28 PMQuote from: randywallace on March 16, 2021, 11:48:44 AMQuote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PMI have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.Everyone has their own view of cost versus effectiveness. Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return when a much lower pellet count will more than suffice. After all we have been killing turkeys for years with lead shot. Today we have TSS and other heavier then lead options to hunt with which provide longer range, better patterns and penetration. Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with. But I like even patterns, good penetration but try to limit (excess shot) overkill. The obsession with super dense patterns that can blow a turkeys head off at thirty yards puzzles me (might be great in a shooting match). Currently I shoot 1 5/8 oz TSS and have never failed to kill my bird (when I do my part.) So I continue to wonder what the fascination with super dense patterns are when from my experience they do present as overkill. Just trying to understand others motivation and not trying to be critical.
Quote from: randywallace on March 16, 2021, 11:48:44 AMQuote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PMI have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PMI have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.
