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Started by shaman, January 14, 2021, 10:14:43 AM
Quote from: GobbleNut on January 14, 2021, 11:33:39 AMInteresting read, Shaman. I agree more with some of your comments,...and less with others. Again, as I have stated many times in the past, we all hunt under different circumstances and it is only reasonable to tailor our thoughts and positions on these matters based on where and how we hunt. On this particular subject of guns, ammo, and such, my only real position is every hunter, new or old, has the responsibility to "know their weapon" and its capabilities and then have the self-discipline to stay within those limitations. Hunters also need to know their own personal limitations regarding such things as eyesight, as well, and as you point out, adjust their provisions for that, as needed.Choices of guns, ammo, and the assorted accessories ultimately comes down to personal choices based on the understanding that we owe this bird we cherish the respect of dispatching him cleanly and completely when we pull the trigger. The more limitations we put on ourselves in terms of the weapon and ammo choice, the more we need to understand that each deduction in killing ability needs to have a corresponding acceptance of a deduction in effective killing range. As I see it, one of the ethical problems we face in the hunting community are the hunters that are content with shooting a gun and load that have an effective killing range of, say, 30 yards,...but don't have the self discipline not to shoot at a gobbler at 40 or 50 yards. Of course, that same argument can be made about the guy that shoots a gun and load that will honestly kill a gobbler at 50 yards that then chooses to shoot at a turkey at 60 or 70 yards. From a personal perspective, I have witnessed more of the former than I have the latter, but neither of them is acceptable to the ethical turkey hunter. I agree
Quote from: shaman on January 14, 2021, 02:01:33 PMI've got a fair idea of what he's already got in his safe. Honestly, if he brought a 2 3/4" 12 GA, I'd be satisfied. I don't want to see him spending gobs of money of shotguns and money on ammo his first time out. Lead is fine for what we do at the farm. I did a story years ago where I asked everyone to write down all their past shot attempts and then figure out the range diameter where 80% of those shots had been taken. I figured that was their comfort range. I included missed shots, because they were willing to take the shot. Folks grumbled. Guys responded that I had no business telling them how far to shoot. My answer was: look, you're the one taking the shots. I'm just trying to say you may be over-gunning the problem. A 3.5" 12 GA with a superfull choke and $8 loads may be bit more than you need if all your turkeys are being taken at 20 yards. Also if FNG decides to buy a dedicated shotgun, I can help him put together a dandy pump that shoots decent patterns on the cheap. My turkey shotgun for the past 25 years came out of the scratch and dent bin.I'd always figured that I had a comfort range of 25 yards or thereabouts. It turned out it was 17.5 yards. Yes there were flyers. I'd taken a shot or two that was too far out (misjudged the range), but even with those thrown in, I was under 20 yards. I freely admit, I've missed more inside 15 yards than beyond 40. I actually have an 80 yarder, but it was a case of horribly misjudged distance and I had to engage in mortal hand-to-hand combat to close the deal. Let me tell you, it's a fairly even match once they knock you off your feet-- won't be trying that again soon.If he shows up with a reasonable rig, I can call a turkey in for him and he can have his chance at a shot.
Quote from: Paulmyr on March 12, 2021, 02:15:14 AMGreat write up. The only area I think I disagree with you is your premise that shooting a bead is like making a calculated guess. If time is taken and the bead is properly aligned on the rib (not sure how many guns made these days are with out a ventilated rib) just like you would lining up sights they are just as accurate.I think the excitement factor may come into play and not aligning the bead/beads or sights causing shots to go awry. Easier to overcome the excitement with sights, possibly.I have no experience with optics so can't say much about them.
Quote from: shaman on March 25, 2021, 08:29:01 AMQuote from: Paulmyr on March 12, 2021, 02:15:14 AMGreat write up. The only area I think I disagree with you is your premise that shooting a bead is like making a calculated guess. If time is taken and the bead is properly aligned on the rib (not sure how many guns made these days are with out a ventilated rib) just like you would lining up sights they are just as accurate.I think the excitement factor may come into play and not aligning the bead/beads or sights causing shots to go awry. Easier to overcome the excitement with sights, possibly.I have no experience with optics so can't say much about them.I started out with a trap gun with a vent rib and beads. By the time I put a scope on shotgun, my eyes had deteriorated to the point where I just could not see the beads anymore. As I've aged, that part of my eyesight has come back somewhat. If I remember correctly, I didn't suggest the scope was the best way to go, just the way I'd chosen. My reason for calling beads a calculated guess is that you need some experience with the shotgun to know how the odd changes in mounting are going to play into POA vs. POI. Ribs and beads were meant for wingshooting originally, and their effectiveness is based on practicing so that you mount the gun same way every time. That does not always happen in turkey hunting.At last I heard, FNG had picked a 20 GA pump with a rib. Go figure. I'm sure he'll do well.